Too close for comfort? the revival?

[Despatche]

Which video is that? Neither of those are p1pkin's.

[z0mbie90]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_YiB5TCtw
The first video of gameplay without sound emulated.

[Skykid]

Which video is that? It's not any of the ones uploaded here.

Certainly is:

Mushihimesama Futari:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Pwu2RGwNs

Whoops, and another!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_YiB5TCtw
The first video of gameplay without sound emulated.

[z0mbie90]

I saw a list on Demuls forum on games and saw Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu.
Is all new CAVE games emulateble? But I can see a future with CAVE skip the Arcade World and move to Console World instead.

[Kaiser]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K_YiB5TCtw
The first video of gameplay without sound emulated.

Movie already removed by Cave.

[z0mbie90]

What I ment was that it was the first video and it was that video and two more CAVE took down.
I maybe write it a little weird I see how the post look, but not so go at spelling

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

I saw a list on Demuls forum on games and saw Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu.
Is all new CAVE games emulateble? But I can see a future with CAVE skip the Arcade World and move to Console World instead.

I haven't seen anything about Daifukkatsu other than a bunch of rom begs. They would probably be kiddie bragging with a video if it was dumped.

Cave's console games get warezed the day they are released. I don't own a 360 but I've seen them.

[z0mbie90]

I saw a list on Demuls forum on games and saw Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu.
Is all new CAVE games emulateble? But I can see a future with CAVE skip the Arcade World and move to Console World instead.

I haven't seen anything about Daifukkatsu other than a bunch of rom begs. They would probably be kiddie bragging with a video if it was dumped.

Cave's console games get warezed the day they are released. I don't own a 360 but I've seen them.

I don't think it's dumped but if I understand correct they can emulate it if it get dumped. And your right with CAVE's ports are warezed but I think people find it harder to Mod/flash their console than download a rom and start playing, more that what was thinking about. But I can be wrong

[Muchi Muchi Spork]

I saw a list on Demuls forum on games and saw Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu.
Is all new CAVE games emulateble? But I can see a future with CAVE skip the Arcade World and move to Console World instead.

I haven't seen anything about Daifukkatsu other than a bunch of rom begs. They would probably be kiddie bragging with a video if it was dumped.

Cave's console games get warezed the day they are released. I don't own a 360 but I've seen them.

I don't think it's dumped but if I understand correct they can emulate it if it get dumped. And your right with CAVE's ports are warezed but I think people find it harder to Mod/flash their console than download a rom and start playing, more that what was thinking about. But I can be wrong

That's correct from what I can tell, but I don't pay much attention to that scene. I asked a friend about it, he said you would also lose the ability to use online stuff. Obviously lots of people still do it but it's hard to put a number on I guess. Anything on the 3rd generation hardware could be added to demul without much trouble at this point I'm sure. There doesn't seem to be much changed from the 1000-B to 1000-D.

[BPzeBanshee]

I haven't seen anything about Daifukkatsu other than a bunch of rom begs. They would probably be kiddie bragging with a video if it was dumped.

Cave's console games get warezed the day they are released. I don't own a 360 but I've seen them.

I don't think it's dumped but if I understand correct they can emulate it if it get dumped. And your right with CAVE's ports are warezed but I think people find it harder to Mod/flash their console than download a rom and start playing, more that what was thinking about. But I can be wrong

That's correct from what I can tell, but I don't pay much attention to that scene. I asked a friend about it, he said you would also lose the ability to use online stuff. Obviously lots of people still do it but it's hard to put a number on I guess. Anything on the 3rd generation hardware could be added to demul without much trouble at this point I'm sure. There doesn't seem to be much changed from the 1000-B to 1000-D.

When it comes to the Xbox 360, all retail games, not just CAVE, are warezed on the first day if not earlier in some cases.

It's harder to do than to buy the damn game, otherwise I'd probably would've started by now since I dont do online multiplayer anyway. From my understanding of the scene as soon as you JTAG (or anything else) with your 360 to give it homebrew support Microsoft will ban you as soon as they detect you on XBOX Live. This is only the impression I get from it - certainly doesn't happen with Wii Homebrew and the actual apps you can use are far better ignoring SDL MAME Wii which sucks balls compared to the console ports of FBANext.

In some places its easier to hack your 360 and install homebrew/pirate games and crap than to buy the games through its proper channels (Kaiser was telling me the other day that they have something shocking like 10 XBLA games in their region) but then most people would just get a PS3 in that case. \

[TrevHead (TVR)]

In some places its easier to hack your 360 and install homebrew/pirate games and crap than to buy the games through its proper channels (Kaiser was telling me the other day that they have something shocking like 10 XBLA games in their region) but then most people would just get a PS3 in that case. \

Ive heard the same, including the price of the legit games in some places been way too high, Its a similar thing for PC games aswell. Thats why I never pay heed to piracy statistics as Ive no idea what percentage of torrents are from ppl who live in piracy rife countries

[Ex-Cyber]

Thats why I never pay heed to piracy statistics as Ive no idea what percentage of torrents are from ppl who live in piracy rife countries

Better reasons to pay them no heed include:

1) the methodology and data are typically considered trade secrets, and
2) the studies are typically funded by people who want to be able to claim that their industry (and the economy, because money not spent on software clearly just disappears) is losing billions of dollars to the evil pirates.

[bcass]

It's harder to do than to buy the damn game, otherwise I'd probably would've started by now since I dont do online multiplayer anyway.

You lose all the features of Live if you JTAG, not just online multiplayer. You lose all Leaderboard functionality, which is the main draw of Live for shmup players, not online play.

[BPzeBanshee]

It's harder to do than to buy the damn game, otherwise I'd probably would've started by now since I dont do online multiplayer anyway.

You lose all the features of Live if you JTAG, not just online multiplayer. You lose all Leaderboard functionality, which is the main draw of Live for shmup players, not online play.

That sucks, I kinda knew that anyway (pointing out online multiplayer cause thats what LIVE Gold is for more than anything else) but thanks for setting it straight.

Is it the JTAGging itself that cuts the features of Live or does MS scan you and ban you like I've heard some people claim?

[bcass]

That sucks, I kinda knew that anyway (pointing out online multiplayer cause thats what LIVE Gold is for more than anything else) but thanks for setting it straight.

Just one thing, you only need a Gold sub to play online co-op, you can just use the free Live service for Leaderboards and other such features like uploadable/downloadable replays.

Is it the JTAGging itself that cuts the features of Live or does MS scan you and ban you like I've heard some people claim?

It's Microsoft who ban your console from connecting to Live once they detect your console is moded.

[burgerkingdiamond]

so you lose LIVE if you JTAG.. Big Deal. Getting my JTAG was probably the best purchase I've ever made.

[bcass]

Big Deal.

To many, Live is a big deal. I mean the free service too, not gold. I honestly couldn't imagine going back to a console without all the community features that (free) Live offers. Playing on the Wii feels like such a solitary experience in comparison, which is probably why it never gets used.

[Sumez]

I don't know if paying for a mod that allows you to pirate software counts as a proper "purchase".

[Ex-Cyber]

I don't know if paying for a mod that allows you to pirate software counts as a proper "purchase".

The JTAG mod is basically a jailbreak. It can be used for warez, but that's not the only thing it's good for. People who only want warez have less invasive options.

[Sumez]

Hmm, what interesting uses are there, that don't involve warez?

[bcass]

Homebrew isn't especially evolved on the 360 is it? I can't imagine there being much use in a JTAG apart from piracy.

[burgerkingdiamond]

Homebrew isn't especially evolved on the 360 is it? I can't imagine there being much use in a JTAG apart from piracy.

yeah, not a lot of homebrew that I know about. There's FinalBurnAlpha which is like MAME. It's pretty cool if you have it set up in a cab, except that it feels laggy as hell so I never use it.

One of the main advantages of a JTAG is that you can store games on a HDD. That can include downloaded games, or you can even rip a game from an actual retail disc to the HDD. So you can have your whole library of games right there. It's really nice for me cause I have the 360 in my cab, and I don't have to open it up to swap discs out.

The other major advantage is the ability to play games from japan that aren't region free.

[Ex-Cyber]

Hmm, what interesting uses are there, that don't involve warez?

That depends on one's interests. Some people really like to run code on strange hardware. Some people want a single console instead of one for each region. Some people object to MS controlling their console as a matter of principle and will do the JTAG mod just to spite them.

Homebrew isn't especially evolved on the 360 is it?

It's not especially evolved, but it exists. As you might expect, it's mostly emulators, though IIRC there are a couple dashboard replacements and a handful of game ports.

I can't imagine there being much use in a JTAG apart from piracy.

It could enable something like XBMC, though ISTR that the XBMC guys said that they're not interested in doing a 360 port. I guess it also wouldn't be a unique option in the way that XBMC was back in the day, since it's now quite feasible to build a small/cheap/quiet HTPC with halfway decent performance without esoteric hardware/mods.

[bcass]

Let's not be under any illusion here. People acquire JTAGs primarily to circumvent having to pay for software. Personally, I couldn't care less about piracy, but let's not kid ourselves regarding the true purpose of this particular mod. Also, my question about homebrew was rhetorical. I know full well that there is practically nothing of any meaningful use for JTAG homebrew. There are a couple of (not particularly good) emulators, and that's pretty much your lot. The 360 homebrew scene is pretty much dead.

[Ex-Cyber]

Let's not be under any illusion here. People acquire JTAGs primarily to circumvent having to pay for software. Personally, I couldn't care less about piracy, but let's not kid ourselves regarding the true purpose of this particular mod.

There is no one "true purpose", because the purpose varies with the intent of each user. The JTAG mod is neither the only way nor necessarily the best way to avoid paying for 360 software. Of course, plenty of people use it for warez. My point is that there are other uses for the JTAG mod, and the fact that you personally don't find such uses "meaningful" is irrelevant to whether the JTAG mod is legitimate in general.

[bcass]

The JTAG mod is neither the only way nor necessarily the best way to avoid paying for 360 software.

Actually, with regards to XBLA games, it's the only way to avoid paying for software.

There is no one "true purpose", because the purpose varies with the intent of each user.

99.99% = piracy
0.01% = a couple of geeks who tinker with the hardware, and even they most likely use it to play copies.

[Fudoh]

I got myself a JTAG early last year to play After Burner Climax two months early. After that I pretty fast realized that I only played the games I bought anyway, so I sold the JTAG again, bought ABC for my japanase non-JTAG 360 and live happily ever since

[yosai]

Actually, with regards to XBLA games, it's the only way to avoid paying for software.

Not true. Any 360 can play XBLA warez. Do a Google search for "XBLA NO JTAG" for examples.

[supergrafx77]

Actually, with regards to XBLA games, it's the only way to avoid paying for software.

Not true. Any 360 can play XBLA warez. Do a Google search for "XBLA NO JTAG" for examples.

I just did the google search and there were two posts from separate sources that said roughly in the last 24 hours a microsoft 360 system update has made this loophole nonexistent from here on out. Too bad, didn't even get to try it out...

[Ex-Cyber]

There is no one "true purpose", because the purpose varies with the intent of each user.

99.99% = piracy
0.01% = a couple of geeks who tinker with the hardware, and even they most likely use it to play copies.

Okay, I understand. The JTAG mod can't ever be used for anything legimiate, ever, and if it is it doesn't count because even legit users are also "most likely" warez monkeys. Heads you win, tails I lose.

I'm so glad we had this discussion.