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Re: Dark Souls- "Spiritual Successor to Demon's Souls"

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Elixir wrote:The problem is that there's many unwritten rules about the PVP in this game. 4-1 is the most common pvp arena, with 1-3 being the next common. Of course, you're not going to have people invade in 5-3 for respectable battles and it's pretty obvious if someone wants to 1v1 due to bowing. Nobody will use 1-1 of NG+ for PVP either.

4-1 is mostly the game's pvp arena though. Japanese (and most people on Asian servers) bow before battle, and don't firestorm or attack while you're loading. Of course there's still players who do that, it just happens far less on the Asian servers.
Interesting, I never knew the asian servers were like that. There are indeed no honorable fights in the US servers and I learned to play dirty because of them. I had no problem invading someone's world and using the local enemies to ambush the player, for example. It was damn effective.

Oh, and scraping spear is the ultimate troll weapon. Thankfully no one ever used it on me.
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CMoon wrote:Most of what made DS hard was not understanding the game mechanics nor how to build a character. I ended up cheating and read an FAQ on making an optimal build, and suddenly the game was easy. Of course, before any of you criticize me of cheating, I had put about 60 agonizing, frustrating hours into the game before using the FAQ.
True, a guide is very useful in that game, there's no way anyone can be expected to understand all those numbers from day one. :)
It's a bit of a waste thinking you can just increase your strength to do more damage with a sword, when the sword you're using is drawing on completely different stats.
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Or for example gaining SL in Str & End so you can equip a full suit of brushwood, a great axe and a large shield. only to find that tanking via armour is probably the most retarded thing to do in this game because the resists you get from it is minimal compared to the usefulness of actually being fast an manueverable.
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However, being fully maneuverable in a brushwood armor isn't too bad :)
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The problem with Scraping Spear is that it's the Cleglaw's Gloves of Demon's Souls. The spear itself is terrible but people can just toggle between it and their real weapons.

Yes, stripping your enemy of their primary weapon and switching to your own primary weapon is totally fair.
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Pre-ordered Dark Souls from Amazon. Comes with a guidebook, OST and a making of DVD. I should be able to at least get to NG+ of Demons Souls before release (just the last few levels of shrine of storms to do)
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The Japanese box art is pretty cool. Have they finalized the US/PAL box art yet?
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LtC wrote:The Japanese box art is pretty cool. Have they finalized the US/PAL box art yet?
The PAL box art was actually revealed first.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/608635- ... box-210057

Still hoping for a Japanese 360 release, or at least being region-free.
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Well, there's been some new footage of this thing shown at TGS.

Here's a nifty one, showing you fighting the "Asylum Demon". oooh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdX8xG1x ... re=related

So, you guys excited? What are your expectations? Since, it's the only real new game I'll be getting this Fall(unless I get Last Guardian), I'm hoping it's better than the first. Nothing against the first, but I don't want it to be a step down. I mean, it's the only new game I'm getting!
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Very excited. Have it reserved through gamestop. Normally just do Amazon, but this is a first day kinda thing.
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Can't express my excitement enough. I finally acquired my platinum, but I still have the urge to play. I'm resisting since I'll never get through any other games if I'm forever consumed by this, but.. I still want to play.

So I have to wonder, when will Demon's Souls' servers close? I'm beginning to think they won't.. or at least, the JP servers won't. I was still able to find a fair number of blue signs, obviously 4-1 and 1-3, but things like signs in front of Flamelurker were simply absent.
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I'm very excited for this as well; I'm about to do a few more runs of Demon's Souls in anticipation.

I haven't seen much gameplay footage, or even read about many of the new features, so I'll be going into this somewhat blind. Can't wait to see what they have in store.
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I went into Demon's Souls completely blind, and that's how I like it. I'm trying to avoid seeing any more footage until the release.
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Stupid question, is it will still worth hunting for Demons Souls? I do not intend to play online, just offline, still worth it?
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You post seems to imply that you don't know how the game's online works. Basically you're online while playing it singleplayer, and certain online elements integrates into your single player experience.
There's no direct interaction with other players unless you get invaded or invade/summon other players. (something that usually won't happen until New Game+ anyway)

You can play the game offline just fine, though. It's still just as great.
And yeah, dig it up now! No one should miss out on Demon's Souls! Dark Souls is a follow-up, not a replacement to the previous title.
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I think Demon's Souls is better played online, just because you're helping others to help yourself. Their part is in helping you progress, your part is in helping them reclaim their bodies.

Unless you're duping or constantly in soul form, I'd recommend summoning blues whenever possible. It isn't possible until you've taken down Phalanx in 1-1 and obtained the blue sign from the Maiden, though.
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I prefer to play the game in soul form. You have less HP and can't summon help, but you won't have to worry about invasions and, more importantly, your death won't increase the difficulty. The extra HP is NOT worth the risk of dying and making the level harder. Only stay alive if you really know what you're doing.

Also, by playing alone you learn how to manage every part of the game by yourself. Many players out there are helpless by themselves and absolutely need to summon other players to beat bosses for them. Especially Maneater and False King.
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Also looking forward to this.. never played Demon's Souls but it sounds like something I might enjoy a lot.

Anyone else from here getting the 360 version? I'm guessing there won't be seperate NA/PAL servers because of XBL and no jp release.
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Im getting the 360 version as I dont have a PS3, I just hope the 360 port is as good as the PS3 version.

Im unsure as to how the game will play offline as I dont have a gold account, It might be the game that forces me to upgrade my account
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I'm getting it on the 360 too. I think I read that the servers will be global this time, but I'm not completely sure.

FYI, it was kind of a pain to coordinate co-op sessions with specific people in Demon's Souls. You couldn't invite other players to your game or anything like that - they had to drop a "soul sign" at the start of a stage, and then you could summon them into your world for help after you found their message. And there was no voice communication either. I'm not sure what they've changed for Dark Souls, but I'd bet it'll be somewhat similar.
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I think that was the whole point. They didn't want 'just another co-op game'. They wanted a really alien experience, where on-line didn't eliminate the idea of isolation.

I'm sure I've thought this a million times so might as well state it firmly here: If you're looking for online play with your friends, this is not the right game for you. In a lot of ways, online gameplay is just a way of making 1 player mode more random.
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iconoclast wrote:And there was no voice communication either.
Good, the gestures existed for a reason. This would have caused problems in the original game, hopefully it doesn't exist in Dark Souls either.
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Yeah, I agree with both of you. I just mentioned that so people who are unfamiliar with Demon's Souls will be aware of some of its quirks. Its online experience is one of a kind, and I wouldn't have it any other way. :P
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I went to Gamefest today and managed to play Dark souls briefly and I must say I'm impressed the game seems visually stunning but at the same time pretty hard I kept dieing trying to kill this bull beast...I just wish I had more time on it.
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Anyone here afraid they are going to make this TOO hard? The "prepare to die" stuff is getting a little much. I died enough in Demon's Souls!
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It's just a marketing gimmick. Dark Souls will be trial and error, just like the first game.
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Has anyone on the internets got hold of a Japanese copy of this yet?
Was wondering if it had English text?
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Demon's Souls did. Pretty bad English though.

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Demon's Souls didn't. And to answer your question, neither does Dark Souls.

Here's a screenshot of the Japanese version.

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Thought as much, thanks for confirming.
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