Pink Sweets & Muchi Muchi Pork bundle - Xbox 360!!!!!

[Skykid]

It's scoring system is relatively easy to get a grasp of and the difficulty is quite low compared to other Cave games.

Not if you learn to score dan. Do that and see what the game does to you. First though, enjoy not learning to score - I had a lot of fun with pork when I had no idea what I was doing. Soon as you learn to score properly in stage 1, it's impossible to ignore and then it's milk and suicide business.

[charlie chong]

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WIMP

[charlie chong]

ALSO WATCH MY REPLAY WHERE I NO MISS TO JUST BEFORE THE MIDBOZZ ON LEVEL 3.SUICIDE MY 5TH LIFE AND THEN COMPLETELY FAIL TO GET THE 1 UP AND LOSE 2 LIFES
My run after that was even dumber.i managed to come out of the midboss with the 5 lifes but forgot to suicide before 40 million so the rank went mental on level 4.solid lines of fire from the windmills lol

[Skykid]

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WIMP

Lol, what?

[Strider77]

These ports sound busted and the lack of HD doesn't really go along way to helping the package's image either. Think I'll be hanging on to my MMP PCB for sure now. Still it's fun to play with the bonus modes.

[exquisite_torture]

Yeah, but you GET 2 GAMES for £50. Cave really know how to spoil us.

[bcass]

so is the DLC card only included with the limited edition run?

I got one with the regular edition.

Everybody got one with the regular edition. It comes with all first prints (LE & SE).

[Axelayer]

sorry but Cave is some sort of ridiculous...First they come,doing two Games regionfree,saying "this will be the last one"..then they rush out the ports like there is no tomorrow...they saying "we can port everything to xbox in 3 days woohoo"(yeah guys,but the ports also look like there were only 3 days of work done..)

they bring a totally amateurish xbox live port aka guwange..(and why the F Guwange,sure decent style but the gameplay is rather boring..wanna see Mushi 1 in HD,Espgaluda 1 HD,you know my eyes are old i cant see where i have to dodge when its graphics are some sort of clumped out,its a pain for the eyes these days,it IS behind the moon to not port all those games in HD..cool its original for the nostalgic flash but in 2011 i just want these games in HD..you know radiant silvergun is coming and guess what:its in HD,what a surprise ) they`ve done this to "test how well its gonna sell",couldnt help but laugh about this..

sorry dudes,when you present the game like its 1997,no one will gather attention and why the fuck was it missing proper 4:3 options at first? Where is the Problem to do this in HD and take 1200 bill gates points for it..it was a port thats just nonsense-no one can tell why they have done it this way ,only the "genius" minds at cave...only die hard fans can actually really "enjoy this",is it too hard to do this in HD? i think nope..then they see they dont sell enough games in japan after they pushed BOTH daifukkatsu versions regionlocked(in wise forseeing that some western publisher will pick it up,aka dollarsigns in their eyes,same with akai katana)

and 3weeks later they come with some sort of completely fucked up double pack without hd graphics to make it REGIONFREE again-and nowhere i´ll spend my money on this,maybe when this doublepack is around 30dollar i´ll get it,now it will cost me around 120euro with shipping and custom fees,sorry,so much money for some sort of rushed out garbage?

i`m a patient guy you now,but at this time i do not trust Cave anymore,for me there is only one thing what counts for them:money,money,money,that wont be a problem as every company is money orientared but i see thats just bad work done,its like they dont even try do make it great-see those ridiculous DLC,totally overpriced just to milk the cow and because they know there are die hard fans outthere who will pickup everything that comes from them..i love the games but there is really NO consistency in their releases! see Espgaluda 2-that was a release just WOW,with black label and what the heck special modes,regionfree,hd,no effing DLC,perfect...and now its getting worser and worser,i looked so much forward to this package but its rather ridiculous how they act,for me it seems their main game are their silly festivals where they can sell some deathsmiles puppets to their die hard otakus and those "wonderful" iPhone ports of existing games..sorry they are milking the fanbase,not cool..and look at those coming "instant brain" and "nin nin" games,who really wants this...

NO way im gonna support the actual release of MMP/PS-ill wait for the unevitable price drop,gonna play my espgaluda 2 or fire up MAME and enjoy me some guwange with scanlines,even that seems to complicated for the Cave crew..

i think they should give everything in the hands of M2,as nice as the esp2 package was,mushi stands far out with its bombastic option menu,make all releases regionfree,instead of seeing some money at the end of the corridor...that would be REAL fansupport..they should stay away from porting to xbox360,honestly.dont get me wrong,cave games are for me the greatest shmups but this is a behaviour,they should get bombed now with angry emails imho...

[chempop]

I agree about the ridiculousness of how they are pumping these out with no consistency, it is frustrating that there isn't a standard interface for menus and that methods vary so much keeping us guessing at how games will look on our displays. But it certainly wouldn't detract me from buying one of their games.

What I always remind myself is that most of the ports cost 1/20 of the PCB price. MMP/PS is a two for one, so that like paying only 2.5% of the total original price.... So should I really expect it to be perfect? Hell no, in fact it is probably in CAVE's best interest NOT to make these games PCB perfect.

We should probably have a split topic for "CAVE's PCB => PORTS (accuracy and differences AKA SAME-SAME BUT DIFFERENT!)"

[Axelayer]

yeah i can totally understand your opinion on this,with "hey its a little the PCB costs,so we should be all thankful" but i just have a problem with this...for me its still expensive to spend 120euro just for two ports which are just not done right..

seems they cant think themselves into their fans minds..its 2011,they SHOULD know that there a people who are running a cab with a hooked up xbox,so why they are leaving the attract mode out,why those weird screen options?

They simply should bring the best of both worlds:the best for the arcade crowd with cabs AND the best for the rest who arent "die hard" fans or simply people who know the games but are beyond their 30ties now and would sit there with smile in their face(HD mode),instead smiling its all leaving a bitter taste..ah i forgot this genius matsuri version DLC which can only be activated on a JPN xbox account-another masterpiece when you do a regionfree release-what are they smoking?

also with this regionfree back and beyond,yeah cool now there is a PAL Deathsmiles,honestly,i dont think the money that they have with the PAL version is more than the money they could already have since TWO YEARS if this game were region free from the beginning.who gives a F about the localized story and some burned cd with non sense on it,that deluxe edition started here in germany at release day for 39euros,one week later you can have it for 28euros..i bet these are sold for 20euro in one month,even its a hori shooter,there are simply not enough people for those games,maybe some manga freaks might pick it up just for looks but i see no big sales on this..but thats another topic

(although im upset,was really looking forward for a Daifukkatsu 1.5/BL doublepack REGIONFREE,instead they are bringing 2 absolute niche games in a niche genre badly ported regionfree..cool promotion..but there is hope! maybe 2013 rising stars games have a localized version ready with both of em on one disc for 40euro,but shit,2012 is the end of the world,so im not gonna enjoy this before we are all doomed-sorry for the irony,but should i go and buy me some JPN xbox for this FRIGGIN ONE GAME? HELL-NO! there was a time in the 90ties where i have imported a neo geo MVS while everyone was sitting there, playing super nintendo,those times are simply over for me..)

actually my opinion is:dont buy this package,even if your finger is on the trigger to order that bunch of BS..write some "nice" email to them,they should feel that this is not the way to go,wait for a decent patch,a big pricedrop or buy it in a month from one who is simply frustrated by the games..

and patching yeah i see their superb patches..some sort of 5minute "hack" for guwange and epsgaluda2 stage 2 beginning slowdown is still there..not to mention those countless people who are having issues with MushiFutari BL,stuttering...their patch politics fits in this whole package:minimum effort,maximum cash(although this counts not only for CAVE these days..)

[bcass]

it is probably in CAVE's best interest NOT to make these games PCB perfect.

Nonsense. Cave don't make any money from sales of their old PCBs.

Once all the inadequacies of these latest ports come to light I say bomb them with emails, Twitter and Facebook posts. It's the only chance of there ever being a comprehensive patch. They clearly rushed this release. The least they can do is patch it.

[Skykid]

and why the F Guwange,sure decent style but the gameplay is rather boring.

Guwange was voted for be the general public I believe. It's far from boring that's for sure.

[bcass]

It was voted for by the Japanese general public. That XBLA questionnaire was a Japanese survey, not international. Had it been an international survey, I very much doubt Guwange would be at no.1, especially given how many of us were desperate for MMP and PS ports.

[Icarus]

It was voted for by the Japanese general public. That XBLA questionnaire was a Japanese survey, not international. Had it been an international survey, I very much doubt Guwange would be at no.1, especially given how many of us were desperate for MMP and PS ports.

Do they even pay attention to the surveys, anyway? Judging by the recent iOS survey they did, where Futari ranked higher than Deathsmiles overall in both Japan and the West, I would say they don't.

[bcass]

Well, given that Guwange was no.1 on the JPN XBLA survey they did and that game was their first release on XBLA, I'd say yes, they do. Who knows what shapes the thought processes at Cave though. Their recent spouts of eccentricity seem to know no bounds.

[exquisite_torture]

So, forgetting screen settings etc, is this at least on a visual par with XBLA Guwange?

[bcass]

Looks better than Guwange on a CRT via RGB scart IMO. There's no weird scaling artifacts during motion in this and the smoothing filter is also pretty good.

[Jack Burton]

I haven't played either of the pcb's but I'm enjoying this 2-pack so far. I like Mmp alot already. I like pink sweets arrange better than original as of now. These games seem like a nice change of pace.

I just wanted to chime in to say that I'm happy Cave listens to us. Sure, one could focus on the the whole region debate and non-standardized menus etc., but I'm in awe of all the great shmups Cave has put out on the 360. And we've got more coming. Cave could just say, "forget the 360 games, all we get is crap from the people who buy them." I mean, what if they just focused on the new adventure-type games and ios games. I admit, I complained when cave left out the 4:3 mode in Guwange , but then they manned up and took care of business. Even Dodonpachi Black label's problems (most of them) have been improved.

I gues I'm just saying that sure Cave has messed up here and there, but they've done a lot of great things as well. I rarely buy "new" games nowadays, but I do make one exception: Cave games are a Day-1 purchase. Period. Kind of like a holiday for me.

[cools]

These ports sound busted and the lack of HD doesn't really go along way to helping the package's image either. Think I'll be hanging on to my MMP PCB for sure now. Still it's fun to play with the bonus modes.

I'd love to have a MMP PCB again, and will do so when the price gets to a saner level (see also Futari).

Not quite understanding the hate here though (not directed at Strider77 specifically, but the forum in general). I'm playing the ports on a setup that would probably be considered "wrong" here - a widescreen projector, with smoothing off and zoomed to the top and bottom of the display, wallpaper on, with the standard Xbox pad. I've owned all the PCBs for the ports I own and will happily play arcade mode on the port despite the fact that it might be harder/faster/different (considered "broken" here) in some way to the original. Sometimes I'll even choose it over switching my cabs on.

I'm not saying my opinion is more valid than anyone elses, I just don't get why there seems to be more focus on port quality than simply enjoying the games.

[8 1/2]

I really love this package, but I suspect that these were originally being developed for XBLA and at some point the decision was made to bundle them for retail. That would explain the seemingly shared code for screen modes, and the lack of upscaling on the graphics. Also, unless I'm just doing something wrong, the game doesn't let you enter initials, but rather just ties scores to your gamertag. That seems very XBLA to me and quite different from their other home releases.

None of that is to complain though. I have spent quite a few hours with the MMP pcb, and yes, things are a little different here, but nothing is even close to putting me off of enjoying it. New players aren't really missing anything here, and old-timers will likely adjust very quickly.

[tearsofash]

I've never played either of these before, but I picked them up anyways.

The attitude in this thread worries me. I didn't have a problem with how Guwange looked on XBLA, would this be any different?

[ToiletKid77]

I'm wondering why my almost 8mil (lulz i know) score is stuck as my best score on leaderboards, when I've eclipsed it twice with the same settings. It's just saving those in the local leaderboards. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I'm always using score attack.

[exquisite_torture]

I've never played either of these before, but I picked them up anyways.

The attitude in this thread worries me. I didn't have a problem with how Guwange looked on XBLA, would this be any different?

I'd hazzard a guess that I'm quite casual compared to most here. I find the price somewhat prohibitive. I think the Deathsmiles arcade mode looks horrible and I'd be disappointed if I paid £50 for a double pack of non-high-res STGs regardless if they are by Cave or not that looked as bad as that. I was happy enough with the Guwange port and as long as MMP/PS looks visually equal to that, then I'm fine picking this up. I'll probably get slammed for this, but I believe in this day and age that these games should be no more than 800-1600MSpoints, high-res, region-free and available digitally.

[charlie chong]

yeh i'm more than happy with this port too.it does feel a little different but it's still amazing fun.plus all the extra modes.
guess there's noe pleasing some people.

[MachineAres 1CC]

Wow, I love how half this page just turned into a total whine-fest. Good god. Shut the fuck up and be happy CAVE is still in business and still releasing all of these games for us, stop whining about tiny, nitpicky bullshit. Who cares if they didn't release the game you wanted before the games you didn't want, or didn't make a fucking menu to your high and mighty standards. You aren't their only customer. People do this shit with XBLA games all the time on xbox forums, it makes you sound like a damn child. Both games look very good if you turn off the smoothing and I've played it on 4 TVs in my house with absolutely no problems whatsoever.

[Elixir]

Personally I'm boycotting the game because it uses interface sounds from Deathsmiles II X.

[dirge]

Still hasn't been shipped to me!

[njiska]

Personally I'm boycotting the game because it uses interface sounds from Deathsmiles II X.

Sadly this would be a more sensible reason to boycott than most of the options presented.

and why the F Guwange,sure decent style but the gameplay is rather boring.

Guwange was voted for be the general public I believe. It's far from boring that's for sure.

You are correct. It took first place in a poll held by Cave's Dev Blog. A poll that shocked CAVE with a surprising number of Western respondents.

[-Bridget-]

Wow, I love how half this page just turned into a total whine-fest. Good god. Shut the fuck up and be happy CAVE is still in business and still releasing all of these games for us, stop whining about tiny, nitpicky bullshit. Who cares if they didn't release the game you wanted before the games you didn't want, or didn't make a fucking menu to your high and mighty standards. You aren't their only customer. People do this shit with XBLA games all the time on xbox forums, it makes you sound like a damn child. Both games look very good if you turn off the smoothing and I've played it on 4 TVs in my house with absolutely no problems whatsoever.

I agree, but commenting on the whining usually doesnt help much. Unfortunately, that sort of whining just seems to be common on these forums (and many other forums). I never understand half of it, myself. Like the occaisional complaints about lack-of-scanlines; yeah, I really dont get it.

I didnt understand what, if anything, was wrong with Guwange on XBLA either. It seemed perfectly fine to me.

Granted, yes, I've never played the PCBs of any of these games, so I dont have those to compare to, but still.

[Axelayer]

Wow, I love how half this page just turned into a total whine-fest. Good god. Shut the fuck up and be happy CAVE is still in business and still releasing all of these games for us, stop whining about tiny, nitpicky bullshit. Who cares if they didn't release the game you wanted before the games you didn't want, or didn't make a fucking menu to your high and mighty standards. You aren't their only customer. People do this shit with XBLA games all the time on xbox forums, it makes you sound like a damn child. Both games look very good if you turn off the smoothing and I've played it on 4 TVs in my house with absolutely no problems whatsoever.

Sorry Folk,i am here at a FORUM,so i can express my opinion..simple.And as you can see im not the guy who shit out senseless posts or even whining on other topics.I have no "high standards",but seeing those 2 for retail price in a condition that is worth 800 points for one of them on xbox arcade marketplace,that is what bothers me.thats not nitpicking,its plain reality.And cool if you are enjoying this grand release.Im respecting that.So,you should respect other people opinions too..

do you think they release those games to please the crowd or what? wake up,they just want to make good money with some out of date games.instead of pushing them out on arcade for 800 points for one or even 1200 for both,some genius there@CAVE HQ said:"stop guys,we print a double cover,do this on disc and we can demand full price,cool eh?" maybe it was the same genius who decided to release both DFK`s regionlocked just to see "uhhh,sales werent good...BUT we have something that some publisher will maybe localize some day in one of the next years so we can make another penny out of it"

this is fanbase orientated? that is pure chaos imho..even to sell a black label version for full price..thats just riding the cash cow,they are in best focus of their loyal fanbase who will buy everything,if good or not,overpriced or not

sorry,i hope the sales of this will totally bomb.(and looking in my crystal ball right over here it says: SURE sales will bomb)Now with this release they should crap out the Rest of their Games in minimum effort to Xbox Live,that shouldnt be the Problem,Guwange was approved on LIVE,so,where are the rest of the games? should we all be thankful if they announce,that on X-Mas 2011 e.s.p.RADE is coming to live or what? No,they should release the Rest of the Backcatalogue in the next months,than they have enough time to do some "cool" akai katana iPhone Version or a visual novel with the mushihimesama chars or do some more festivals selling loli bedclothes to the otakus,seems that this is now their focus...i dont expect one more great NEW vert shmup from them

and yes i like the games really,but there are obviously strange things happening at cave.At least say could be honest say "hey guys,this was meant to be a xbox live release,we thought it were cool to make it a double pack retail release,so thats why it is how it is,but we will do our best and patch this to your pleasure"