RUMOR: Metal Gear Solid 1-3 HD Collection?!

[njiska]

Is MSG2 worth playing? I played 1 and 3 (loved both of them) but I heard the second game is the weakest of the series.

The story sucks. And the character you play for most of the game sucks too. The biggest problem I had with the game though, is CONSTANT codec calls. Other than that, the game ain't bad. But it's got problems. Part 3 mops the floor with it.

I have to disagree; the story is most definitely a convoluted mess, but there are some great coherent moments including some scenes between Hal and his sister. Raiden is an interesting character, but only if you can get past Rose and the fact that he's not snake. The rest of the cast is pretty bad-ass, especially Vamp.

That said it's probably my second least favourite MGS game, coming in only above MGS 4 which was frustrating as hell to play through. The Battle with Rex goes on forever, most of the cutscenes are 20 minutes too long and codec scenes, god damn you're certainly right about them being shit.

MGS 3: SNAKE EATER is by far the best.

[renardqueenston]

i like MGS1 the best. i think it had the best gameplay-to-cinematic-or-codec ratio

[EinhanderZwei]

i like MGS1 the best. i think it had the best gameplay-to-cinematic-or-codec ratio

The same can be said about MGS3, and actually MGS3 is superior due to almost no technobabble bullshit and 'Snake when I was a little girl' rants

[neorichieb1971]

I think the whole series is kinda crap. I liked part 1 and some of part 2 though. Part 3 lost me and so did 4. Most of the game involves hiding somewhere in almost plain sight and getting away with it. If I can see myself, so can he.

[renardqueenston]

and actually MGS3 is superior due to almost no technobabble bullshit and 'Snake when I was a little girl' rants

i'm pretty sure that's an opinion, not an actuality, the same way my post was an opinion

i also think MGS1 had the best gameplay overall

[EinhanderZwei]

i'm pretty sure that's an opinion, not an actuality, the same way my post was an opinion

Sure it is

i also think MGS1 had the best gameplay overall

Good point, because such type of camera is perfectly playable on PSP. Camera in MGS Portable Ops was horrible Also, the guards do not react to Claymores blowing up

[njiska]

and actually MGS3 is superior due to almost no technobabble bullshit and 'Snake when I was a little girl' rants

i'm pretty sure that's an opinion, not an actuality, the same way my post was an opinion

i also think MGS1 had the best gameplay overall

MGS1 had the tightest gameplay and level design, but I prefer MGS3 due to the addition of the camouflage, stamina and injury systems. The fact your stamina was affected by altitude only sweetened the deal. It's a natural progression and expansion of MGS1's core and the only game in the series to really move gameplay ahead.

I'd also like to add that I do not understand why they changed the camera with Subsistence. The levels in MGS3 were built for the classic camera system and moving to true 3D felt awkward as hell.

[Mortificator]

*shrugs* You could just press R3 to return to the original camera type.

Also, ITT we forget that Metal Gear Solid is the third game in the series.

[E. Randy Dupre]

The change to the camera system was a sop to all those players who'd moaned about the top-down view ever since MGS.

For me, that change was one of the reasons why I have a great dislike for MGS4, despite loving the others (especially Snake Eater). Afaik, there's no way to switch to a traditional MGS point of view in MGS4, is there?

[njiska]

*shrugs* You could just press R3 to return to the original camera type.

Also, ITT we forget that Metal Gear Solid is the third game in the series.

Yeah you can, but I still don't see why the need was there to add the camera type in the first place. Well aside from the people who wanted it to be Splinter Cell. Pretty much what happened to MGS4 and is a predominant reason why I'm not a big fan of that game.

As for the series, yes Solid is the third game in the Metal Gear franchise, but Solid tends to be viewed as it's own sub series and I think that's how the thread is approaching it.

Afaik, there's no way to switch to a traditional MGS point of view in MGS4, is there?

No, there isn't, but to be fair the stages in MGS4 aren't designed for it.

[EinhanderZwei]

As for the series, yes Solid is the third game in the Metal Gear franchise, but Solid tends to be viewed as it's own sub series and I think that's how the thread is approaching it.

Modern remakes of Metal Gear 1-2 and even Snake's Revenge would be awesome, because despite all my sucking for retro, I can't force myself to play them yet...

[njiska]

As for the series, yes Solid is the third game in the Metal Gear franchise, but Solid tends to be viewed as it's own sub series and I think that's how the thread is approaching it.

Modern remakes of Metal Gear 1-2 and even Snake's Revenge would be awesome, because despite all my sucking for retro, I can't force myself to play them yet...

I wouldn't mind Bionic Commando: Rearmed style remakes of Metal Gear (MSX) and Metal Gear 2, but i don' want the games redone as modern MGS games.

[dunpeal2064]

Man, I must have the worst tastes or something, because MGS2 is by far my favorite. I actually did not like 3. I loved playing the first when it came out, and 2 just went all out crazy. To me, it is the essence of Kojima, and for that, I actually quite liked the crazy-ass story

I also thought the bosses in 2 were superb. Not the fights, per say, but the actual characters. I guess thats one of the great things about this series, people can find great things in any or all of them (aside current-gen Kojima, which is disappointing to say the least)

[Mortificator]

As for the series, yes Solid is the third game in the Metal Gear franchise, but Solid tends to be viewed as it's own sub series and I think that's how the thread is approaching it.

Modern remakes of Metal Gear 1-2 and even Snake's Revenge would be awesome, because despite all my sucking for retro, I can't force myself to play them yet...

I wouldn't mind Bionic Commando: Rearmed style remakes of Metal Gear (MSX) and Metal Gear 2, but i don' want the games redone as modern MGS games.

Maybe the original Metal Gear... but 2? Subsistence fixed the few minor complaints I had with it: the character portraits, poor (fan) translation, and timing for the eggs / shape memory alloy. Like with Bionic Commando, I don't see any point in remaking games that are actually good.

"Solid" is just a descriptor that means the game is 3D. MGS has the same director as MG2 and is a direct sequel, both gameplay and story-wise, not a tangent like MegaMan Battle Network or something.

I don't mean to argue about something so incredibly minor, though.

[njiska]

Maybe the original Metal Gear... but 2? Subsistence fixed the few minor complaints I had with it: the character portraits, poor (fan) translation, and timing for the eggs / shape memory alloy. Like with Bionic Commando, I don't see any point in remaking games that are actually good.

It's a matter of availability really. I'd be happy to see a standalone re-release of the original MG and MG2 as well.

"Solid" is just a descriptor that means the game is 3D. MGS has the same director as MG2 and is a direct sequel, both gameplay and story-wise, not a tangent like MegaMan Battle Network or something.

I don't mean to argue about something so incredibly minor, though.

The reason I stated that solid is treated like a sub series has nothing to do with plot or development. It's simply a case of MG and MG2 not being available outside of Japan (Nes port does not count), so for most Western gamers Solid is a series unto itself. Unlike Final Fantasy, which has pretty much succeeded in renumbering the international releases of II and III with their proper titles (IV and VI).

I wouldn't really call this an argument. Just a friendly clarification of points.

[StoofooEsq]

MGS1 was fine, but didn't feel like something I'd want to replay anytime soon after I finished it two years ago. Probably because of how I got spoiled by MGS2's improvements to the gameplay.

I enjoyed MGS2 a lot, not so much for the main story, but for the Substance additions like the VR Missions. This was also my very first MGS game (didn't get to play 1 or 3 until the MGS Essential Collection), so I couldn't make full sense of the story anyway.

MGS3 was by far my favorite of the series. I really liked the shift to outside environments and focus on sustenance. This also has some of my favorite boss fights in the series.

MGS4...I'm not certain on its standing right now, as I haven't finished it yet (last left at Act III). Even with all of the improvements to the main formula, it's not quite shaping up to being an entry I'd rank highly, for some reason.

As it stands, I'd like to replay MGS1-3 sometime after I finish 4. MGS2 in particular, because now I can get a better understanding of what the hell was happening there in relation to the rest of the series. I think.

[ZOM]

I loved MGS2. Raiden is a really interesting character and I also liked the whole plot, never understood what so convoluted about it anyway - it's just MGS1-simulation with a few twists and the later parts got really awesome. Loved the whole arsenal gear part up to and including the final showdown with Solidus.

Gameplay-wise, like BIL said, the game plays very smoothly and all sneaking and "funnier" tricks quickly become second nature to use.
As much as I liked Snake Eater, I found it more of a chore sneaking-wise compared to MGS2. However, MGS3 boss fights were more interesting.

[evil_ash_xero]

Some people really like the story in 2, and some don't. I'm the latter. I just thought the story was complete garbage. And the conversations between Raiden and his girlfriend...oh my god. I mean, those damn codec calls would go on forever. In the middle of a mission, she would ask you why you turn away when sleeping in bed. Junk like that. And it's so freaking constant.
There's a lot of junk to put up with in that game.