Explain to me why the Dreamcast deserves it's crazy fan base

[joeblade]

I think they are the only games which I thought hit that certain peak quality aspect from Sega.

Jet Set Radio / De La Jet Set Radio really got me. As per earlier in this thread, I play them both to this day and still love them. I've not played a lot of other DC games recently, but I do rate quite a lot. I should get the two Crazy Taxi games as I've never touched them. PSO, of course, gets a mention.

I will say this: the DC was the last system in which with every purchase I felt like I was supporting a company/system I liked. Even if I got a turd, I just shrugged it off.

JSR, Crazy Taxi were just superb games....personal guilty pleasure of mine was Shotoku Battle 1&2, the music, ambience, graphics!!
I mean i even dug NBA 2K and i hate sports games!!

[neorichieb1971]

I think this thread is being kept alive by the ones we are talking about

[louisg]

Then you are obviously not a fighting fan. At the end of the day, the later PS2 fighters destroy the old DC fighter library. Into KOF? why would you want to play Dream Match and Evolution on DC when Ultimate/Unlimited Match exists on PS2? Same with SF Zero and Darkstalkers. The DC versions were great until the PS2 versions came along. Same thing with Guilty Gear. Then the exclusives - Fate/ UC and Melty Blood AA. What Dreamcast fighters can match those?
I think I encouraged this thread to go a little off topic with the whole PS2 slant, you know I love Dreamcast and SEGA in general, but I guess I am kind of surprised that there isn't the same rabid fanboy love for niche genres on Sony's machine. (Or is there)?

I have to say I agree with this one. Though, I should also point out that there wasn't, afaik, KOF '98 on PS2 until 2009 or so (and because of this, my KOF experience is almost exclusively DC). In the PS2's favor, Virtua Fighter 4 Evo pretty much slams VF3 (though VF3 has some unique elements). No love for Garou or Last Blade 2 though? I hear Garou is better on PS2 while LB2 is better on DC.. both games rock (I've only played the domestically available DC versions here though).

I think re: rabid Sony love, that there is as much if not more than for the DC-- especially in the wake of the PS3. It's funny to think that consoles are so political, but when a system fails it kind of energizes the base The one thing I don't see a lot is GameCube love. I guess that's because it really did have few exclusives, but it's a system I still really like (I'm currently playing Burnout 2 on it).

JSR

That is one I just could never get into. I was incredibly stoked about it because it was the first cel shaded game I played (first on consoles?), but then my experience with the gameplay is that I could go in circles forever getting my graffiti painted over by rivals.. could never figure out what I was really doing wrong,

[greg]

Yeah, but "rabid Sony love" seems naive and immature. It's not a company to feel good about, especially when the hardware no longer equates to high quality. It's like you pay for the Sony name, but not because they make superior products. Being such an industry leader, Sony's products can't have that niche feeling and cult status. The Dreamcast did. I guess that's also why I enjoy listening to indie label bands as well.

[drauch]

I think this thread is being kept alive by the ones we are talking about

[Diabollokus]

The dreamcast was ahead of its time in many ways, I still remember the game adverts for PSO it looked amazing, played it for 2 years non stop.

My first game was sonic adventure on release then at Xmas I got Soul Calibur and Trickstyle. The joypad feels wrong now when you compare it to the 360's pad but it did the job. Only a few true exclusives remain now, its funny how the 360 basically is a dreamcast 2 when you look at the titles on xbla, sega published games and library.

I only play mine for shmups now border down in particular. Virtua fighter 3 was a good game put poorly ported, lacking features and required an arcade stick. I'm looking at my remaining dreamcast library now and the gaming experiences that still stand out now are: shenmue 1 and 2, skies of arcadia, rez, space channel 5 part 1+2, JSF, soul calibur, grandia 2, fur fighters, starlancer sonic adventure 1, toy commander, virtua tennis 1 and 2, headhunter, ecco the dolphin and metropolis street racer.

I think the distinct lack of popular FPS title support is one of the main reasons for its fan base. It was and still is a console for people who purely enjoyed playing games.

[Mortificator]

People who play FPSs don't like video games, and lacking a popular genre makes a console more popular? Are you for real?

[louisg]

The dreamcast was ahead of its time in many ways, I still remember the game adverts for PSO it looked amazing, played it for 2 years non stop.

My first game was sonic adventure on release then at Xmas I got Soul Calibur and Trickstyle. The joypad feels wrong now when you compare it to the 360's pad but it did the job. Only a few true exclusives remain now, its funny how the 360 basically is a dreamcast 2 when you look at the titles on xbla, sega published games and library.

I only play mine for shmups now border down in particular. Virtua fighter 3 was a good game put poorly ported, lacking features and required an arcade stick. I'm looking at my remaining dreamcast library now and the gaming experiences that still stand out now are: shenmue 1 and 2, skies of arcadia, rez, space channel 5 part 1+2, JSF, soul calibur, grandia 2, fur fighters, starlancer sonic adventure 1, toy commander, virtua tennis 1 and 2, headhunter, ecco the dolphin and metropolis street racer.

I think the distinct lack of popular FPS title support is one of the main reasons for its fan base. It was and still is a console for people who purely enjoyed playing games.

I never got the DC2 = 360 thing. They're both white, MS ripped off the controller shape for the original XBox (why?), and there is a mistaken impression that DC games all run under Windows CE because it has a logo on the front of the machine. As far as I can tell, that's pretty much it...

I'd also argue that the DC *does* actually have popular (at the time) FPS games: Unreal Tournament and Quake 3, both playable with KB and mouse and online. There's also a bunch of WinCE ports like Rainbow Six, but I never checked those out because the general quality of the WinCE games I've played leave a lot to be desired.

The trouble is that, back then, FPSses weren't really considered much on console. The only popular console FPSses I can think of from that time are Turok, Goldeneye, and Medal of Honor. Different times... of course the *lack* of FPSses had nothing to do with the console's success

BTW Fur Fighters is essentially an FPS!

[drauch]

I think the distinct lack of popular FPS title support is one of the main reasons for its fan base. It was and still is a console for people who purely enjoyed playing games.

What does that mean???

[Diabollokus]

That you can read, access and forum and type?

The context of the thread is directed towards a minority fanbase, not mainstream popularity, at no point was a direct association made whereby failure to support a popular genre equals mainstream popularity.

I'd like to remember the dreamcast for its 'Lack' of titles in any case, my view is slightly different. Today I buy consoles to play specific games long after release i.e. 360 for halo + PS3 for MGS + GOW, with the dreamcast it was different for me back then as the titles were mostly original, besides success is hardly a word to associate with the dreamcast. Fur fighters FPS? no chance third person shooter/platformer. Good game, definetly.

I see the 360 = DC2 when the library's are compared with the 360 complete title library, xbla plus xbox 1's backwards compatibility. You have your house of the deads, panzer dragoon orta, JSFR, virtua fighter 5, crazy taxi, soul calibur etc.

[Obiwanshinobi]

The Typing of the Dead is a first person shooter. Sort of.

[louisg]

Not to nitpick, but Fur Fighters is most definitely an FPS. It's a third person game which exclusively uses FPS controls, where you aim at the center of the screen. Essentially, it is an FPS where, instead of staring at your gun, you are staring at your character (ala Duke 3d's 3rd person view). IIRC, it's a good game too.

And Typing of the Dead rules

I see the 360 = DC2 when the library's are compared with the 360 complete title library, xbla plus xbox 1's backwards compatibility. You have your house of the deads, panzer dragoon orta, JSFR, virtua fighter 5, crazy taxi, soul calibur etc.

Right, but the same can be said of the PS2, which received the most DC and Naomi ports after the DC died. Sega's strategy was to put different games on different consoles, depending on what they thought the target audience was (e.g., GameCube received all the kid-friendly Sega games).

Too bad they never resurrected Outtrigger. That one had potential. Stick in some better AI and some bigger arenas and you've got something.

[drauch]

I'm done.

[chempop]

Phantasy Crack Online: name one console game at the time that people were getting married while playing. That shit was crazy.