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TATEd CRT PC monitor?

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Just got into SHMUPs in a big way, and I've been obsessed with figuring out the best possible monitor to tate...

I tried TATEing my HDMI-capable 1080P LCD PC monitor... and while the picture quality looks great, the viewing angles are so messed up. Anything to the "right" (top) of the monitor is visible, but move your head at all to the left (bottom) and it's pitch black. I was planning to by a tate-able mounting stand, but if it looks like that, I figure my $50 can be put to better use on a CRT. That would eliminate lag issues as well.

So is a TATE CRT PC monitor really the best go-to solution for SHMUPpers on a budget? I know that authentic arcade monitors and professional video monitors with RGB will be superior, but I'm unlikely to shell out the coin for those at this time. It seems like many folks in the TATE monitor thread are using PC monitors, but I don't know if that's the monitor of choice, or if it's just a ghetto way to play tate MAME :P

So is it really worth hunting down a good CRT PC monitor and getting the hookups for my Xbox 360? Or should I stick with my LCD monitor?
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so are you only specifically trying to use a 360? In that case I would go to a pawn shop and see if you can find a 28" CRT TV with component inputs and use that. It will look awesome. That's what I have in my candy.
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burgerkingdiamond wrote:so are you only specifically trying to use a 360? In that case I would go to a pawn shop and see if you can find a 28" CRT TV with component inputs and use that. It will look awesome. That's what I have in my candy.
I actually have a 27 inch Sony Wega with component inputs :P I might try that for fun. It's not 480P though... just 480i... Does that matter in recreating these PCB games?

But I was planning to hook up anything I could throw at it.. PC w/ MAME, Dreamcast w/ VGA box, etc.
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I'm not the person to ask for how to re-create a 100 percent arcade quality picture. There's a lot of people that are all hard core about scanlines and all this other stuff. I think that Futari on 360 looks great through component on my TV. Just try it with that TV you have and see what it's like. Playing TATE is sooo much better. you won't ever want to play regular again.
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I am waiting to hear back from Fudoh to see if the LCD + SLG3000 combo gives a CRT look. If it does then its fair to say that sticking with LCD is probably the better bet. If you go CRT its a nice setup if you have lots of room and can enjoy it being set up all the time. For me though I can't enjoy that experience because I don't have a desk I can use permanently.
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burgerkingdiamond wrote:so are you only specifically trying to use a 360? In that case I would go to a pawn shop and see if you can find a 28" CRT TV with component inputs and use that. It will look awesome. That's what I have in my candy.

Dunno I hate interlacing personally.

Emotia to rgb crt or arcade monitor is of course 240p scanlined greatness.

But if thats a step too far; I think a crt monitor tated should easily give you some nice lag free results - plus you have the higher resolutions - which may work out better for ikaruga etc. This plus 360 vga cable would be the quick/cheap/easy fix of my choice for you - only potential downside likely being you'll probably be limited to 20" screen without some serious searching ...
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I am waiting to hear back from Fudoh to see if the LCD + SLG3000 combo gives a CRT look.
you can stop waiting. The SLG3000 really does what it promised to do and it really shines. I've posted plenty of screenshots in the SLG3000 thread already.

The decision CRT vs. LCD really depends on your sources. While a CRT drives classic systems (MD, SNES, PCE) natively without any processing, you need an Emotia (or UVC) to properly display 360 shmups at 240p and you lose the posibility to play 16:9 HD games. On a LCD on the other hand, you need an upscaler or linedoubler to feed a system like a MD or SNES into the SLG3000.
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I've tated a 27" CRT TV and it worked great. The only problem was that I had to TATE a 27" CRT TV :P
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captpain wrote:I've tated a 27" CRT TV and it worked great. The only problem was that I had to TATE a 27" CRT TV :P

lol +1!
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captpain wrote:I've tated a 27" CRT TV and it worked great. The only problem was that I had to TATE a 27" CRT TV :P
LOL tell me about it. Last night after burgerkingdiamond posted his suggestion of a CRT TV, I had a few drinks and decided since I have a 27" CRT... I'M DOING IT!! I drunkenly wrestled with that giant thing at 2AM :P Now that it's TATEd... it's STAYING tated. :lol:

I discovered that my Xbox 360 component cable was broken... but I tested my J-PS2 and Espgaluda and Mushi looked ok. Interlace city though. I might just use that setup for PS2 Cave games... but I think MAME and 360 deserve better... I'm leaning back towards a CRT PC monitor.

It's also easier to TATE :P
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PixelDharma wrote:but I tested my J-PS2 and Espgaluda and Mushi looked ok. Interlace city though. I might just use that setup for PS2 Cave games...
ESPGaluda should be 240p.
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The answer was definitely PC CRT. Scored one for $5... The biggest expense was the Xbox VGA cable :P

Mushi Futari and Deathsmiles look amazing on it! Definitely the best solution for cheap. Better than my HD LCD PC monitor for arcade shmups.

Now to set up a sick 360/Dreamcast/MAME "arcade" :lol:

Weird enough... this monitor has RGB input! I've never really seen that on a domestic North American PC monitor before. I know a PC monitor doesn't have scanlines or anything.. but I think this will be a great start to the world of RGB... Does anyone have experience hooking up consoles to a monitor like this?
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PixelDharma wrote:but I tested my J-PS2 and Espgaluda and Mushi looked ok. Interlace city though. I might just use that setup for PS2 Cave games...
ESPGaluda should be 240p.
My TV was 480i anyway :P Good to know the PS2 port is decent though.
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gray117 wrote:
burgerkingdiamond wrote:so are you only specifically trying to use a 360? In that case I would go to a pawn shop and see if you can find a 28" CRT TV with component inputs and use that. It will look awesome. That's what I have in my candy.

Dunno I hate interlacing personally.

Emotia to rgb crt or arcade monitor is of course 240p scanlined greatness.

But if thats a step too far; I think a crt monitor tated should easily give you some nice lag free results - plus you have the higher resolutions - which may work out better for ikaruga etc. This plus 360 vga cable would be the quick/cheap/easy fix of my choice for you - only potential downside likely being you'll probably be limited to 20" screen without some serious searching ...
If I was able to see the alternative maybe I would change my mind, but just based on what I have in front of me I can't complain about my setup.

And yeah, a 27" CRT is a bitch to move. It wasn't easy decasing one and sticking it in my candy! (original monitor was busted, and a TV allows hookup to 360 and PCBs, through a converter, simultaneously, I spent $70 at a pawn shop instead of a few hundred on a Tri-Sync monitor...)
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PixelDharma wrote:
antron wrote: ESPGaluda should be 240p.
My TV was 480i anyway :P Good to know the PS2 port is decent though.
all normal TVs will display a 240p signal. Every console before the PS1 was 240p only, AFAIK (and many PS1 games are anyway)
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antron wrote:
PixelDharma wrote:
antron wrote: ESPGaluda should be 240p.
My TV was 480i anyway :P Good to know the PS2 port is decent though.
all normal TVs will display a 240p signal. Every console before the PS1 was 240p only, AFAIK (and many PS1 games are anyway)
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if newer TVs eventually lose the ability to handle 240p entirely. A lot of TVs on the market already have no idea what to do with a 240p signal fed over component.
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