Pink Sweets & Muchi Muchi Pork bundle - Xbox 360!!!!!

[Zeron]

I really can't wait for this amazing combo February will be a awesome month indeed.

also I have to agree with Skykid and a few other when it comes to Futari I really dont see all the fuss about it.


Would be amazing if Yagawa created another fanservice fiesta aka APB

[apple arcade]

sooo excited for muchi muchi pork.

don't really care about pink sweets. i'm sure i'll give it a go ...eventually. lol

[njiska]

MMP is a Yagawa game in a Cave disguise, is the best way to put it. If you don't play it for score, you can do well in terms of pure progress and play it similarly to a Cave shmup (although the feel is still different.)
But when playing for score it's pure Yagawa with a merciless rank. In fact, the rank is so harsh playing for score was a turn off for me initially.
Playing for score means maxing out your piggy gold to top values in the first two minutes of the game, unfortunately this also skyrockets the rank so by the time you get to the first boss you need to be on your toes or milking/suiciding on him is tough (yes, the first boss is tough in this respect.)

The main difficulty is when rank increases the screen is awash with stuff - not just bullets but clouds of gold and parachuting pigs and it's oh so easy to get yo' ass maimed without seeing what hit you because you're still looking at one layer of action: absorbing piggy gold.

If you play for survival, you still won't like it as much as Futari - it's less clean cut. If you play for score you definitely won't like it as much as Futari, it'll punish the hell out of you.

Sounds like something I'll enjoy. While I certainly am a Cave fan, I have a soft sport for Raizing, which means tough rank.

[chempop]

I'm looking forward to these, but I'll be shocked if either one grabs me by the balls. I love old Raizing but Ibara hasn't clicked for me yet (yes, I've tried bomb-ba-ing every few seconds).

Jesus fucking Christ why does everyone shit their fucking pants about Futari?

Because (assuming you were thinking in comparison to other Cave 360 games) :

DOJ has long-long time loading
Deathsmiles has lolis
ESPG2 is too "cerebral"
Ketsui is too old, difficult, and over-hyped
Deathsmiles 2X is 3D (and isn't fullscreen on 4:3)
Guwange is only $10 so it can't possible be that good (and isn't fullscreen on 4:3)
DFK is brand new and hasn't gelled yet

And the whole "first region-free" thing too.

[Special World]

Jesus fucking Christ why does everyone shit their fucking pants about Futari? The game is not that goddamn good. It's good, but it has to be my least favorite CAVE game on 360 so far, or at least tied with DSIIX.

Because it wuz the first to be region freeeeeeee, which means all the folk who arrived at this forum like videogame refugees found that it was the first Cave game of the modern generation that could be readily embraced.
But yes, I don't get all the pant shitting either. Even though I think it's a great game, the original Mushi and anything from the PGM period has far more in the way of muscle.

I find it of particular interest that on EOJ's site, only Futari and MMP were given 10s. Futari's probably my favorite game ever, so I'm quite excited.

With all due respect to both you and EOJ, those scores should not be taken as gospel. EOJ is very well versed with Cave games and entitled to score them at whatever he likes, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those two games are the ones most worthy of embracing. In fact, there's a good chance after all this hype, that many people will hate MMP (especially if you liked Futari - it's a very different game indeed.)

I never said they were gospel. I'm excited because EOJ holds Futari in as high of regard as I do, and I'm excited FOR the fact that they're so different. I've got a lot of Cave games sitting here, and it'll be nice to have something really different. I'm ready to get down with rank, as well.

And there's a billion reasons to like Futari. Original / Maniac offer two vastly different scoring styles, and I think those scoring systems are an absolute blast. They're very punishment free while still rewarding good play, and they make the game play aggressively. I find that some Cave games become kind of anemic through their scoring (Espgaluda 2). The bullet patterns are great, and the graphics are unmatched for pure beauty. I could say a bunch more, but I have to go. To chalk it up to "first region free game" is fucking silly, though.

[third_strike]

4. A bit of a second half to the 3rd stage. One of the most enjoyable moments in the game

!?!?
The second half of 3rd stage plus the whole 4th stage have the most annoying slowdonw-speed up ever.

DOJ has long-long time loading

It's amazing how the peoples give to you the idea which the loading time last forever. I guess takes 2 minutes to start Black Label, 2 minutes in a day with 24h, less minutes than toke me to write this phrases with a very broke english.

[njiska]

4. A bit of a second half to the 3rd stage. One of the most enjoyable moments in the game

!?!?
The second half of 3rd stage plus the whole 4th stage have the most annoying slowdonw-speed up ever.

I like the slowdown there. Though Mainly in BL Original

DOJ has long-long time loading

It's amazing how the peoples give to you the idea which the loading time last forever. I guess takes 2 minutes to start Black Label, 2 minutes in a day with 24h, less minutes than toke me to write this phrases with a very broke english.[/quote]

The problem with the DOJ port is just that it's annoying. It's not game breaking, but it's frustrating. Especially as 9/10 time I have to switch my rotation and don't remember until I get into BL. So 2 mins to load. Another minute to load. Another minute to go back. One last minute to go into BL again. PLus the buttons for what goes forward and backward in different menus changes.

Says nothing about the game itself though. Definitely fun once you get in there and worth owning/playing.

[chempop]

The more I think about it, the more I think the vast majority of people here are going to be disappointed with these games. My impression is that more people here don't like Ibara, and from what I gather Pink Sweets is like a Candyland/ToyStory version of that... and MMP has all sorts of squealing and grating sound effects. Heck, the beeping lock-on sound in Ketsui drove me half nuts and I haven't even played much of it yet. I know I'm just being cynical.

njiska wrote:
4. A bit of a second half to the 3rd stage. One of the most enjoyable moments in the game

!?!?
The second half of 3rd stage plus the whole 4th stage have the most annoying slowdonw-speed up ever.
Quote:
DOJ has long-long time loading

It's amazing how the peoples give to you the idea which the loading time last forever. I guess takes 2 minutes to start Black Label, 2 minutes in a day with 24h, less minutes than toke me to write this phrases with a very broke english.

I agree with you about Futari's speed changing being a bit much, especially when it means running into shit because the game decides to get faster all a sudden. It's pissed me off a whole bunch, I often just bomb through those damn parts if I don't want to test my luck.

I was cracking at the generalizations about issues people have with the other Cave games. DOJ's Long-long-time loady doesn't bother me at all, I just have a sip of tea, or take a piss, or have a smoke while I'm waiting.

[brentsg]

The more I think about it, the more I think the vast majority of people here are going to be disappointed with these games. My impression is that more people here don't like Ibara, and from what I gather Pink Sweets is like a Candyland/ToyStory version of that... and MMP has all sorts of squealing and grating sound effects. Heck, the beeping lock-on sound in Ketsui drove me half nuts and I haven't even played much of it yet. I know I'm just being cynical.

I think you're right. I believe that a good percentage of this forum's members won't get past either the cute part, or the sound/music aspect to enjoy the great game underneath (MMP).

Pink Sweets is pretty well dependent on arrange modes, for the port. I don't think too many of the general populace will appreciate PS if they don't do a pretty tight job with them.

[Icarus]

This doublepack is pure Yagawa fanservice, and will put off or eat alive anyone who wanders in expecting typical Cave gameplay. I, for one, can't wait - Daifukketsui will be a nice snack in Feb, but my main course is this pack of games.

[Skykid]

To chalk it up to "first region free game" is fucking silly, though.

It counts for a lot. You should have seen before and after snapshots of this forum.

I find that some Cave games become kind of anemic through their scoring (Espgaluda 2).

Espgaluda II, and man, does it take some ragging these days, is like a beautiful flower of pure adrenaline that either overwhelms or is harnessed by the player. Once you're in control of the bullet time flicking and zesshikai diving it's an experience that closes in on the divine, an endless bullet cancelling waterfall of gold.
Honestly, I just think people rarely make it that far because the difficulty puts them off - but it's a smaller hump to get over than you might think.

[Aliquantic]

Pink Sweets is pretty well dependent on arrange modes, for the port. I don't think too many of the general populace will appreciate PS if they don't do a pretty tight job with them.

Speaking of which, can anyone venture a guess as to how Pink Sweets Arrange work? The promotional video isn't very forthcoming with details (MMP's seems to be very heavy on bullet cancelling)... and the MMP Matsuri version may put Pink Sweets even more into the background too if Arrange turns out to be a disappointment.

[Drachenherz]

To chalk it up to "first region free game" is fucking silly, though.

It counts for a lot. You should have seen before and after snapshots of this forum.

I find that some Cave games become kind of anemic through their scoring (Espgaluda 2).

Espgaluda II, and man, does it take some ragging these days, is like a beautiful flower of pure adrenaline that either overwhelms or is harnessed by the player. Once you're in control of the bullet time flicking and zesshikai diving it's an experience that closes in on the divine, an endless bullet cancelling waterfall of gold.
Honestly, I just think people rarely make it that far because the difficulty puts them off - but it's a smaller hump to get over than you might think.

Man, you really wet my mouth to let Esp Ra.De. be for the time being and really dive into Espgaluda II...

On the other hand...

[drauch]

I love Futari because I love Cave, shmups, insects, and anime girls. It's kinda the perfect game for me. Best Cave shmup? That's relative. But yeah, I lurv it.

[Shalashaska]

The more I think about it, the more I think the vast majority of people here are going to be disappointed with these games. My impression is that more people here don't like Ibara, and from what I gather Pink Sweets is like a Candyland/ToyStory version of that... and MMP has all sorts of squealing and grating sound effects. Heck, the beeping lock-on sound in Ketsui drove me half nuts and I haven't even played much of it yet. I know I'm just being cynical.

Really? I think the opposite. Once people get to actually play the game (at least, MMP) I think they'll look past the silly pig girls and whatnot as it's a really fun game. I'm not a big fan of Ibara or Pink Sweets (though I own the PCB) but I found MMP to be great. I'm really looking forward to this release.

Espgaluda II, and man, does it take some ragging these days, is like a beautiful flower of pure adrenaline that either overwhelms or is harnessed by the player. Once you're in control of the bullet time flicking and zesshikai diving it's an experience that closes in on the divine, an endless bullet cancelling waterfall of gold.
Honestly, I just think people rarely make it that far because the difficulty puts them off - but it's a smaller hump to get over than you might think.

I love your way with words Skykid.

[Special World]

The more I think about it, the more I think the vast majority of people here are going to be disappointed with these games. My impression is that more people here don't like Ibara, and from what I gather Pink Sweets is like a Candyland/ToyStory version of that... and MMP has all sorts of squealing and grating sound effects. Heck, the beeping lock-on sound in Ketsui drove me half nuts and I haven't even played much of it yet. I know I'm just being cynical.

I think you're right. I believe that a good percentage of this forum's members won't get past either the cute part, or the sound/music aspect to enjoy the great game underneath (MMP).

Pink Sweets is pretty well dependent on arrange modes, for the port. I don't think too many of the general populace will appreciate PS if they don't do a pretty tight job with them.

I'd imagine that anybody who would be turned off by the cuteness would probably have been turned off immediately by the PV. The fact that they're both cute as a button isn't really hidden away.

[roker]

leave it to a bunch of super nerds to hate Futari

it's like, "oh hey people like this game, so now I must hate it to be a non-conformist"

even if you don't love the game, you can at least respect why it's so good:

1) awesome graphics
-the high rez modes plus gobs of enemies and bullets on screen PLUS gigantic bosses make one a very pretty game.

2) awesome gameplay
-it took a while to like the hold down then tap mechanism, but after getting used to it, I do nothing but try to max out my multiplier for high scoring madness.

3) awesome music
-good stuff, not a bad track in sight.

4) awesome god mode (this one seals the deal)
-bullet heaven and hell in all it's glory.

(this message is mainly directed toward the troll known as MachineAres)

[Skykid]

leave it to a bunch of super nerds to hate Futari

it's like, "oh hey people like this game, so now I must hate it to be a non-conformist"

even if you don't love the game, you can at least respect why it's so good:

1) awesome graphics
-the high rez modes plus gobs of enemies and bullets on screen PLUS gigantic bosses make one a very pretty game.

2) awesome gameplay
-it took a while to like the hold down then tap mechanism, but after getting used to it, I do nothing but try to max out my multiplier for high scoring madness.

3) awesome music
-good stuff, not a bad track in sight.

4) awesome god mode (this one seals the deal)
-bullet heaven and hell in all it's glory.

(this message is mainly directed toward the troll known as MachineAres)

This would be a good opportunity for you to point out where anyone actually said they hated it.

[roker]

leave it to a bunch of super nerds to hate Futari

it's like, "oh hey people like this game, so now I must hate it to be a non-conformist"

even if you don't love the game, you can at least respect why it's so good:

1) awesome graphics
-the high rez modes plus gobs of enemies and bullets on screen PLUS gigantic bosses make one a very pretty game.

2) awesome gameplay
-it took a while to like the hold down then tap mechanism, but after getting used to it, I do nothing but try to max out my multiplier for high scoring madness.

3) awesome music
-good stuff, not a bad track in sight.

4) awesome god mode (this one seals the deal)
-bullet heaven and hell in all it's glory.

(this message is mainly directed toward the troll known as MachineAres)

This would be a good opportunity for you to point out where anyone actually said they hated it.

balls.

[MachineAres 1CC]

Damn, all this talk about his old Raizing/8ing stuff really makes me wish there was some kind of Battle Garegga/Battle Bakraid/Batrider collection or something with arrange modes and cool shit I already play them all pretty often on my arcade cab, but to have new content for them would just be amazing. Now I just feel like I'm being greedy and the likelihood of this actually happening is really slim to none. I wonder what happened to all the rights for the old Raizing/8ing stuff.

[Despatche]

I would definitely like something like this, maybe even a 3-disc release of the soundtracks to go with since Batrider has been so neglected.

Eighting should still have all of those rights.

[MachineAres 1CC]

I would definitely like something like this, maybe even a 3-disc release of the soundtracks to go with since Batrider has been so neglected.

Eighting should still have all of those rights.

Yeah, I just found out Eighting is still publishing games for other people right now, even on 360/Wii/etc. so that would make sense, but they probably view most of their old Raizing-developed stuff as not having a lot of current public interest, since I don't think even one of their old arcade games has been re-released on any system or any collection anywhere.

[Trevor spencer]

Damn, all this talk about his old Raizing/8ing stuff really makes me wish there was some kind of Battle Garegga/Battle Bakraid/Batrider collection or something with arrange modes and cool shit

Now that would be cool , I really like garegga - shame im shit at it

[Phellan Wolf]

I would definitely like something like this, maybe even a 3-disc release of the soundtracks to go with since Batrider has been so neglected.

Eighting should still have all of those rights.

Yeah, I just found out Eighting is still publishing games for other people right now, even on 360/Wii/etc. so that would make sense, but they probably view most of their old Raizing-developed stuff as not having a lot of current public interest, since I don't think even one of their old arcade games has been re-released on any system or any collection anywhere.

If I am not mistaken they're programming right now Marvel vs Capcom 3 for Capcom and have been working for them for some time. IMO they should go back to their roots or release ports like Cave and Treasure.I am sure that their ports will sell like hotcakes.

[StarCreator]

I'm pretty sure Marvel 3 is being developed in-house at Capcom - did a quick search and couldn't find evidence Eighting is involved at all.

[Phellan Wolf]

I'm pretty sure Marvel 3 is being developed in-house at Capcom - did a quick search and couldn't find evidence Eighting is involved at all.

I have read it some time ago that they were involved in some sort of, however I can't find it. Also I am pretty sure that the game is not made in house by capcom, those old days have dead. Let's get back on topic.
The RF news are welcomed and surely will push Cave sales a bit.

[evil_ash_xero]

Anyone have any estimates on how many copies Futari and Galuda II sold in other countries outside of Japan? I just wonder how many of us are actually picking these games up.

[Skykid]

Anyone have any estimates on how many copies Futari and Galuda II sold in other countries outside of Japan? I just wonder how many of us are actually picking these games up.

Dunno, I sort of get the feeling they're not anticipating great domestic sales from this collection b/c they weren't successful first time around. They've probably just opened it up to be region free in the hope of shifting a few more copies.

[BPzeBanshee]

I would definitely like something like this, maybe even a 3-disc release of the soundtracks to go with since Batrider has been so neglected.

Eighting should still have all of those rights.

Yeah, I just found out Eighting is still publishing games for other people right now, even on 360/Wii/etc. so that would make sense, but they probably view most of their old Raizing-developed stuff as not having a lot of current public interest, since I don't think even one of their old arcade games has been re-released on any system or any collection anywhere.

Battle Garegga was ported to the Sega Saturn. As I recall, that's it.

[MachineAres 1CC]

Battle Garegga was ported to the Sega Saturn. As I recall, that's it.

Haha, I was referring to modern systems, I guess, I know about the Garegga port. And that port was fairly timely, it came out about 2 years after the arcade debut, which isn't really a "re-release" it was just the first port.

Also, it's pretty cool that the Garegga cover art is still part of the main image on the Eighting official website: http://www.8ing.net/index.html

And they still have pages for all their old arcade stuff too with a bunch of information, it's a pretty interesting site. http://www.8ing.net/prd/garegga/index.html

It also looks like they've been making a bunch of cell phone ports of all their old shmups with some thing called "Easy Appli" including Garegga: http://www.8ing.net/02-06.html