Most Underrated Shmup?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:55 pm

I'm with angrycoder: Harmful Park.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 6:57 pm

Arrow Flash

Not many are a fan, but the music from that game, not to mention a *few* of the mechanics grows on you.

Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:43 pm

Hey.... wait...

un·der·rate: Audio pronunciation of "Underrated" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ndr-rt)
tr.v. un·der·rat·ed, un·der·rat·ing, un·der·rates

To rate too low; underestimate.

If this is true, then why are people putting Cyvern on the list??!! All I hear is Praise for Cyvern!!

The most underrated shmups are Metal Black, Air Duel, Salamander II, Air Duel, Brave Blade, and Air Duel.

druuna · Post by **druuna** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:45 pm

yes "Disposable Hero" and "Gynoug" were 2 really good and underated games!!!
Gynoug was one of my first Megadrive games, I played it to death

"Battle Squadron" is a really good Amiga game too...there is also a Megadrive version!

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:38 pm

Darkcomet72 wrote:Hey.... wait...

un·der·rate: Audio pronunciation of "Underrated" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ndr-rt)
tr.v. un·der·rat·ed, un·der·rat·ing, un·der·rates

To rate too low; underestimate.
If this is true, then why are people putting Cyvern on the list??!! All I hear is Praise for Cyvern!!

The most underrated shmups are Metal Black, Air Duel, Salamander II, Air Duel, Brave Blade, and Air Duel.

Metal Black is indeed underrated. I thought everyone loved Salamander II? If not, then yes, it is underrated as it kicks mucho ass!

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:53 pm

Darkcomet72 wrote:If this is true, then why are people putting Cyvern on the list??!! All I hear is Praise for Cyvern!!

Maybe the wording could have been more specific, but Icarus said to mention any games which didn't get (in our opinions) "enough discussion OR love." So I think games that get praise (but not enough of it) qualify.

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:11 am

Cyvern, definitely
Dragon Breed
Hellfire
Gemini Wing
Thunderforce 2
S.C.A.T

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:21 am

Twinbee
Aero Fighters
Gradius III SNES
Star Soldier
Overhead sections of Axelay
Super Nova SNES
Forgotten Worlds Genesis

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:37 am

Put me down as another Brave Blade fan. It may not be Raizing's best, but it's one heck of a fun game.

Ditto for Guardian Force too. Looks awkward at first, but once you get comfortable with the controls (set the turret rotation controls to the shoulder buttons!) a fantastically designed and very lengthy game opens itself up to you.

BulletMagnet wrote:Maybe the wording could have been more specific, but Icarus said to mention any games which didn't get (in our opinions) "enough discussion OR love." So I think games that get praise (but not enough of it) qualify.

I'm not really fussy about definition. If you think a game is great, but it doesn't get much discussion or love, then lay your opinions on the table

There's plenty of hidden gems out there, more people should know about them.

it290 · Post by **it290** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:55 am

Seems to be a bit of an Amiga theme going on here, so I'll throw a couple in:

Stardust and Super Stardust. Both these games are incredible. Play the tunnel sequence (preferably on a real machine) and wonder how the hell they did that.

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:06 am

Oh, I forgot to add. Uridium 2. It rocks.

gs68 · Post by **gs68** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:01 am

Gradius III SNES

Really? Last time I recall, everyone and their daddy enjoyed this game, especially those who have played the arcade/PS2 versions.

Oh, I forgot to add. Uridium 2. It rocks.

I don't like Iridion 2. As impressive as the graphics and sound are, your ship's hitbox is HUGE, and scoring is based too much on charge shots and accuracy, making most weapons like the multi-direction shot and radial gun obsolete.

Anyways, I'd have to go with:

- 1941
- 1944
- Giga Wing
- Dangar UFO Robo
- Gradius Gaiden (in comparision to Gradius V)
- Darius R
- Super Nova (more liek Darius Force am i rite?)
- Area 88 (arcade)

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:08 am

gs68 wrote:
Icarus wrote:Oh, I forgot to add. Uridium 2. It rocks.
I don't like Iridion 2. As impressive as the graphics and sound are, your ship's hitbox is HUGE, and scoring is based too much on charge shots and accuracy, making most weapons like the multi-direction shot and radial gun obsolete.

Are you sure you're not confusing Uridium 2 (the Amiga multiscroller, the one I love) with Iridion 2 (the hideous GBA game)?

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:23 am

Psyvariar Medium Unit
Psyvariar Revision
Ray Crisis
Border Down
Internal Section
Gaplus

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:04 am

Icarus wrote:
gs68 wrote:
Icarus wrote:Oh, I forgot to add. Uridium 2. It rocks.
I don't like Iridion 2. As impressive as the graphics and sound are, your ship's hitbox is HUGE, and scoring is based too much on charge shots and accuracy, making most weapons like the multi-direction shot and radial gun obsolete.
Are you sure you're not confusing Uridium 2 (the Amiga multiscroller, the one I love) with Iridion 2 (the hideous GBA game)?

Uridium 2 and Iridion 2 are completely different games, but hideous for Iridion II is a matter of opinion. It has flaws, but there is much more that it does well, and I'm not just talking about the graphics and sound. I rather like the game. I liked playing the original Uridium on PC back when I was younger. Uridium is a classic multi-directional shmup and Uridium 2 is its sequel.

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:53 am

Darkcomet72 wrote:Hey.... wait...

un·der·rate: Audio pronunciation of "Underrated" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ndr-rt)
tr.v. un·der·rat·ed, un·der·rat·ing, un·der·rates

To rate too low; underestimate.

I really wish I could stab people in the face over the internet.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:37 am

black mariah wrote: I really wish I could stab people in the face over the internet.

I really wish you would've read the thread.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:49 am

I'd say zero win gis definitely underrated.

It's written off as a sub-par toaplan shooter, but it doeshave unique and interesting ideas in it.

There's a lot of NES shooters that jut don't get the attention they deserve. so many, in fac,t that I can't go name them all (laugh). That said, Zanac idoesn't get much discussion and it's mighty fine.

In the rcades, here are some that get no respect around here that I've spotted.
1) SIlkworm. still quite innovative. best with two players. Appears to have some nasty rank hidden in it's code though that affects the boss attacks primarily.
2) Thundercade. no one ever talks about this one. but i found it a blast to play. sort of manic and not manic at the same time.
3) GOndomania. This one needs it's twistystick. it's only a shadow o fits former glory in MAME. fast, but not namic.
4) SIdeArms, but only when played at maximum difficulty (laugh). bumping up the difficulty gives the bosses extra attacks!
5) Slap Fight. one of the coolest shmup secrets ever, and some unique challenges.
6) Gaplus/Galaga 3. This is a suprizingly manic version of galaga for it's age. And using a capture beam on enemies and taking them for yoursef is priceless!

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:24 am

As I pointed out in the top 25 thread, Air Buster seems to be underrated. I think it's an excellent game, with gfx and sound that are at least par for the time. It's two-player, has a modest selection of weapons (and even if you lose 'em all your ship isn't helpless), gameplay varies between the levels, and difficulty is right where I like it.

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:28 am

black mariah wrote:I really wish I could stab people in the face over the internet.

black mariah: Do not post physical threat innuendo comments of this nature towards other forum members. This is in violation of the Forum Rules. Your history of objectionable comments means that I have to point out again, ongoing repeat of such behavior may lead to loss of your access to the forum.

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:08 am

Thunder Force wrote:
black mariah wrote:I really wish I could stab people in the face over the internet.
black mariah: Do not post physical threat innuendo comments of this nature towards other forum members. This is in violation of the Forum Rules. Your history of objectionable comments means that I have to point out again, ongoing repeat of such behavior may lead to loss of your access to the forum.

Fine then. I wish I could stab people with a perfectly safe and non-injurous Nerf object of the stabeess choice over the internet. Better?

roushimsx · Post by **roushimsx** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:59 am

Shienryu

It always gets written off as a mediocre Raiden clone, but I like it more than Raiden and it's one of my favorite Saturn shmups. They really cleaned up the control and levels from Daioh and took it from crappy Raiden clone territory (lol @ Mad Shark) to friggin' sweet shmup land.

Loved it on Saturn, liked it on Playstation, damn near married the PS2 version.

MNK · Post by **MNK** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:23 pm

Lyle wrote:Prehistorik Isle 2. Amongst my top 5 Neo shmups. But most people seem to find it ugly and boring.

I'll second that. It's a really fun shooter that offers something different and at the same time has that 'high production' feeling, just like Blazing Star.

TerminasluT · Post by **TerminasluT** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:50 pm

Kamui - This game freaking rules, shame that its so hard to find...

Geppy X 70's robot anime - Not that great gameplay wise, but its so crazy that its allway been a personal favorite

Darkcomet72 · Post by **Darkcomet72** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 11:43 pm

More Underrated shooters:

Iridion 2, Gradius IV, 1944 the loop master, Kingdom Grandprix, Axelay.

Icarus, no. If I was to "not be fussy about the defenition", my list would be too long.

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 12:13 am

Darkcomet72 wrote:Icarus, no. If I was to "not be fussy about the defenition", my list would be too long.

That's fine. Like I said, I'M not too fussy about the definition, so I leave that decision to the person who replies to the thread.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 1:17 am

Dead Moon - TG16
Psychosis - TG16
Incoming - Dreamcast (GREAT Game!!!)
Alpha Mission 2 - Neo-Geo
Hellfire - Genesis
Thunderforce 2 - Genesis

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Wed Jul 27, 2005 4:59 am

Axelay is commonly regarded as one of the "best" 16 bit shmups...which makes it IMHO overrated, not underrated....IMHO it doesn't even hold a candle to any of the TF games...

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:37 am

Marc wrote: Gynoug on MD seems to be reasonably well-regarded, but should be much better thought of than it seems to be IMO. Beautiful graphics, amazing soundtracks, solidly designed, and a well-paced difficulty curve. One of the MD's finest shooters.

Oh yeah. I just played past the third stage today, and boy was I amazed by the artwork! There are some really bizarre, unique and totally awesome character designs in this game! It seemed dull at first, but as I said, really picks up from the third boss and on. Some of the bullets patterns (yes, actual patterns to navigate through in a Mega Drive game!) are really well designed and the music fits the game perfectly. I'm very impressed by this little gem, it'll get a lot of playtime from this day and on!

RoninBuddha · Post by **RoninBuddha** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 5:26 am

well for one, i would like to say that PC-Engine SHMUPS dont get any much praise... Gunhed, Soldier Blade, Tatsujin, Coryoon, Aldynes, Burning Angel and AeroBlasters (imo, much better than the Genesis port, less flicker and better sound)... are examples..

but my fave on the PCE (CD) is the Cho Aniki series... ok, ok ok ok, before you get any ideas... i personally like it a lot... not because of the gameplay which is Good enough imo (esp. Ai Cho Aniki), but because of the Humor, but this humor is not for everybody, but i works for me... especially funny if you understand and appreciate japanese humor/culture... even the oh so GROSS PS1 Cho Aniki: Kyuukyoku Muteki Ginga Saikyou Otoko, i liked, becuz of its campyness and oddness..., yet it does get freaky and disturbing at times...
heres a screenshot for teh uninitiated.. hehehe
http://www.classicgaming.com/reviews/ch ... o-ps22.jpg