Beat 'Em Ups

shmupnewb · Post by **shmupnewb** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:45 am

sengoku3 is my fave beeat'emup . i dont think ppl give that game the recognition it deserves.. the fluidity of the combo system is unmatched in a beatmup IMO.

alpha5099 · Post by **alpha5099** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:01 pm

Oh rueful fates, what petty games thou playeth with man's soul. A dagger betwixt my breast, for I have, as Pandora of antiquity doth opened that hateful box, unleashed a spiteful war of words. I dreamed nothing but to speak kind words and honey of a most beloved manner of games, but instead have ignited a debate as heated as all of Hephaestus' mighty volcanic kiln, from whence Zeus' fearful thunderbolts were born. And as the gods of yore rained their fury upon the earth, Zounds, words as bileful as the asp that undid the fair Cleopatra are hurled with disregard for all decency. And as speakers born from the tongues of the eloquent purple-clad orators of ancient Rome turn against their linguistical kinsmen, I cast my gauntlet to the sullen ground, and defy the heavens to spawn a picker of more nits, as none as every walked the cursed earth as have congregated within this blighted thread.

(Sorry, had to get in on the talking funny. And the know-it-all in me must point out Shakespeare isn't Old English. Old English is stuff like Beowulf, and it's completely unitelligible.)

roushimsx · Post by **roushimsx** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:12 pm

Started playing Predator Concrete Jungle today

Graphics are average and the control is ok (really hampered by a horrible camera). Would not recommend picking this one up for any more than $5-$10

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 2:26 am

alpha5099 wrote:
(Sorry, had to get in on the talking funny. And the know-it-all in me must point out Shakespeare isn't Old English. Old English is stuff like Beowulf, and it's completely unitelligible.)

It is late middle English and, according to some recent findings (sorry, i can't provide any bibliography right now) they spoke it like early middle english ( "toh beh or not toh beh" or, well, pre-wovel shift). Beowulf was written in one of the Old English dialects (don't remember which one) and happens to be perfectly intellegible if you learn the said dialect.

Ah, and i like aliens vs predator ( cps2) more than any other in the genre, but i think i'm forgetting something...

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:10 am

alpha5099 wrote:(Sorry, had to get in on the talking funny. And the know-it-all in me must point out Shakespeare isn't Old English. Old English is stuff like Beowulf, and it's completely unitelligible.)

Well, yeah, but I wasn't about to start trying to talk like that.

alpha5099 · Post by **alpha5099** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:06 am

Randorama wrote:
alpha5099 wrote:
(Sorry, had to get in on the talking funny. And the know-it-all in me must point out Shakespeare isn't Old English. Old English is stuff like Beowulf, and it's completely unitelligible.)
It is late middle English and, according to some recent findings (sorry, i can't provide any bibliography right now) they spoke it like early middle english ( "toh beh or not toh beh" or, well, pre-wovel shift). Beowulf was written in one of the Old English dialects (don't remember which one) and happens to be perfectly intellegible if you learn the said dialect.

Ah, and i like aliens vs predator ( cps2) more than any other in the genre, but i think i'm forgetting something...

Hmm, maybe it's a point of contention among linguists, but I've generally heard Shakespeare's language described as Early Modern English. Perhaps it's a transitional period, and calling it either Modern or Middle English wouldn't be entirely accurate.

I took a course last summer on Shakespeare, and the professor mentioned some interesting things about how they spoke back then. He said that historians believe that Romeo and Juliet really did take two hours back then, as the prologue states, they talked faster back then and audiences were far more atuned to fast banter than we are. The professor likened it to our ability to absorb mass amounts of fast-paced visual images from watching commercials and music videos. If someone from Elizabethen England was shown a 30 second commercial, they'd be just as baffled by the barrage of split second cuts as we would if we tried to follow the back-and-forth of an original Shakespeare performance.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:40 am

alpha5099 wrote:

Hmm, maybe it's a point of contention among linguists, but I've generally heard Shakespeare's language described as Early Modern English. Perhaps it's a transitional period, and calling it either Modern or Middle English wouldn't be entirely accurate.

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Yes, this is something i studied in undergrad school in 2001 (ehr, i think) and in that year, the official version was changing, as there seem to be some proofs (appearing in these years) that the great vowel shift occured in the second half of the seventeenth century.Also, it seems that the change was quite abrupt (i.e. in thirty years, or two generations, it was complete), so it's more about a phase of overlapping than a distinct difference: one typical case involves new generations speaking in a different way, for instance.

Vaguely on topic: i would also Double Dragon and Metamorphic force, the latter for the extremely fast pace...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:42 am

A few days ago Streets of Rage 2 was stumbled apon once again, and now I cannot believe how much this game kicked ass. Streets of Rage 3 is lacking something, but the music is nice.

Really, it is surprising that the fourth title which was cancelled for dreamcast didn't make it's way to PS2.

Melf · Post by **Melf** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:11 pm

Randorama wrote: Beowulf was written in one of the Old English dialects (don't remember which one) and happens to be perfectly intellegible if you learn the said dialect.

...or if you know German.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 11:52 pm

Some of my favorite beat 'em ups are Double Dragon, Simpsons Arcade, Final Fight, Streets of Rage 2, TMNT IV Turtles in Time, X-Men arcade (the Konami one), Golden Axe, and Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder (the second arcade game). I love the GBA remake of Double Dragon. It kicks much butt!

DaBoss · Post by **DaBoss** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:12 am

I don't know, I think the X-Men Arcade game is much more praised for its nostalgic factor than its actual gameplay quality. The game gets so repetitive and there is absolutely no difference between the characters other than style. That's a real downer when you have so many characters.

BTW, I'll ask once more ":^)" Does anyone wanna talk tiers?

DaBoss · Post by **DaBoss** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:48 am

Just for the heck of it, I'll list all the beat em ups I own on Mame, and if anyone wants to talk strats/rankings/tiers on any of these games, let me know ":^)"

64th Street
Alien Storm
Alien vs. Predator
Arabian Magic
Armored Warriors
Asterix
Battle Circuit
Battle Toads
Blade Master
Bucky O' Hare
Burning Fight
Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
Captain American and The Avengers
Captain Commando
Combattribes
Crime Fighters
Crime Fighters 2/ Vendetta
Crude Buster/ Two Crude
Crystal of Kings
Double Dragon
Double Dragon II
Double Dragon 3
Downtown
Dungeon Magic
Dungeons and Dragons: Shadow Over Mystara
Dungeons and Dragons: Tower of Doom
Dynamite Dux
Final Fight
Gaia Crusaders
Gang Wars
Gauntlet
Golden Axe
Golden Axe - Revenge of Death Adder
Growl/ Runark
Guardians/ Denjin Makai II
Guardians of the Hood
Hook
Judge Dredd
Karate Blazers
King of Dragons
Knights of the Round
Knights of Valour Plus
Knuckle Bash
Legend of Silkroad
Metamorphic Force
Mutation Nation
Ninja Baseball Batman
Ninja Clowns
Ninja Gaiden/ Ninja Ryukenden/ Shadow Warrior
Ninja Kids
Oriental Legend
POW - Prisoners of War
Pretty Soldier Sailor Moon
Punisher
Renegade
Riot City
Robo Army
Sengoku 3
Shadow Force
Silent Dragon
Simpsons
TMNT
TMNT - Turtles in Time
Tough Turf
Undercover Cops
Violent Storm
Warrior Blade/ Rastan Saga 3
Warriors of Fate
X-Men

There. That's all I have. If there are any other good ones, let me know please. Also, let's talk tiers ":^)"

Arcatech · Post by **Arcatech** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:10 pm

Hey DaBoss, I've been playing Final Fight since god knows when, and I love it to death.

To easily get past the flames on the factory stage just don't move up or down when you start. For some reason your character starts in the perfect stop to not get hit by the flames.

On one credit, the farthest i've gotten is the endurance stage with Abigale. Its too long and I just can't make it thru.

Check out this webpage to see a really nice input file for mame: http://www.aiva.emuita.it/capitolo_records.php

Somehow the player knows how to get gold bars and diamonds out of each crate and barrel. I've searched high and low on the internet to figure out how to do this, but can never get an answer.

Final Fight will probable always be my fav beat em up.

DaBoss · Post by **DaBoss** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 9:39 pm

AFXisatwin:

Nice to see another serious beat em up player. Your strategy for the fire stage works like a charm. Thanks ":^)" How do you do on the section with three Andores. You know, the part on the elevator. I can almost never manage to beat that section without losing a life. Pretty annoying.

BTW, I use Guy. What about you? And do you play any other beat em ups?

Just to list tiers real quick, I would rank Haggar as the best, Guy as the worst, and Cody in between.

Most of the time, Guy's defense and offensive strength is just a bit too low to handle the huge crowds thrown at you in this game. You REALLY need to know how to move effectively, or your going to lose a lot of lives really quickly.

Cody has a bit more strength and defense, and his ability to use knives is REALLY helpful because there are SO many of those available to you.

Haggar is just TOO strong in this game: probably the best big man of any beat em up. Plus, his defense is really high, too. And that pile driver of his is a great crowd clearer, while doing massage damage to the unlucky individual.

kong · Post by **kong** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:00 pm

The guys that made Alien Hominid have released a new freeware flash beat em up, Dad'n Me. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/254456

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 11:14 pm

kong wrote:The guys that made Alien Hominid have released a new freeware flash beat em up, Dad'n Me. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/254456

Thanks for the link, it's rather fun, esp the design

alpha5099 · Post by **alpha5099** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:09 am

I just got Final Fight One and River City Ransom EX from EB yesterday.

FFO is pretty great, although it's fucked up that you have to unlock the ability to give yourself a proper number of lives. 6? That's a bit much. I like the Alpha versions of the characters. I just wish there was Alpha Haggar. I know, I know, Haggar wasn't a character in any of the SFA games. But they could've designed a new Haggar. I think it would've been a very nice touch. Also, the oh so nice illustration from Shinkiro on the Capcom screen is just an awful tease once you see the heinous in game artwork for the characters.

I haven't gotten far in RCR yet, but it seems good. Controls are a tad weird, having to push A and B to jump, and I need to figure out what all the items do. I did find the Emo CD, that's one of the greatest lines in a video game. "Alex used the Emo. Alex stared down at his shoes and cried. Alex's toughness rose by 10."

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Fri Jul 29, 2005 9:30 pm

alpha5099 wrote:I just got Final Fight One and River City Ransom EX from EB yesterday.

FFO is pretty great, although it's fucked up that you have to unlock the ability to give yourself a proper number of lives. 6?

I found the GBA version too easy myself, then I played the arcade version via mame and I was completly "served"

Arcatech · Post by **Arcatech** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:39 am

Some more Final Fight info (sorry if this puts everyone to sleep)

Three Andores is fairly easy, but it can be kind of random because the andores are fairly quick to attack when they get up. If your using Cody, throw the andore that was on the left to the right side with the others, then just get very close to them. Then just punch as quick as you can. With Haggar, pick up a pipe or a sword since he swings these faster. Sorry, but I don't have a strategy with Guy, since I rarely use him.

I almost always use Cody. He punches extremely fast and I can perform his infinite fairly well. Also, when I'm getting my butt kicked, I'll just pick up a knife.

With regards to tiers, I do agree that Haggar is very powerful, but each character is not too unbalanced. I've seen a couple 1CCs with guy.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:37 am

SheSaidDutch wrote:
alpha5099 wrote:I just got Final Fight One and River City Ransom EX from EB yesterday.

FFO is pretty great, although it's fucked up that you have to unlock the ability to give yourself a proper number of lives. 6?

I found the GBA version too easy myself, then I played the arcade version via mame and I was completly "served"

Too easy on the harder modes without using the Alpha characters?

SheSaidDutch · Post by **SheSaidDutch** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 11:22 am

BrianC wrote:
SheSaidDutch wrote:
alpha5099 wrote:I just got Final Fight One and River City Ransom EX from EB yesterday.

FFO is pretty great, although it's fucked up that you have to unlock the ability to give yourself a proper number of lives. 6?

I found the GBA version too easy myself, then I played the arcade version via mame and I was completly "served"
Too easy on the harder modes without using the Alpha characters?

Yep....although that was when I was playing the game non-stop