Are iPhone games real shmups?

[tommyb]

I've been playing a lot of ESPGaluda 2 on my iPhone recently, and having a lot of fun with it.

No matter how much fun it is, I still don't know whether I consider it a real shmup or not. What are your opinions?

[mesh control]

[drunkninja24]

Ummm....what? What exactly do you define as a "real" shmup?

[sunburstbasser]

Shooting, scoring, dodging.

Arguably, 2D plane for the gameplay.

If you've got all those, it might be a shmup.

[AraraSPAMWitch]

Are cookbooks Real Books?!
Are LCDs Real Televisions?!
Are 360 pads Real Controllers?!
Are sporks Real Utensils?!
Are Filipinos Real Asians?!

[ncp]

Are shmups real iPhone games?

[Elixir]

Now, if you're playing a shmup.. on a telephone, you will never, in a trillion years, experience the shmup. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, cheated. It's a.. such a sadness, that you think you've played the shmup on your fucking telephone. Get real.

[TLB]

Are cookbooks Real Books?!
Are LCDs Real Televisions?!
Are 360 pads Real Controllers?!
Are sporks Real Utensils?!
Are Filipinos Real Asians?!

WAIT...Are you suggesting Filipinos are really asians?!?!?!

[TonK]

Now, if you're playing a shmup.. on a telephone, you will never, in a trillion years, experience the shmup. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, cheated. It's a.. such a sadness, that you think you've played the shmup on your fucking telephone. Get real.

You're a fucking moron.

[CStarFlare]

Actually, I think he's joking.

[TonK]

Actually, I think he's joking.

Hard to tell, as he basically said the same thing about watching movies on a phone.

[TLB]

Now, if you're playing a shmup.. on a telephone, you will never, in a trillion years, experience the shmup. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, cheated. It's a.. such a sadness, that you think you've played the shmup on your fucking telephone. Get real.

You're a fucking moron.

so this is that TonK guy eh he seems like quite the big shot look he even called elixir a fucking moron wow he's so qualified to say that in fact he's so qualified that every post he makes should cost $850 and come with PCB feet

[Elixir]

Now, if you're playing a shmup.. on a telephone, you will never, in a trillion years, experience the shmup. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, cheated. It's a.. such a sadness, that you think you've played the shmup on your fucking telephone. Get real.

You're a fucking moron.

Now, if you're selling a game within a week of buying it... you will never, in a trillion years, experience the game. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, sucked in. It's a.. such a disgrace, that you think you've experienced the game on your fucking cab. Get real.

[Warp_Rattler]

Are cookbooks Real Books?!

Hell no! They're like some snooty chef who think your cooking sucks and is always ordering you around your own kitchen, only the chef is transformed into text so the gullible let down their guard and invite it into their home.

[Rob]

Hard to tell, as he basically said the same thing about watching movies on a phone.

Elixir is David Lynch. Sweet.

[core]

Are cookbooks Real Books?!
Are LCDs Real Televisions?!
Are 360 pads Real Controllers?!
Are sporks Real Utensils?!
Are Filipinos Real Asians?!

WAIT...Are you suggesting Filipinos are really asians?!?!?!

I'm more concerned about the shit storm that is about to erupt over that spork remark.

[Dragoforce]

I just sometimes wonder if you guys are real people or just amusement bots.

[chempop]

I just sometimes wonder if you guys are real people or just amusement bots.

haha Dragoforce just awakened to the system11 conspiracy, you win a suction cup!

The sad thing is that there are plenty of people here who would play a shmup on the PSP or DS without any issues, but as soon as something far superior comes along for iPhone they'll cmplain about it and get all pissy before even trying it.

For me personally, the iPhone screen is too small for shmups, but the iPad is a whole other story - now only if it was possible to plug in a controller using the USB camera adaptor we'd all have iPads by now! <reflect flame barrier up!>

[njiska]

Are cookbooks Real Books?!
Are LCDs Real Televisions?!
Are 360 pads Real Controllers?!
Are sporks Real Utensils?!
Are Filipinos Real Asians?!

Yes
FUCK NO
Yes
Hell Yes
and That's a very good question. Let's ask the Spanish.

[Matsunaga]

Now, if you're playing a shmup.. on a telephone, you will never, in a trillion years, experience the shmup. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, cheated. It's a.. such a sadness, that you think you've played the shmup on your fucking telephone. Get real.

You're a fucking moron.

Now, if you're selling a game within a week of buying it... you will never, in a trillion years, experience the game. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, sucked in. It's a.. such a disgrace, that you think you've experienced the game on your fucking cab. Get real.

This coming from someone who uses strategy guides to beat RPG's......

[BulletMagnet]

BulletMagnet Is Watching This Thread

[Octopod]

Do these things use touch or motion controls? I can't imagine them being any good but I don't really know.

[Elixir]

This coming from someone who uses strategy guides to beat RPG's......

RPGs don't cost me $850 and will eventually have either party running to a strategy guide when they get stuck. Strategy guide reference is probably even more common for shmup players over RPG players.

I don't usually use guides (I can't even think of the last 10 games which I had to), but if your idea of fun is running through a jRPG multiple times to get 100% instead of just using a guide to begin with, more power to you.

[the2bears]

Do Androids Dream of Electric Shmups?

[Evrain]

Okay, I'll try to put down the flames with a question: can games be output to TV via the universal dock? If so, can I use an iPod Touch 3g with such a cable to just use the device as a controller whilst playing on a larger screen?
Or Apple screwed us with that aswell?

[PC Engine Fan X!]

It's mentioned in fellow shmupper Spadgy's recent writeup about the interview with Cave that they simply used code from the arcade PCB version of ESPgaluda II for the iPhone version of the same name -- was an experiment to see if it was feasible (it's doable). So Cave has no trouble porting it's current arcade PCB catalog to the iPhone/iPad platform as they see fit. Sure'd be nice if a proper D-pad or joystick controller hack to such an iPhone or iPad was feasible -- might take some tinkering around to pull off successfully though.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[TonK]

Now, if you're playing a shmup.. on a telephone, you will never, in a trillion years, experience the shmup. You'll think you have experienced it--but you'll be... ahem, cheated. It's a.. such a sadness, that you think you've played the shmup on your fucking telephone. Get real.

You're a fucking moron.

so this is that TonK guy eh he seems like quite the big shot look he even called elixir a fucking moron wow he's so qualified to say that in fact he's so qualified that every post he makes should cost $850 and come with PCB feet

What does this even mean?

[Skykid]

Do Androids Dream of Electric Shmups?

Bill

That made me laugh.

But the 'Bill' is kind of killing it.

[sunburstbasser]

Do these things use touch or motion controls? I can't imagine them being any good but I don't really know.

There are a few motion control games, but the only shmups I've played all used touch controls.

Movement is actually not bad, I don't think. Your ship follows the movements of your finger. So you control speed as well as direction, making dodging more manageable. Tip: Always use Relative Controls. Icarus-X allows for Direct Control where the ship is always under your finger, and it doesn't work well.

Shooting is a little harder. Most shmups either have your shots always on, or on when touching the screen. Tapping twice or touching with two fingers can be used to activate bombs or other weapons.

I'd prefer an actual controller, but I can live with touch controls even on the small screen of my iPod Touch. I'd imagine the iPad is much more convenient.

[Octopod]

Do these things use touch or motion controls? I can't imagine them being any good but I don't really know.

There are a few motion control games, but the only shmups I've played all used touch controls.

Movement is actually not bad, I don't think. Your ship follows the movements of your finger. So you control speed as well as direction, making dodging more manageable. Tip: Always use Relative Controls. Icarus-X allows for Direct Control where the ship is always under your finger, and it doesn't work well.

Shooting is a little harder. Most shmups either have your shots always on, or on when touching the screen. Tapping twice or touching with two fingers can be used to activate bombs or other weapons.

I'd prefer an actual controller, but I can live with touch controls even on the small screen of my iPod Touch. I'd imagine the iPad is much more convenient.

Huh. Well I guess it would be cool if they would release these for Android phones and had keyboard support so you could play them with the game gripper. I imagine they will eventually make their way over.