Sony = WTF?

[neorichieb1971]

Im sure Sony are not a charity.

All they did was change the lock on the door for a better one.

[Skykid]

I just reckon the hackers will go to work on the XMB instead now.

Have hard drive? Get hacked.

[adversity1]

Yo how do you have a copy of LP2 already?

[cools]

LOL modern consoles.

[gundamalpha]

And my PS3 which couldn't read any BD movies nor games after 3.21 update is now bricked after the 3.30 update

[kernow]

What 3.30 update?

[MadScientist]

The 3.30 update was up this morning.

[Ex-Cyber]

I just reckon the hackers will go to work on the XMB instead now.

That and/or the Blu-ray drive, for those who are solely interested in warez (cf. Xbox 360, where warez is a lot easier than homebrew because the drive itself is nowhere near as locked down as the main system). Anyway, a few people have probably already dumped/decrypted the kernel of Game OS via geohot's exploit.

[ZOM]

What 3.30 update?

Flash player update and they toyed again with the internet browser's code - should load some media-heavy pages a bit faster now.

[kernow]

Updating now, all I seem to do on this thing recently is update, check store, upate, check store.

I can't remember the last thing I played on it, meh modern gaming, thank god for the SNES and JAMMA.

[MadScientist]

There have been 6 updates in the last 9 months. Doesn't seem like that excessive an amount really.

[antron]

just got this email:

Dear --------,

We are writing to provide you with notice of changes to the SCEA
Terms of Service and User Agreement and Privacy Policy, which will
be effective starting April 21, 2010.

Please visit http://playstation.innovyx.net/r?xPJcvT ... cJcnqvqnlP
to review the new terms and policy. The revised Terms of Service and
User Agreement and Privacy Policy apply to PlayStation(R)Network
account holders and their Sub Accounts. The revised Privacy Policy
also applies to any visitors to SCEA websites.

If you do not agree with the new Terms of Service and User Agreement
or Privacy Policy, please contact Customer Service to terminate your
PlayStation(R)Network account(s) and do not visit PlayStation(R)Network
or our websites. Continued use of your PlayStation(R)Network accounts
by you or your associated Sub Accounts means that you agree to the
new Terms of Service and User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Continued
use of any SCEA website means you agree to the new Privacy Policy.

If you have any questions or wish to terminate your accounts, please
contact Customer Service at http://playstation.innovyx.net/r?xPJcvT ... cJcnqvqnln

Sincerely,

PlayStation(R)Network

WTF?

[Skykid]

Updating now, all I seem to do on this thing recently is update, check store, upate, check store.

No really, this is what it feels like - non-stop updates and that's on top of the absolutely retarded amount of install time for games which honestly seems to do nothing except hog hard drive space cos they all still have plenty of loading screens. Sometimes the PS3 feels weirdly antiquated. It's new and modern, but somehow the functionality feels slightly out of date.

I can't remember the last thing I played on it, meh modern gaming, thank god for the SNES and JAMMA.

God damn, the fact we're in such agreement leaves me feeling like I need a cold shower.

just got this email:

Dear --------,

We are writing to provide you with notice of changes to the SCEA
Terms of Service and User Agreement and Privacy Policy, which will
be effective starting April 21, 2010.

Please visit http://playstation.innovyx.net/r?xPJcvT ... cJcnqvqnlP
to review the new terms and policy. The revised Terms of Service and
User Agreement and Privacy Policy apply to PlayStation(R)Network
account holders and their Sub Accounts. The revised Privacy Policy
also applies to any visitors to SCEA websites.

If you do not agree with the new Terms of Service and User Agreement
or Privacy Policy, please contact Customer Service to terminate your
PlayStation(R)Network account(s) and do not visit PlayStation(R)Network
or our websites. Continued use of your PlayStation(R)Network accounts
by you or your associated Sub Accounts means that you agree to the
new Terms of Service and User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Continued
use of any SCEA website means you agree to the new Privacy Policy.

If you have any questions or wish to terminate your accounts, please
contact Customer Service at http://playstation.innovyx.net/r?xPJcvT ... cJcnqvqnln

Sincerely,

PlayStation(R)Network

Er... what?!

[antron]

del

[Ed Oscuro]

More lols @ Sony for having wasted money on this feature and pulling it out later in the first place.

Why don't they get it over with and lock the sealed game box in an underground radioactive lair and charge people to view the footage by telescope? That should have them, the other movie studios, and the rest highly pleased. Of course then there's always the possibility of hacking the telescope video feed...damn things aren't glued to the eyes, you know, and you can tell somebody else what you saw.

[ncp]

just got this email:

Dear --------,

We are writing to provide you with notice of changes to the SCEA
Terms of Service and User Agreement and Privacy Policy, which will
be effective starting April 21, 2010.

Please visit ---
to review the new terms and policy. The revised Terms of Service and
User Agreement and Privacy Policy apply to PlayStation(R)Network
account holders and their Sub Accounts. The revised Privacy Policy
also applies to any visitors to SCEA websites.

If you do not agree with the new Terms of Service and User Agreement
or Privacy Policy, please contact Customer Service to terminate your
PlayStation(R)Network account(s) and do not visit PlayStation(R)Network
or our websites. Continued use of your PlayStation(R)Network accounts
by you or your associated Sub Accounts means that you agree to the
new Terms of Service and User Agreement and Privacy Policy. Continued
use of any SCEA website means you agree to the new Privacy Policy.

If you have any questions or wish to terminate your accounts, please
contact Customer Service at ---

Sincerely,

PlayStation(R)Network

WTF?

That's what ALL terms of service agreements say... never seen one before?

[antron]

do not visit PlayStation(R)Network or our websites

show me one that says that.

[ncp]

The "do not visit Playstation Network" part is pretty much standard. That's basically the equivalent of "do not use our service if you do not agree to the terms". The "or our websites" seems a bit unnecessary but hardly unexpected, if they consider their websites part of their services...

I find the whole "WE MAY AT ANY TIME TERMINATE YOUR ACCOUNT WITH OR WITHOUT REASON, WITH OR WITHOUT NOTICE TO YOU" (or similar, they all have that sort of thing) a bit more silly.

[ZOM]

Just to throw my opinion in here: I too think antron bolded out the wrong part(or bolded out too much of it), I think most of it is standard fare by almost any company offering such services, but this one here:

Continued
use of any SCEA website means you agree to the new Privacy Policy.

is totally disturbing; basically that one sentence could contain situations like, for example, me visiting a sony-published PS2's game website on a regular basis could mean that I have to agree with their PSN for PS3 and PSP policy? Yeah, right.

[Skykid]

Just to throw my opinion in here: I too think antron bolded out the wrong part(or bolded out too much of it), I think most of it is standard fare by almost any company offering such services, but this one here:

Continued
use of any SCEA website means you agree to the new Privacy Policy.

is totally disturbing; basically that one sentence could contain situations like, for example, me visiting a sony-published PS2's game website on a regular basis could mean that I have to agree with their PSN for PS3 and PSP policy? Yeah, right.

The tone of the whole thing, coupled with these statements, seems rather odd to me. Is this hypervisor thing really worrying them? Perhaps they've seen a hole in the pre-update FW that's ripe for exploitation.

I've chosen not to update my PS3 for the time being. Lost Planet 2 multiplayer can wait for the 360 version.

[antron]

del

[MadScientist]

show me one that says that.

First one I looked at;

"Acceptance of Terms of Use
These Terms of Use govern your use of the Netflix service and website. By using, visiting, or browsing the Netflix service or website, you accept and agree to be bound by these Terms of Use. If you do not agree to these Terms of Use, you should not use the Netflix service or website."

http://www.netflix.com/TermsOfUse#limitations

[Specineff]

Yo, that EULA shit don't have no legal value.

Or does it?

[brokenhalo]

i always loved the anti-EULA.

READ CAREFULLY. By reading this material you agree, on behalf of your employer, to release me from all obligations and waivers arising from any and all NON-NEGOTIATED agreements, licenses, terms-of-service, shrinkwrap, clickwrap, browsewrap, confidentiality, non-disclosure, non-compete and acceptable use policies that I have entered into with your employer, its partners, licensors, agents and assigns, in perpetuity, without prejudice to my ongoing rights and privileges. You further represent that you have the authority to release me from these agreement on behalf of your employer.

[Ex-Cyber]

Yo, that EULA shit don't have no legal value.

Or does it?

It's fuzzy, at least in the US. Judges and scholars disagree, and that's always a recipe for a fun time in court. See e.g. Vault v. Quaid, Step-Saver v. Wyse, and ProCD v. Zeidenberg.

AFAIK, US courts have consistently ruled against companies that tried to enforce their EULA terms against people who never installed the software (e.g. if someone buys the "educational" version of a software package whose EULA prohibits resale, then sells it on eBay, that's covered by copyright and first-sale doctrine; the EULA simply does not apply). So there's at least that.

[antron]

show me one that says that.

First one I looked at;

"Acceptance of Terms of Use
These Terms of Use govern your use of the Netflix service and website. By using, visiting, or browsing the Netflix service or website, you accept and agree to be bound by these Terms of Use. If you do not agree to these Terms of Use, you should not use the Netflix service or website."

http://www.netflix.com/TermsOfUse#limitations

touché

[PC Engine Fan X!]

There's the odd-ball Atari Jaguar EULA that was written and included with every 1st-party & 3rd-party published Atari Jag game during it's short lifespan has a statement that says:

"If you don't agree or abide with the terms & conditions of this "license agreement" between you and Atari Corporation, return the unopened package with proof of purchase to Atari or the dealer where you purchased the software. The purchase price will be refunded. The license is effective until terminated. You may terminate this agreement at any time by completely destroying the enclosed software (Atari Jaguar cartridge medium)."

Crazy but true.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~