Bullet Heaven (an interesting shmup-review show on YouTube).

[louisg]

I was enjoying the show too. BTW you can do tate on most normal TV sets, especially now that everything is LCD.

[NakedBoB]

!!wh-a--ba-=aw*0)%^#%*^u)_RRAAAAAaaaaaab!



Dear Serraxor,
We, the internet, like your show. You have set out to create a halfway decent show for people to enjoy watching. We can confirm it is a halfway decent show for people to enjoy watching. Some would say it is above halfway decent. Others think it is great, like the thread starter and all your youtube comments. Enclosed in this internet thread are considerations to take for future episodes, which are fairly easy to add since you have already accomplished the hardest parts of creating a review show. We are patiently awaiting to watch your future episodes. Actually, we would not wish for your show to end, because we do not think your show sucks. We do not think it sucks at all. You can go nowhere but up. Please do so.
Sincerely,
The Internet.

hey serraxor no one is saying they suck , they are pretty good but need refining which is where the forum comes in , research and post questions here on any title and we will give you the depths of the game to ensure your videos are filled with the appropriate information regarding the games system , you could even do the first half of vids aimed more towards casual players and focus more on the ins n outs of scoring in the second half or whatever .This forum is a resource use it.

What makes Bullet Heaven so neato is that Serraxor makes these all by himself and they're filled with his personality. It's his point of view on the games. It's his own music that he wrote (except for the stuff playing during the game scenes.) If you guys directed him on what to put in his videos then they become the Shmups Forum videos and not Serraxor's.

I kinda wonder that this is all really that you guys are jealous that you don't have your say in these things? (Return of the Comic Book Guy voice,) "It's not a true shmup review video unless we shmup experts provide the critical data. Everyone knows that Shikigami No Shiro 2's Japanese story is WAAAAYYY better than the US one. HE DOESN'T TATE!" Jeeze.

Maybe youse guys should band together and make your own shmup videos and see if you could do better? I seriously doubt they'd hold a candle to Bullet Heaven.

Love,
Naked BoB

[Klatrymadon]

I keep reading your posts in the voice of the Lobster Mobster from Sharkey and George.

You make a fair case, mate, but again, for people on this forum, it comes down to a paucity of serious historical and technical knowledge. People here are never going to get particularly excited about any video producer who doesn't really display these qualities, even if his heart's in the right place and his stuff is nicely put together. The vids won't contain enough information and insight for them, and won't be seen by them to be helpful in educating people who are new to the genre or who only play shooters now and again.

Having said that, though, I totally agree that you should never pour scorn on people who only want to spread the word, and these videos are still great.

[Rob]

He's trying to make this show hard to like.

[NakedBoB]

I keep reading your posts in the voice of the Lobster Mobster from Sharkey and George.

People have said that I sound like a cross between Kermit the Frog and Andre the Giant.

Love,
Naked BoB

[Dave_K.]

Wow, this was definitely not the kind of response I was looking for. Nerd rage makes me sad.

It sucks to know that the majority of the people out there that have watched my stuff think it sucks.

I'm a bit surprised you didn't expect that in todays day and age of the internet, where people revile in public anonymity, that a majority of any feedback is going to be negative. Its just not common for people to write back with positive opinions, but if people are upset over something (or just bored) - you bet your ass they will take the time to let you know about it. So don't let it get you down. I'm sure for every negative post, there are 10x people that were actually satisfied/appreciative of your hard work. It comes with the territory of posting compelling content I guess, and you do such a professional job, I was seriously impressed with the production aspect.

[Pirate1019]

I have no clue where you're conjuring up all of this imaginary negative feedback. All we said is that the show would be better if it was backed by good research. It's hard to call that anything but constructive criticism.

I don't know if your expectations of us were, but I think you're overreacting a little bit.

[Pirate1019]

[...] my reviews are aimed more at the curious, casual and the uninformed [...]

There's the trouble. We are not they. Most of the people who post here regularly aren't any of those three things. Essentially, you're reacting to criticism outside of your target demographic.

I wish I knew how to please everyone................

I can think of at least two famous phrases off of the top of my head saying that is a bad idea. You're gonna have to decide who you aim to please, even if it's nobody at all.

[Klatrymadon]

Even if the presentation is to people's liking, if the subject matter makes me seem like an 11-year-old girl winning 12 tickets to the super bowl, what's the point?

Well, of course, but I didn't say the videos lacked content, just a certain level of rigour that places like this will always spot and pounce on. I would tend to suggest that, given your stated aims, you shouldn't let this stop you, but if it does bother you, then keep playing and doing your homework, and soon even the snottiest tosser won't be able to find fault in them.

[charlie chong]

YOU HAVE DISSAPOINTED AND ANGERED OUR GOD OF SHOOT EM UP FACTS PC ENGINEFAN X WITH SUCH MISINFORMED RUBBISH . THEN YOU COME AND CRY ON A INTERNET AND START INSULTING PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU SEE YOUR INTERNET PERSONA AS HARCORE GAME GUY HAS BEEN DESTROYED

CALLING PEOPLE GEEKS WHEN YOUR THE FOOL WHO SPENT "THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS" ON A YOU TUBE SHOW. MOST OF US COULD DO BETTER THAN YOU WE JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRECIOUS TIME TO WASTE COS WE ACTUALLY PLAY THE GAMES AND HAVE JOBS AND LIFE

[Pulsewidth]

I enjoy the gameplay more than the score in these sorts of games

...and with this line you reveal your misunderstanding of the genre.

[Depth Charge]

..and with this line you reveal your misunderstanding of the genre.

I don't think that's really a misunderstanding of the genre. Shooters don't have to be played for score to enjoy them. Some games are just fun to play for survival. Some games have horrible scoring systems.

But yeah, I think the reviews could still use a little more info. Very light on substance.

Awesome intro music though.

[t0yrobo]

Not like the forum hasn't ever helped someone in making sure all their facts are straight in a review before...
Maybe you're confusing people that know a shit ton about the games with being elitist.

[louisg]

I kinda wonder that this is all really that you guys are jealous that you don't have your say in these things? (Return of the Comic Book Guy voice,) "It's not a true shmup review video unless we shmup experts provide the critical data. Everyone knows that Shikigami No Shiro 2's Japanese story is WAAAAYYY better than the US one. HE DOESN'T TATE!" Jeeze.

Maybe youse guys should band together and make your own shmup videos and see if you could do better? I seriously doubt they'd hold a candle to Bullet Heaven.

This is not the correct way to respond to constructive criticism.

[NakedBoB]

I kinda wonder that this is all really that you guys are jealous that you don't have your say in these things? (Return of the Comic Book Guy voice,) "It's not a true shmup review video unless we shmup experts provide the critical data. Everyone knows that Shikigami No Shiro 2's Japanese story is WAAAAYYY better than the US one. HE DOESN'T TATE!" Jeeze.

Maybe youse guys should band together and make your own shmup videos and see if you could do better? I seriously doubt they'd hold a candle to Bullet Heaven.

This is not the correct way to respond to constructive criticism.

That's because a lot of the (especially the early) criticism here was meant to be unconstructive and negative. Saying that someone doesn't know what he's talking about isn't constructive. That's an opinion and a defaming one at that.

I'd still like to see youse guys make your own video. DJI can do the music. Youse guys can talk a whole lot about TATE. How your SOs react when you flip a 50" projection TV on its side. It'd be awesome!

Love,
Naked BoB

[louisg]

I'd still like to see youse guys make your own video. DJI can do the music. Youse guys can talk a whole lot about TATE. How your SOs react when you flip a 50" projection TV on its side. It'd be awesome!

Yes, yes, we all have no talent here.. all we do is talk about tate and play video games..

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14318

..whoops!

[Rob]

That's because a lot of the (especially the early) criticism here was meant to be unconstructive and negative.

[NakedBoB]

I'd still like to see youse guys make your own video. DJI can do the music. Youse guys can talk a whole lot about TATE. How your SOs react when you flip a 50" projection TV on its side. It'd be awesome!

Yes, yes, we all have no talent here.. all we do is talk about tate and play video games..

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14318

..whoops!

I never said you guys weren't creative. I just want to see youse guys (especially the ones here doggin' on BH) make a show better than Bullet Heaven. If you guys were successful it'd only be a plus for the shmup community. The TATE stuff was just jokes.

Nice. Thanks for proving my point.

Love,
Naked BoB

[clp]

I'd still like to see youse guys make your own video. DJI can do the music. Youse guys can talk a whole lot about TATE. How your SOs react when you flip a 50" projection TV on its side. It'd be awesome!

Yes, yes, we all have no talent here.. all we do is talk about tate and play video games..

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14318

..whoops!

I never said you guys weren't creative. I just want to see youse guys (especially the ones here doggin' on BH) make a show better than Bullet Heaven. If you guys were successful it'd only be a plus for the shmup community.

Nice. Thanks for proving my point.

Love,
Naked BoB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAqYYLt5Ip8

The Pro reviews series is better than bullet heaven in every way and were made by someone within this very thread .

[t0yrobo]

I never said you guys weren't creative. I just want to see youse guys (especially the ones here doggin' on BH) make a show better than Bullet Heaven.

Yeah, and every movie/game/music/art/anything critic should shut up and make something better than the stuff they criticize. Sorry it doesn't work that way.

[Kollision]

Sadly, this thread has turned into one of the most explicit display of intolerance to criticism I've ever seen in a while.

Maybe some sayings could've benefited from a quick revision before being posted, but these were very few - and as with anything that's subject to criticism these will always pop up, no matter how good or crafted your work is.
We are all egocentric in our very hearts, but being this defensive all the time isn't a good way of dealing with it.

[NakedBoB]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAqYYLt5Ip8

The Pro reviews series is better than bullet heaven in every way and were made by someone within this very thread .

BUT HE DOESN'T TATE!!!

Just kiddin' (sorta). I'll check them out laters after lunch. Who made these? Don't see the correlation between the YouTube login and any of the forum users.

Is there anyone here currently making videos? These look to be from some while ago.

Love,
Naked BoB

[Acid King]

Is there anyone here currently making videos? These look to be from some while ago.

Most of the people here that make videos make gameplay vids, not review videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/DeeJyyIncompetent
http://www.youtube.com/user/RuldraReplays
http://www.youtube.com/user/Smraedis
http://www.youtube.com/user/IcarusFW

[louisg]

I know how crappy internet criticism can make you feel.. it's pretty impersonal, so even if someone has good intentions, it may be interpreted as nasty. Sure, I've been there.. it sucks. So the options are, what, 1. take the advice, 2. make note of it and disagree, 3. tell everyone they are full of it and leave the thread. I just don't think 3 is a great choice (not that I haven't had that reaction in the past myself).

And I think that most of the criticisms I've seen here haven't really been of the attack variety. They've mostly been valid points about tateing (which on older ports can dramatically change the gameplay.. it's not just a different view), or scoring (which is the sole point of so many modern shooters, and can add much depth and replay value to a game). And even though a lot of people on the thread said they enjoyed the show, the response was pretty tantrum-y, no offense.

Re: pro series.. word

[Udderdude]

Dear Serraxor:

Please find enclosed the following form for your convinence

http://rydia.net/udder/!crap/butthurt.png

[Rob]

Who made these?

I did. I know it can be time consuming to do a review even without anything more than commentary and poorly captured video, but it should be a comparatively small amount of time if anything worthwhile is going to be said. A fan of the genre reviewing whatever they like in their free time should be able to dig deeper than IGN.

Review old games like Gaiares and it's perfectly acceptable to skim the surface since there isn't much depth, but Shikigami has more going on than blasting and watching coins fall off of the screen. Obviously that will be noted on a forum dedicated to the genre.

[Taylor]

I really don't understand what happened to this thread. The opening posts read like this:

- Check these out!
- Good job!
- Definitely not a bad job, looking forward to more, could use some more research.
- I like the style.
- I can't wait for the next.
- Wow these comments are so positive this must an elaborate ruse! Are you somehow related?!
- It's amusing but needs more research.
- HOW CAN YOU BE SO CRUEL?!

And then just kind of continues. Weird.

[NakedBoB]

I really don't understand what happened to this thread. The opening posts read like this:

- Check these out!
- Good job!
- Definitely not a bad job, looking forward to more, could use some more research.
- I like the style.
- I can't wait for the next.
- Wow these comments are so positive this must an elaborate ruse! Are you somehow related?!
- It's amusing but needs more research.
- HOW CAN YOU BE SO CRUEL?!

And then just kind of continues. Weird.

Yeah, I know I've gotten outta hand. Most of my posts today were for my own amusement. What started all of this was the wording of the Twitter post, then DJ Incompetent's first comment here ruffled my feathers. I dunno why I'm bein' all crazy about this. They're not even my videos. Heh. Guess just bein' overprotective of my pal, just like youse guys are being of yours. All my silly postings aren't gonna change your minds even if I think that some of your comments were soundin' rather elitist.

I'm done for reals. Hope if I run into some of youse on the internets again it'll be under friendlier circumstances.

Love,
Naked BoB

P.S. TATE!!!

[clp]

so basically your just a fail troll who done all this to amuse yourself ? plus it is getting tiresome seeing this community labelled elitist for offering detailed information and knowledge is everyone who knows what there talking about elitist by default these days?

[DJ Incompetent]

These... posts have... ...been nothing but trouble. I'm out.

Ohhhh no no no no no. We ain't havin' this trollin'-esq post edit all changin' tha story shit. 'None of this Jay Leno crap. Fuck dat style!

I have no clue where you're conjuring up all of this imaginary negative feedback. All we said is that the show would be better if it was backed by good research.

Look at things from my perspective; nobody has said anything about research since BH's October Launch until now. So to have an entire board tell me I'm so wrong all at once, it's pretty easy to get the suck mentality, n'est pas?

I think I need to put things into better context here.

When I do a review of whatever I happen to be playing, it's mostly a very casual approach to something I'm interested in. If it's very playable, I'll look into it further. If not, I'll stick with my own opinions. Furthermore, since shooters aren't exactly setting the gaming scene on fire these days, my reviews are aimed more at the curious, casual and the uninformed, who might enjoy playing these sorts of games. If they choose to get obsessed with the high score, great, another devoted fan. If not, well, no trouble.

I enjoy the gameplay more than the score in these sorts of games, namely because I suck at playing them by all of your standards. I also highly enjoy art direction and sound design more than technical scoring systems. I understand that the whole point of a shooter is to get the highest score possible and if I happen to do that, well that's swell. I honestly don't think that I need to be able to 1cc every game that I play just to know what I'm talking about. That would be like having oh, I don't know, Dan Hsu have a perfect gamerscore for every Xbox 360 game he plays for him to know what he's talking about.

Hmm, so we potential viewers of your show are nerds. I could maybe agree with that...
But enraged? Why?

Well,

Somebody needs to hit him up with some nerdrage subculture education. If he claims to have beaten Ikaruga again without knowing about the shikigami attacks in SnS, he might need to be decked.

There's where I got Nerd Rage.

...I'm sure for every negative post, there are 10x people that were actually satisfied/appreciative of your hard work. It comes with the territory of posting compelling content I guess, and you do such a professional job, I was seriously impressed with the production aspect.

I'm glad to know that at least the production is good. But...

...for people on this forum, it comes down to a paucity of serious historical and technical knowledge. People here are never going to get particularly excited about any video producer who doesn't really display these qualities, even if his heart's in the right place and his stuff is nicely put together. The vids won't contain enough information and insight for them, and won't be seen by them to be helpful in educating people who are new to the genre or who only play shooters now and again.

The content to me was every bit as important at the presentation. Even if the presentation is to people's liking, if the subject matter makes me seem like an 11-year-old girl winning 12 tickets to the super bowl, what's the point?

Serraxor makes these all by himself

Even the 2-player sequences. One controller per hand.

...you can do tate on most normal TV sets, especially now that everything is LCD.

Working on that. Again, I'm pretty poor. Almost had a good one for $200, but again, Staples shafted me out of it...

I'm pretty sure that's the bulk of it. I wish I knew how to please everyone................