XRGB3 + Hauppauge HD-PVR (capturing device)

[akumajo]

Hello,

HD-PVR is a video recorder with component input,
link : http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hdpvr.html



Does anyone have this setup at home ? Does it works ?
Also, how do you connect XRGB3 to HD-PVR ?! vga or dvi-d to RCA Component Cable or something likes hdfury is needed ?

Thank you .

[Fudoh]

Does anyone have this setup at home ? Does it works ?

A friend has it at home. It does what it's supposed to do - and that quite nicely.

Also, how do you connect XRGB3 to HD-PVR ?!

you don't because the XRGB-3 can't output the resolutions the HD-PVR would accept (which is either SD interlaced or 720p or 1080i). Unfortunately the XRGB-3 does only output PC monitor resolutions.

The HD-PVR can nicely be used for direct capture from PS2 (480i component) and 720p (360 & PS3 via component). Paired with a proper video processor (e.g. iScan HD) you can use it to capture every source (240p, 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i) upscaled to one of the accepted resolutions. On other hand I'd rather choose a Blackmagic Intensity then.

[akumajo]

i dont understand
you can set xrgb to 640*480 and HD-PVR accept 480p/i
am i missing something?

[Fudoh]

To my knowledge the HD-PVR only accepts 480/576i, 720p and 1080i, not 480/576p. The XRGB-3 only supports 480p output, not 480i. If I'm wrong and the HD-PVR does accept 480p after all, then indeed, all you need is a VGA to component transcoder in between the two to record the VGA output of the XRGB.

My buddy is on holiday, so I can't ask him right now, but if you check the manual and find about the 480p-compatibility of the PVR, let us know!

[akumajo]

ok some links

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR ->

The HD PVR captures at resolutions from VGA/D1 (480i) up to 1080i, and encodes the component inputs in real time using the h.264/MPEG-4 video codec and the AAC audio codec.

http://www.raiden.net/print/articles/535/1/ ->

Hauppauge's HD-PVR is a video/audio capture device that samples "YPrPb" component video at HD resolutions of 480i (720x480 @ 30fps), 480p (720x480 @ 60fps), 720p (1280x720 @ 60fps) or 1080i (1920x1080 @ 30fps).

also, you can find a lots of video on youtube with Wii (480p), PS2 (480p) and PSP
HD PVR - Wii @ 480p : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6C0YIVWnLs
HD PVR - PS2 @ 480p : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXTjU81iuZQ
HD PVR - PSP : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pchJSs4FqeM

need to find extra informations about VGA/D1

that's why i think that it could works with XRGB3@640*480...

[Fudoh]

Very well, I stand corrected! I've followed endless discussions about D2 capture devices (480p) in the past the common sense was that the japanese PV4/5 cards and the Grass Valley Pegasus are the only D2 capture devices out there. Makes me wonder why (really) everyone missed the HD-PVR.

The first quote is technical nonsese though because VGA and D1 and two different formats. D1 is 480/576i while D2 is 480/576p and therefore similar to VGA. Youtube videos aren't a good reference, because Youtube reduces the framerate to 29.97fps whatever you do, so it doesn't matter if you upload a 480i or 480p video. It'll look about the same. The PSP video is very nice though and the comments notes the small screen size (480x272) which indeed hints to a real D2 signal.

I'll have a closer look at the machines revisions available here in Europe and might get one over the next days to give it a small testrun.

[akumajo]

master Fudoh to the rescue , now if this combo really works...

last thing, early revision of HD-PVR have problems with AC3 audio, Revisions C3, D2, and E1 are safe.


edit : this device is also sold in japan

at the bottom of the page it says that is compatible with 525i～1125i and 525p～720p -> http://wiki.livedoor.jp/ahdtv/d/Hauppauge%20HD%20PVR
525p = D2 480p ? check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D-Terminal

some pub : http://www.mustardseed.co.jp/products/h ... d_pvr.html

[akumajo]

any update master fudoh ? :p

[Fudoh]

not yet on my side, but somebody on a german board I'm on bought a HD PVR recently and he tested 480p and 576p and both worked fine. He's using Mac OSX though, but this shouldn't be a problem. The hardware itself seems perfectly capable of 480p which is the important fact

Quality is quite nice as well. 480p at 5mbit look pretty much perfect. What's bothering me a bit it that the bad editability of the clips due to the missing of a VfW h.264 codec. In other words, the basic video editing apps like Virtual Dub can't open the files directly (but workarounds are available of course).

Anyway, still planing on getting on quite soon and I'll give it a testrun with a VGA source of course once I have it.

[zakk]

As long as you can convert your source to component, and it's somewhere near 'standard' resolutions, it'll work just fine.

I'm not so sure about 240p, as the only sources I had easily available for that were PCBs, which are all sorts of strange anyways. I never had an (older) console to test that with.

Works fine with a VP30 too.


The biggest problem with the thing is the output; h264 in a transport stream. None of the 'normal' tools work with this and it was pretty much a terrible pain to deal with these files at all. You can remux them to mp4 or mkv to give yourself a few more options but it's still annoying. I would sometimes get sound sync issues too.

Also some of the units are just not very reliable; I think most of the issues have been worked out, but even mine has occasionally just decided to lock up while capturing.

[Ed Oscuro]

Sure beats pricing on Epiphan's VGA2USB / DVI2USB series!

[Specineff]

The biggest problem with the thing is the output; h264 in a transport stream. None of the 'normal' tools work with this and it was pretty much a terrible pain to deal with these files at all. You can remux them to mp4 or mkv to give yourself a few more options but it's still annoying. I would sometimes get sound sync issues too.

Also some of the units are just not very reliable; I think most of the issues have been worked out, but even mine has occasionally just decided to lock up while capturing.

Wow. You sure got unlucky. I use mine to backup my DVR recordings, not games; but it doesn't do anything what you described. There are methods to convert the H264 files to XVID for example. What are the problems you face when fiddling with those files?

[akumajo]

up, any news ?

[akumajo]

(shoot them) UP !

still looking for feedback, anyone besides Fudoh ?

the idea is : XRGB-3 (VGA to VGA) -> XSELECT-D4 (d-terminal to component cable) -> HD-PVR (USB to PC) -> HDTV

so I could play and capture games without ruining myself