Console with the hardest shmups

8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:50 pm

It occurs to me that the MD/Genesis has a shmup library with the most difficult shmups around. I'm going to limit this to consoles that are known for their shmup libraries. No need to list jaguar or something. If I've missed any important ones please let me know. What's your pick?

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:29 pm

Even though not known for its shmups... the Neo Geo has its fair share of difficult games in the genre.

Randorama · Post by **Randorama** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:33 pm

MOst difficult shmups are on the console 'arcade', btw

The Bullet Dodger · Post by **The Bullet Dodger** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:51 pm

I agree with 8 1/2. The Megadrive is home to the most difficult shmups, at least from my experiences. I can't remember beaten any MD shmups.

My 2nd choice would be the Saturn. I still haven't been able to beat 'Layer Section'.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:42 pm

I voted for Dreamcast......Gunbird 2, Mars Matrix and all....though technically those are arcade ports. Anyway, I don't really see a console having only tough shmups. The Genny has it's share of tough ones, but also has some really easy ones too. It seems as if in most cases there are a few really tough ones, but the rest are managable.....although I would agree that the Neo-Geo has a surprisingly high majority of tough ones.

Blade · Post by **Blade** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:08 pm

Somebody forgot Gamecube...of course, Gamecube has lots of Dreamcast ports, but still.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:14 pm

I voted for PS2, as what I´ve seen of MD doesn´t compare in terms of difficulty, but if there would have been a Neo Geo option, I´d have voted for that.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:15 pm

I voted for PS2, as what I´ve seen of MD doesn´t compare in terms of difficulty, but if there would have been a Neo Geo option, I´d have voted for that.

jp · Post by jp » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:20 pm

Mega Drive/Genesis

Twin Cobra, Gaiares, Eliminate Down, Hellfire, Truxton, Fire Shark... need I say more?

black mariah · Post by **black mariah** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:33 pm

Randorama wrote:MOst difficult shmups are on the console 'arcade', btw

Yes, that you for that entirely pointless statement that had nothing to do with anything.

Gotta go with Genesis/MD. Undeadline alone is enough to cement that one.

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:58 pm

black mariah wrote:
Randorama wrote:MOst difficult shmups are on the console 'arcade', btw
Yes, that you for that entirely pointless statement that had nothing to do with anything. :roll:

Pointless statements suit a pointless thread :)

Ex_Mosquito · Post by **Ex_Mosquito** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:07 pm

wtf!, the MD/Genesis has the most difficult shooters???! i disagree.

PS2, Easily. If only for the arcade conversions.

As a rule console exclusive shooters are easy, and more often than not the levels are way too long and boring. (Eg: Compile trash)

MD/Genesis!!!??

Name an MD shooter thats harder than say :Dragon blaze or Gunbird 2, both on the ps2

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:33 pm

Ex_Mosquito wrote: As a rule console exclusive shooters are easy, and more often than not the levels are way too long and boring. (Eg: Compile trash)

MD/Genesis!!!?? Name an MD shooter thats harder than say :Dragon blaze or Gunbird 2, both on the ps2

I totally discount your opinion because of the Compile comment alone, but anyways...

MD games harder than Dragon Blaze and Gunbird 2: Eliminate Down and Undead Line. ED is hard but not undoable if you continue. Undead Line is the king of hard shmups. It kicks the collective asses of Dragon Blaze, Gunbird 2, Image Fight, and all the other hard arcade games. Yes, they're insanely difficult to beat on 1CC (or in the case of IF, at all) but they're nowhere near the level of subliminal absurdity that Undead Line reaches.

8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:32 am

zinger wrote:
black mariah wrote:
Randorama wrote:MOst difficult shmups are on the console 'arcade', btw
Yes, that you for that entirely pointless statement that had nothing to do with anything.
Pointless statements suit a pointless thread

Nice to see the current trend of random hate is alive and well on this forum.

*note* I can't seem to edit the list to include Neo Geo.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:48 am

Ex_Mosquito wrote:wtf!, the MD/Genesis has the most difficult shooters???! i disagree.

PS2, Easily. If only for the arcade conversions.

As a rule console exclusive shooters are easy, and more often than not the levels are way too long and boring. (Eg: Compile trash)

MD/Genesis!!!?? Name an MD shooter thats harder than say :Dragon blaze or Gunbird 2, both on the ps2

Agreed

Playing Compile games will give you AIDS

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:51 am

Neon wrote:Playing Compile games will give you AIDS

Shatterhand, I'm so sorry. If you ever need anything, just say the word.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:08 am

Neon wrote:
Ex_Mosquito wrote:wtf!, the MD/Genesis has the most difficult shooters???! i disagree.

PS2, Easily. If only for the arcade conversions.

As a rule console exclusive shooters are easy, and more often than not the levels are way too long and boring. (Eg: Compile trash)

MD/Genesis!!!?? Name an MD shooter thats harder than say :Dragon blaze or Gunbird 2, both on the ps2
Agreed

Playing Compile games will give you AIDS

That was in rather poor taste. Compile used to support an organization to help cure AIDS and even had a splash screen for "Act Against Aids" with some of their games.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 6:24 am

BrianC wrote: That was in rather poor taste.

Compile

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:13 am

sethsez wrote:
Neon wrote:Playing Compile games will give you AIDS
Shatterhand, I'm so sorry. If you ever need anything, just say the word.

I think the whole aids comment here is just wrong, but your response is classic!

I can't help but laugh.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:21 pm

I voted Saturn because of Layer Section.

CMoon · Post by **CMoon** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:09 pm

8 1/2 wrote: Nice to see the current trend of random hate is alive and well on this forum.

Yup. I think there is clear evidence that players can get post traumatic stress disorder from 1cc'ing DOJ or something...

zinger · Post by **zinger** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:56 pm

@ 8 1/2

zinger wrote:
black mariah wrote:
Randorama wrote:MOst difficult shmups are on the console 'arcade', btw
Yes, that you for that entirely pointless statement that had nothing to do with anything. :roll:
Pointless statements suit a pointless thread :)

You see, I hate the haters. ;)
Black Mariah's post is IMO, the most pointless statement in this thread, along with perhaps mine and now a few from Cmoon and 8 1/2.

I'll leave you to discuss this in peace now, for what ever reason you might have :)

Andi · Post by **Andi** » Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:41 pm

Abadox, Starship Hector, the unbeatable Xevious, hard ports of Twin Cobra and Sky Shark, Thundercade, Sky Kid (harder than the arcade version), some 194X games which are long as hell, Star Force and Star Soldier which are painfully long and very cheap...

NES, you fools.

jp · Post by jp » Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:52 pm

I thought the poll asked which console had the most difficult games... not which one had the most bullets.

C'est la vie.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 1:33 am

No votes for TG-16/PCE? That system has Hellfire, the hardest version of Truxton, R-Type and some other very hard shmups.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:17 am

BrianC wrote:No votes for TG-16/PCE? That system has Hellfire, the hardest version of Truxton, R-Type and some other very hard shmups.

While it also has Rayxanber II (by far the hardest shmup on the system if you ask me), it doesn't have many games that approach the harder MD games if you ask me... hence my vote went elsewhere. That's not to say that there aren't any, just that it's not the hardest...

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:03 am

This topic is pointless, but only because there are too many sheltered shmup players to get a valid result. And that pretty much goes for any poll ever held on this site, and that's not meant to be an insult, just the reality.

druuna · Post by **druuna** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:52 am

In my opinion megadrive/genesis has the most insane difficult shmups ever created.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 6:12 pm

8 1/2 wrote:
zinger wrote:
black mariah wrote: Yes, that you for that entirely pointless statement that had nothing to do with anything.
Pointless statements suit a pointless thread
Nice to see the current trend of random hate is alive and well on this forum.

*note* I can't seem to edit the list to include Neo Geo.

I agree...I thought I was at GameFaqs or something.
"You're MOM!"

Yea, the Neo Geo has quite a few "toughies".

Bar81 · Post by **Bar81** » Sat Jun 25, 2005 9:58 pm

By most difficult do we include cheap, horribly designed games that are difficult due to their poor design?

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