Does an LS-32 actually make a difference?

Chacranajxy · Post by **Chacranajxy** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:01 pm

So now that there's actually some decent shmups on the 360, I've been playing a lot of shooters using my SF4 TE stick. Of course, this stick has a JLF, which is great for fighters, but I feel like I need to move it way too much in order to maneuver my ship in shmups. The dead zone just feels huge. Would switching to a Seimitsu LS-32 actually make that big of a difference here, or do I just need to get used to it?

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:10 pm

It should be a night/day difference for you, yes as you say the dead zone feels huge. Just make sure you get the right one and fitting mounting plates before ordering one.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:15 pm

Will a different stick feel different?

Well... yes

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:47 pm

Chacranajxy wrote:So now that there's actually some decent shmups on the 360, I've been playing a lot of shooters using my SF4 TE stick. Of course, this stick has a JLF, which is great for fighters, but I feel like I need to move it way too much in order to maneuver my ship in shmups. The dead zone just feels huge. Would switching to a Seimitsu LS-32 actually make that big of a difference here, or do I just need to get used to it?

jlf vs. ls32 is a huge difference....

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:05 pm

MKL · Post by **MKL** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:15 pm

Chacranajxy wrote:The dead zone just feels huge.

It's possible to reduce it:

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=202652

cools · Post by **cools** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 5:33 pm

I keep half a dozen spare brand new LS32s along with a pile of spares for the bits that wear out.

By far my favourite stick, and massively superior to a JLF. Note that it takes a couple of hours to break one in and the action changes dramatically during that time.

gray117 · Post by **gray117** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 12:55 pm

I heartily recommend having 2 sticks ... one ls32 and one jlf . If you're into fighters, and only have 1 stick I'd stay with JLF it's probably the more versitile imho. That being said if you're after scores, or hating the JLF at the moment - go for it and swap it out. There are some people who prefer an l32 for fighting; you could be one.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 9:45 pm

cools wrote:I keep half a dozen spare brand new LS32s along with a pile of spares for the bits that wear out.

By far my favourite stick, and massively superior to a JLF. Note that it takes a couple of hours to break one in and the action changes dramatically during that time.

Yes, and the one you kindly sold me is now safely harboured in my cab. I managed to clear Dodonpachi's first loop after about 15 goes, and I really put a lot down to the stick change.

It does feel like it has a little more give than I expected, but works a treat.

Domino · Post by **Domino** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:14 pm

Sanwa is like loose pussy.
LS-32s is tight.

Chacranajxy · Post by **Chacranajxy** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:15 pm

Domino wrote:Sanwa is like loose pussy.
LS-32s is tight.

Well I'm sold on the LS-32's tight pussy, then.

cools · Post by **cools** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:17 pm

Using that analogy, the Suzo 500 is like anal.

Chacranajxy · Post by **Chacranajxy** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:44 pm

cools wrote:Using that analogy, the Suzo 500 is like anal.

That good, huh? What the hell is the Suzo 500 anyway?

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:37 pm

Chacranajxy wrote:
cools wrote:Using that analogy, the Suzo 500 is like anal.
That good, huh? What the hell is the Suzo 500 anyway?

It's the best there is IMHO. Costs $16 @ Ultimarc (called Eurostick there):

It does look like shit, but handles superbly (when assembled correctly).

Elaphe · Post by **Elaphe** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 1:45 pm

Using a Seimitsu, a Sanwa, a control pad, a keyboard... more or less the same shit. Suzo 500 is the way to go for smups fans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPUTQaNZtrc

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:35 pm

I love anal, but i can't imagine buying a Suzo...

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:38 pm

If I had to choose I'd probably prefer a bat top JLF in my asshole with shaft cover because metal is cold usually.

Suzo is a bit advanced for me right now, I'll work on it though.

Matsunaga · Post by **Matsunaga** » Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:18 pm

Does anyone outside of Europe also think a Suzo 500 is great? I might get one.. does it have the same mounting hole pattern as a Happ? ATM the Ls-32 is my favorite stick.

Elaphe · Post by **Elaphe** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:54 am

Forget it. Japanese players will not use any arcade control that has not been made in their country. Americans might me interested. I haven't seen much interest about Suzos here in Europe either. People are interested in the T-stik (magnetic stick) and japanese controls instead. You cannot appreciate something if you ignore it. These sticks also have the handicap that they are made for steel and mounting on thick wood requires some extra work, so many people prefer not to deal with these issues. You have to do this:

which is a good thing, because the height of the stick is reduced and it feels more confortable:

Apart from this, you have to made your own dustwasher

out of a piece of plastic from a cd storage box, for instance.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:26 pm

The Suzo sticks are somewhat tricky to mount in a standard cabinet panel as well, but it can be done with some distances like I did in my EGRET II:

Combined with a custom shaft, it can use Sanwa/Seimitsu balls to look even better:

You still have to use that trademark "neck" from the Suzo shaft for your custom ones:

Elaphe · Post by **Elaphe** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:33 pm

Does Grooviegamegear still sell shaft replacements for the Suzo? I've been looking at their webpage and I no longer see them. They had shafts with different heights for wood and metal, and different balltops, including rugged ones, which can be nice for extra grip.

kernow · Post by **kernow** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:34 pm

ahah! now I know why your galuda score is so good!

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:48 pm

kernow wrote:ahah! now I know why your galuda score is so good!

My ESPGALUDA score was done with a minty LS-32. I think I would perform better with my SUZO though. But the timing is so precise in that game, that the buttons are just as important.

This shaft I'm using was custom made by a guy at a Swedish forum. But the true pioneer of these custom shafts is the joystick wizard Kowal. The balls doesn't really stick to these custom shafts when you screw them on, so you need to use some pipe tape to make 'em stick, or glue. But glued balls suck.

I could probably get the plans for the custom shafts if someone wants to have them made locally. I think I'll get four more done for myself, so I can put Suzo 500's in my 2L-panels as well. Yes, they are that good.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 4:56 pm

that mod from emph looks quite cool. congrats dude

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Wed Sep 23, 2009 5:08 pm

i would use a suzo if i could get one like emph's....gimme!

spl · Post by **spl** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 8:24 am

Don't most of the jap cabs have Sanwa JLFs standard? This would mean most of the pro/superplay runs are done with Sanwa sticks not Semitsu right?

Or does LS-32 come standard in some jap cabs??

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Sep 24, 2009 9:14 am

Elaphe wrote:Japanese players will not use any arcade control that has not been made in their country.

Why on earth would they play something in their arcades when they can buy an arcade stick internationally and assemble it with no online tutorials?

I'd like to check out the Suzo sometime but it isn't an accessible stick at all. Maybe if someone made them for HRAPs, then I'd bother.

MoDaisuke · Post by **MoDaisuke** » Fri Sep 25, 2009 6:18 pm

The custom shaft for the Suzo looks damn decent emphatic! I might be interested in those plans for a some shmup sticks im making or even if i could order one.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:05 pm

MoDaisuke wrote:The custom shaft for the Suzo looks damn decent emphatic! I might be interested in those plans for a some shmup sticks im making or even if i could order one.

The numbers are all in mm.

brentsg · Post by **brentsg** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 5:30 pm

I am ordering two complete sets of LS-32-01 sticks and also appropriate buttons for my Super Neo 29 and my Neo 25.

I want to make sure that i get all of the appropriate parts and I'm not totally sure what they come with by default. Do I need to special order an optional restrictor plate or anything for shmups?

I'll be ordering from AkihabaraShop.jp.

Thanks for any info!

Brent

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