Home Theater PCs- Good Idea? Who has one?

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So I'm considering making the jump. I'm not entirely sure I want to place this in the 'hardware for shmupping' section- as this really doesn't have much to do with straight shmupping (I have that part of my life covered :P). I know what kind of hardware I'd use (microatx). I'm more interested in the pros/cons people here have had with home theater PC setups.

I.E. - blu ray drives- with a good resolution and a solid BR drive- how would a BR disc look compared to say- a PS3?

So- lets talk about home theater PC setups :)
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The last couple systems I've built have been μATX, I've grown very fond of the format. But Crossfire/SLI, which neither you nor I probably need, has been complicating things for a while―although it's good to have more than one PCIE slot better than 1x. You might wind up needing a couple old 32-bit 33MHz PCI slots for some things.

There are lots of inexpensive architectures that can do what you want; choose your mobo and CPU cooler wisely, with a particular case in mind.

I haven't messed with HD media on the PC so can't help you there. Mind mentioning what TV you'll be using?
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Buy a low end PC to do PC crap and buy a PS3 to do everything else.

People can knock PS3 for its gaming qualities, but its video and audio qualities are 2nd to none. You can even use your PC to media stream stuff across to the PS3 and to any other wireless devices in the house if you want. Its a cool feature.


Up to you though. I just don't see any point in specialist PC's under the TV etc.
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Does MythTV on a PS3 give you the capabilities of a HD DVR?
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Have no idea since i've never used it before. However, if in Europe you can use playtv to change your PS3 into a DVR.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sony-Play-TV-PS ... 990&sr=8-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAuWAgZeJoI

I don't think your in Europe, so I guess you don't get that feature.
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Like MythTV, what you're talking about involves a USB tuner/capture device. Not HD. And SD DVR's are a drug on the market now; something you can find at a charity shop rather than something to crow about.

An HTPC can be cheaper than a good HD DVR. Mine was $500 new, is fetching $350 on EBay, and has only one tuner.
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Having a media center PC is nice for the digital video file playback, but I have yet to see a system that has genuinely good DVD playback. Never tried Blu Ray on a PC. I'm not even a big videophile, but there are some pretty bad issues with video quality on every DVD playback PC program I've seen - if you're an animation fan, then it's even worse as the interlacing problems PCs tend to have become really pronounced on animated titles due to the large amounts of solid color areas.

I'll stick with my dedicated hardware for movies.
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For a PC you need something like this, or a powerful CPU. Much better idea to go with a GPU however (less expensive + should be less power draw overall, since you need a GPU anyway + better performance).
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I used to use an Xbox running XBMC for a media center, but recently switched to using GB-PVR on a small form factor desktop, outputting to my 36" Sony CRT via component. I can't say that I watch many dvds on it, but it's really nice for playing back anime and such. Not to mention that I adapted my Xbox dvd remote to control the entire thing seamlessly. Also, since it's running on computer hardware, there's a bit more control over playback - I've seen a couple nice tutorials on upconverting dvds / video files via ffdshow.

All in all, I like it a whole lot better than having dedicated hardware - it's much more flexible for my needs. It only took me an afternoon or so to get it fully setup and outputting the way I wanted.
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Aleanil wrote:I used to use an Xbox running XBMC for a media center
That's what my wife and I do. PS3 for Blu Ray / DVD, XBOX 1 for all other files. XBMC will send 1080i out your original XBOX.
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neorichieb1971 wrote:Buy a low end PC to do PC crap and buy a PS3 to do everything else.

People can knock PS3 for its gaming qualities, but its video and audio qualities are 2nd to none. You can even use your PC to media stream stuff across to the PS3 and to any other wireless devices in the house if you want. Its a cool feature.


Up to you though. I just don't see any point in specialist PC's under the TV etc.
i disagree...i have my PC and PS3 connected to my HDTV...both via HDMI....the PC crushes the PS3 for media playback.....watching stuff on the PC looks considerably better.....especially DVD and AVI's....AVI's look like ass on the ps3 but look crisp and almost DVD quality with the PC

the PS3 has really weird black level/contrast issues with a lot of stuff....like it has trouble with dark scenes.....

TBH, if i had a more powerful PC(GPU anyways) and a BR drive i would just sell the PS3.....i mainly use it to watch some 1080p stuff my PC cant handle and blurays....for anything 720p and below the PC wins hands down

just speaking from my experiences tho.....

i dont really understand streaming stuff with a PS3 and transcoding stuff when you could just watch it on the same screen with the PC and cut out the PS3 altogether.....
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Sounds like you're determined to go mATX, which is what my dad is using (and I have the same motherboard in my primary desktop - Asus P5N-EM HDMI), and the form factor quite decent if you choose a motherboard with some good audio and video options. If you won't have many expansion cards, then you can go for a low-profile case as well. Just be careful since a focus of HTPC is small + cool + quiet, and these things are often in conflict so expect to do a lot of tweaking once you have the main system all built up. As trivial has already mentioned, the CPU cooler should be one of the first things to be changed, but make sure it will fit inside your case - i.e. will it be blocked by the PSU, etc.

Have you considered mini-ITX though? Your options are few, but there is only a handful of boards you need to look at. But this is where you have the ability to build really tiny systems that you can just hide away somewhere.

Here's a setup I built recently:
Zotac GeForce 9300-ITX WiFi motherboard
Mini-box M350 case
PicoPSU-150-XT power supply w/ 102W power brick
Intel Core2Duo E7500 2.93 GHz (had a Pentium Dual Core E2200 2.2 GHz earlier)
G.Skill F2-6400CL4D-4GBPK RAM
Seagate 7200.3 320GB 2.5" 7200RPM HDD

...and a couple of fans attached externally and a $130 USB Blu-ray burner from eBay when I need an optical drive. I am a huge fan of this motherboard, since it has the potential to be upgraded with some really high-performance parts but it's no slouch with even the onboard components. If you are only interested in media centre stuff though, I think the Zotac IONITX series may be of adequate service as well.

I highly recommend an actual HTPC over a media centre, you will really appreciate the versatility, like being able to run BitTorrent :p

And about what I said about hiding away the tiny system, I have mine hanging off the VESA mount behind my monitor completely out of sight. Take that, iMac.
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The space inside the m350 is really tight, and I can only fit one 2.5" HDD with the stock Intel CPU cooler. I'm waiting for a super low profile cooler from eBay, and I might be able to squeeze in another HDD, thinking of getting SSD for my system drive. But if you go the mini-ITX route, you might be better off with a more featured case like an Apex MI-008 which will let you install a standard 5.25" optical drive.

Anyway, I get a huge boner for system builds, so do keep us updated... ;)
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jonny5 wrote:
neorichieb1971 wrote:Buy a low end PC to do PC crap and buy a PS3 to do everything else.

People can knock PS3 for its gaming qualities, but its video and audio qualities are 2nd to none. You can even use your PC to media stream stuff across to the PS3 and to any other wireless devices in the house if you want. Its a cool feature.


Up to you though. I just don't see any point in specialist PC's under the TV etc.
i disagree...i have my PC and PS3 connected to my HDTV...both via HDMI....the PC crushes the PS3 for media playback.....watching stuff on the PC looks considerably better.....especially DVD and AVI's....AVI's look like ass on the ps3 but look crisp and almost DVD quality with the PC

the PS3 has really weird black level/contrast issues with a lot of stuff....like it has trouble with dark scenes.....

TBH, if i had a more powerful PC(GPU anyways) and a BR drive i would just sell the PS3.....i mainly use it to watch some 1080p stuff my PC cant handle and blurays....for anything 720p and below the PC wins hands down

just speaking from my experiences tho.....

i dont really understand streaming stuff with a PS3 and transcoding stuff when you could just watch it on the same screen with the PC and cut out the PS3 altogether.....

I don't see the problems your experiencing on my set up. Your probably right, the PC is probably better though due to fiddling options. I don't see the point in having a PC as part of any HT setup though. Its a computer with a keyboard and mouse and not something I want in my living room in any shape or form.

Saying AVI's look better on your PC is just saying that PC's make pirated goods look great, when in reality the pirated goods probably look inferior to just buying a DVD in the first place. If I get something for free like an AVI I only care about the content, not the quality, since if I was caring about the quality i'd make sure I got the best in the first place. Bitrates are flattened out over 700mb dissections usually and the OAR is lost with huge huge borders on every file.

HTPC's are great fiddling tools, you have the most amount of codec's to choose from. But if given a choice of a HDTV/PS3 via HDMI or the assortment of mouse/keyboard/cables, unattaching this and that.. Bollocks to all that.

Transcoding/media streaming stuff is good if your PC is somewhere out of the way and your PS3 is just under your TV. Whats not to like about it? You like a big mother of a PC under your TV, I know I wouldn't like that. I only have a laptop and thats as far as I am prepared to go with PC's.
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i commented on AVI's as they are common and account for a large portion of what most people would watch on a PC.....lets not make this a piracy argument...

and as for form factor.....my current tower isnt huge and i plan to swap it into a micro case....at which point it will be slightly bigger than the PS3....and i dont mind the keyboard and mouse.....they just sit in front of the TV....

i actually plan to get a wireless 360 controller and use xpadder to set it up so i can use it like a mouse so i can just sit on the couch and navigate that way :wink:
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Would you be willing to post pics of your HTPC vs your PS3 with the same video content?

I'd be interested to see it. This argument means nothing without facts.
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neorichieb1971 wrote:Would you be willing to post pics of your HTPC vs your PS3 with the same video content?

I'd be interested to see it. This argument means nothing without facts.
i can try...but all i have is a shit cybershot camera.....its not good for detailed shots.....

i will try and take a few test shots tonight and see if you can even see the difference....but i wouldnt expect it to show anything worthwhile

im really not out to convince you of anything....you are happy with the PS3 for media viewing so thats great....i was just sharing my experiences....i will try and show what i mean
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