XRGB-3

[Fudoh]

And should i turn off any dvd-upscaling the PS3 provides when using it?

it affects the sharpness pattern since the enhancement settings on your TV work differently on SD and HD material.

But even though the resolution is a little lower (Saturn can output 480i) i should still be able to get the brightness and contrast right, right?

likely, but the question remains if those systems' outputs have ever been calibrated to anything. Eventually brightness and contrast are heavily influenced by the RGB cables in use...

[Konsolkongen]

Well i use an original SEGA RGB cable for the Saturn and original SEGA VGA box for the Dreamcast. Doesn't sound like its something you would bother calibrating so i doubt i will gain anything from it

[gabbafiend]

Hi,

I really need some advice. I’m using the xrgb3 (fw 2.07) for almost two weeks now, mainly for PS1 and Saturn via RGB. There were no problems until yesterday. Suddenly the picture started flickering and jumping and so I did a reset. Afterwards those problems disappeared but I couldn't activate scanlines anymore. Moreover, when I turned “power” off and on again, scanlines reappeared but also flickering did. Any idea how to solve this problem?

*EDIT*: It seems to be problem of B1 mode. Flickering and jumping starts as soon as B1 mode is activated, no matter if I'm using scanlines or not. Flickering stops when I switch back to B0.

[Konsolkongen]

Does the Optoma accept 1080p@24hz as input from HDMI source?

It might be a good idea to run the PS3 through the Optoma as well for all those games that runs in 720p. But even though i don't watch that many Blu Rays on it i don't want to lose the 24hz feature my tv offers for BD discs.

It all depends on the extra lag running it through the Optoma. According to Guitar Hero on PS3 my tv has an input lag about 6ms from the PS3 in 720p. I doubt the Optoma can match this.

[Artemio]

There's a new FW version, 2.12. My Japanese is not very good but it fixes the VL_H and VL_V values. B1 seems to be unchanged.

[Konsolkongen]

It has indeed been fixed But remember to reset the XRGB3, otherwise it still won't go higher than 248 (Menu + OK + Power on).

A "FULL_HDsomething" menu has been added with LOW and HIGH as options.

I'm guessing that the XRGB3 can upscale to any 1080p display now like i have been whining about for a long time. Since then i have fallen in love with the lagfree B1 mode so i probably won't be using that feature ever

EDIT: A VERY strange thing just happend. When i connected my Saturn i only got audio on the R speaker, but when i used my MegaDrive i got perfect stereo sound. I checked all cables and everything was correct. I then shut the XRGB3 off and turned it on again and sound was playing perfectly on both speakers. I don't know how they could mess that up, but its working fine now.

[HDgaming42]

I just grabbed the last unit the eBay seller had. Awesome I can't wait till i get it. I'll let you know what i think of it when it arrives.

Hmmm. I watched the auction end with 4 units remaining. Was my browser borked? ???? I really wanted one but the seller wouldn't ship to Canada. And now he/she won't respond to emails.

If you're ever in contact with them again, could you ask if they have / will have any more in the future? I'm looking forward to hearing your impressions of the unit. I've just gotten into RGB gaming, though I only have the XRGB-2+.

[Fudoh]

I probably got one for you. I PM'ed you on the AVS board.

[HDgaming42]

I probably got one for you. I PM'ed you on the AVS board.

Thanks Fudoh--I responded to you over there.

[Konsolkongen]

F...! I just got an email from the eBay seller where he writes that they unfortunately are out of stock. LAME!

Where can i get another Optoma 3000 for the same price?

[Fudoh]

That's lame indeed. You probably have to watch the aftermarket. I can imagine that quite a few buyers can't handle or don't really need the machine.

[Konsolkongen]

Yes i'll try that. I've been away the weekend and just got back tonight, i was hoping that i could pick it up tomorrow at the postoffice. I did recieved the 2x VGA > BNC cables and i have no use for them now

[Fudoh]

I'm wondering why he suddenly backed out. The last auction ended with a few units left, so I assumed he those left anyway. I haven't gone into intregrating mine yet into my setup. My main purpose for the Optoma is to bridge the gap between my XRGB and my Multibridge capture device. Eventually I might solve this through my 50pro afterall, so there's chance I might part with it, but it's too early to tell...

[Konsolkongen]

Ok kewl. Let me know if you want to sell it

[Artemio]

I just got an XRGB-2 (no plus) because I had just built the supergun and wanted to have upscan conversion on my other TV set.

I can't believe how good the XRGB-2 is! Yes, it doens't have teh fancy options or DVI-D out, but it is rock solid. No "waviness" at all, CPS-2, System 16 and Neo Geo games on MVS and AES are treated perfectly. I had a lot of shaky graphics on CPS-2, and as you might recall I had installed the LM1881 inside my XRGB-3 to correct some issues I had with Pulstar on my AES and on Sonic CD on the Sega CD. Those are non issues with the stock XRGB-2. I also had to move AFC to level 3 on my AES and PC-Engine, I don't need to do that with the older unit either.

I kind of miss the ability to have different settings for scanlines, but the 2's only setting is quite similar to the 175 I was using on the XRGB-3 anyway.

I am not using the PCB switch though, since I placed potentiometers on my Supergun. I believe it only places the resistors inline with the RGB signals, right?

[Fudoh]

but the 2's only setting is quite similar to the 175 I was using on the XRGB-3 anyway.

it's been years that I had a 2 on hand, but the scanline setting should actually be 100% scanlines like "0" on the 3.

I believe it only places the resistors inline with the RGB signals, right?

yes, indeed.

[Ed Oscuro]

Trying to help out MarioMania from Digital Press Forums. I have no idea what he's doing or what he wants, aside from using that VGA to component cable somehow, really.

[Konsolkongen]

I just got a reply from the eBay seller:

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Hi M Larsen



We perfectly understand your request. As the HD3000 is terminated, we can propose you a special discount on the DVO Edge.

We can propose you the Edge for 469 € (including shipping costs) instead of the 599 € announced on our website.



We remain at your disposal.



Best Regards

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Is that something i would want instead and is that a good price? The discount seems quite good so thumbs up for that.

I wanted the Optoma for further XRGB3 scaling and PS2 in 240p/480i/480p.

[Fudoh]

You can find a *lenghty* review of the Edge on my page. It's an excellent videoprocessor, but I don't like the scaling of progressive signals, on my eyes inferior to the scaling my TV. For scaling of progressive signals Optoma > Sony TV > Edge. The Edge's deinterlacer for interlaced material is top notch though...

[Konsolkongen]

I just re-read it and i don't like those 480i screens with gamemode on, and i actually think it would look a lot better on my tv. Without the gamemode the picture looks pretty good but a delay of 56ms is just too much for me.

I'm gonna pass on the Edge, but i'm still interested in your HD3000 if you decide to sell it.

[Konsolkongen]

Have no one experienced the sound bug i mentioned earlier with the new XRGB3 firmware? It just happened again today when a friend and i was playing puzzle games on the Saturn. Lame...

[HDgaming42]

Is that something i would want instead and is that a good price? The discount seems quite good so thumbs up for that.

I wanted the Optoma for further XRGB3 scaling and PS2 in 240p/480i/480p.

I'm in the same boat as Fudoh. I have an EDGE (which is quite good at what it does) but ultimately I'd prefer 'blockier" scaling. Fudoh's site shows the differences. It is my opnion that most people--perhaps not the people on this board--but most people would find the differences in scaling between and EDGE and the Optoma to be indistinguishable.

Not sure if that helps you...

[Fudoh]

but most people would find the differences in scaling between and EDGE and the Optoma to be indistinguishable.

I agree for everything 480i up, but the amount of ringing added by the Edge for 240p material is massive and imo very distracting. I had friends over which are not into "processing", but they noticed it right away.

[Konsolkongen]

Thanks for the replys. I have asked for the money back and will look for a used Optoma 3000 instead.

[Konsolkongen]

The new firmware seems to be buggy as hell. I experienced a strange loss of sync when playing Magical Knight Rayearth on my Saturn just now. When walking down a certain stairway the screen would go black and pop back on a second later. Turning of the XRGB3 didn't help like it did with the strange soundbug i experienced where only the R speaker was playing.

I once again downgraded to 2.07 and i cannot provoke the loss of sync that was happening all the time in 2.12.

So if you are experiencing anything like my problems with the new firmware this could be your answer. For those of us who only use B1 mode the downgrade won't make any difference.

[Fudoh]

Unfortunately I have way to little time to test the new FW at the moment, but did you happen to test 1080p with it on your Sony TV ? I'm still wondering why most LCD TVs I know cannot use the 1080p DVI output from the 2.10/11 FW. Would be curious of at least this was fixed with the 2.12 ...

[Konsolkongen]

No i never got around to test that. Maybe i can find the time to test it later tonight.

[Ed Oscuro]

If your used to colder settings you'll find this quite reddish.

Higher color temperature = bluer = hotter

just sayin', don't try to confuse me

[Fudoh]

That's right, CRTs have usually about 8500° which is quite blue. And that's why, IF he's used to the blue-ish CRT-look, he'll find a display which is calibrated to 6500° quite "reddish".

[Konsolkongen]

I just tried the new firmware. I have no idea what the new FULL_HD????? setting does as i could not get a 1080p picture on my tv with either setting. I also tried with Vsync on but of course that didn't help either. Damn...

Anyway a bit off topic but since we already covered sync problems on different consoles in the past i'll just post it here.

My friend dropped off his RGB modified PC-Engine for me to take a look at. On his screen the top part is flickering as hell, but on my tv its not as bad. Where the picture should be black its gray instead and the graphics are flickering a little bit. A lot better than on his tv but you can clearly see something is wrong.

I have not tested it on the XRGB-3 as i don't have enough stepdown converters but i'm pretty sure it would work fine on that, and the real goal is to make it work on his tv.
I tried to install the LM1881 chip inside the RGB cable but strangely enough this doesn't change anything

Inside the colour booster cable i can see that there are three transistors and capasitators to boost the R, G and B signals. I was thinking that maybe doing the same for the sync signal could solve the problem and make the PC-Engine work on my friends tv.

Any help regarding this would be greatly appreciated.

That's right, CRTs have usually about 8500° which is quite blue. And that's why, IF he's used to the blue-ish CRT-look, he'll find a display which is calibrated to 6500° quite "reddish".

I changed all my inputs to Warm 1 like you said. It took me only a few min. to get used to