7th Annual Top 25 Shmups of All Time! - Results

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri May 29, 2009 10:05 am

Wow, Cave domination but it looks like there's some common ground breaking + shitstorm subsiding this year. Highly impressive.

@ jpj: Paddywagon time 4 u. Ima callin' ur local constable

VorpalEdge · Post by **VorpalEdge** » Fri May 29, 2009 3:31 pm

evil_ash_xero wrote:Seriously, has enough people actually played Ketsui for it to be that high up?

Our extremely reliable statistics indicate that 90% of the people who voted for Ketsui haven't played it.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri May 29, 2009 3:36 pm

not sure if you are joking, but if you look at the list of people that voted for ketsui they all either own or have access to it....

so yes....based on the voting it obviously does rate that highly

drboom · Post by **drboom** » Fri May 29, 2009 3:56 pm

There were 20+ people at my meet and I think everyone got a chance to play it quite a few times. I assume that there are a number of people who own the board who have done the same thing, probably a few times over(sven666, jonny5, Dave_K, etc.) so there are quite a few people who have access to the Ketsui boards in this community.

I'm not sure why people are doubting that the voters actually had or have access to it. I think most of the people on this forum are pretty open to letting people play their stuff and don't just keep their pcb's locked away in a cabinet to collect dust.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri May 29, 2009 4:42 pm

i'm gonna move to new zealand and bring the bell-end ratio down to 99%

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri May 29, 2009 4:47 pm

drboom wrote:There were 20+ people at my meet and I think everyone got a chance to play it quite a few times. I assume that there are a number of people who own the board who have done the same thing, probably a few times over(sven666, jonny5, Dave_K, etc.) so there are quite a few people who have access to the Ketsui boards in this community.

I'm not sure why people are doubting that the voters actually had or have access to it. I think most of the people on this forum are pretty open to letting people play their stuff and don't just keep their pcb's locked away in a cabinet to collect dust.

i host a meet every second saturday

....what fun are games if you cant share them with others?

shit...there are actually 3 copies of ketsui in ontario that i know of....

malik11's buddy has one( thats how i played it before i bought it), drakon bought a copy after he played it at my house( and hes not even really into shmups....pretty good indication of just how good ketsui is imo), and i have it....

this game is not as uber -rare as the haters seem to make out

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Fri May 29, 2009 5:26 pm

Rob wrote: This is one of the things that sets GWs and MM apart. All sorts of possibilities open up when you can tap reflect or hold down to a split sec before the GHB. GW2 is a little more obvious about it, but all GWs are the same in that regard. Once you start a reflect you've basically planned your shield strategy for the entire stage. Many parts require a reflect as soon as it's recharged.

They should've joined stages 5-7 and maybe added a little filler between the bosses. Item volcanoes were the coolest. Oh yeah, and completely wrecking those thick patterns felt a lot cooler than the scattered stuff in 1. Visual overload.

Yeah, I agree that MM is just way more flexible and that GW2 could have combined the last few levels. One thing I liked about GW1 though is that I felt like it struck a good balance between dodging and shielding. I love the floating city level for that reason (even though I suck at it =)). I just wish the last boss had been either a little easier or shorter.. the thing completely wrecks me! Otherwise I think I could have a 1cc with a little more practice.

emphatic · Post by **emphatic** » Fri May 29, 2009 5:55 pm

jonny5 wrote:this game is not as uber -rare as the jealous schmucks seem to make out

^^fixed

Danbo · Post by **Danbo** » Fri May 29, 2009 6:05 pm

KETSUI VOTING SCANDAL! CHAIRMAN OF KETSUI DEFENCE FORCE CALLED IN FOR ARMED POLICE QUESTIONING, READ THE WHOLE SORDID STORY

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Fri May 29, 2009 6:52 pm

jonny5 wrote:but if you look at the list of people that voted for ketsui they all either own or have access to it....

To be fair, I no longer have access to it, and haven't for about 4 or 5 months - £600 when unemployed => game gets sold, no matter how great it is. Until I find a buyer for one of my kidneys, natch.

I'VE GOT KETSUI DEATH LABEL AND HAVE NEARLY UNLOCKED EXTRA STAGE, DOES THAT COUNT?

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri May 29, 2009 7:00 pm

having current access isnt necessary....someone who has owned the board and played it is entitled to vote for it and voice an opinion on the game

anybody who hasnt played it is just adding to the hype

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri May 29, 2009 7:28 pm

90% of ketsui owners never turn on their pcb. fun fact for you trivia fans ^_~

dpful · Post by **dpful** » Fri May 29, 2009 7:35 pm

My first impression was that this forum was surprisingly full of posers, but perhaps I'm just one of the unlucky who's never played ketsui, and the forum is surprisingly rich and/or sophisticated and connected. It make me want to have a shmupmeet.

RGC · Post by **RGC** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:10 pm

dpful wrote:My first impression was that this forum was surprisingly full of posers, but perhaps I'm just one of the unlucky who's never played ketsui, and the forum is surprisingly rich and/or sophisticated and connected. It make me want to have a shmupmeet.

I don't own it, but providing I had the cash available I'd have no problem spending £600 on a ketsui board. I mean, many people barely bat an eyelid at spending >£15,000 on a car - now that to me is completely pointless; and all in the name of posing!

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Fri May 29, 2009 8:31 pm

dpful wrote:My first impression was that this forum was surprisingly full of posers, but perhaps I'm just one of the unlucky who's never played ketsui, and the forum is surprisingly rich and/or sophisticated and connected. It make me want to have a shmupmeet.

to play ketsui you need to be a seriously high-brow individual. we highlight this by doning top hats

innerpattern · Post by **innerpattern** » Fri May 29, 2009 11:07 pm

jonny5 wrote:i host a meet every second saturday ....what fun are games if you cant share them with others?

That's the whole thing I miss about arcades and the biggest reason I decided to keep the board even though I won't have a cab to play it on for at least another 8 months.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Sat May 30, 2009 1:42 pm

slightly ot but whats the nearest spot to you that you looked at shipping from.....

im in ontario and have access to cabs.....depending, it could make it more feasible for you

i work in shipping so might be able to swing something better on the shipping costs through my work

also glad to hear you kept ketsui

jp · Post by jp » Sat May 30, 2009 3:17 pm

I imagine Ketsui will possibly be even higher next year since a home port of it will exist. Hell, if Ketsui Death Label is any indication I'll probably even vote for it. *shrugs* Seems like a damn solid game.

That said, 11 Cave games? 11? Did you kids just start playing shmups in the late 90s or something?

And no Thunder Force? Give. me. a. fucking. break.

And anything with "Pachi" in the title being above Batsugun is fecking blasphemy.

Not sure how I feel about Garegga being #1. Sure beats Gradius V and DDP, but, eh... I never could get into that one. Then again, its one of those that requires almost all of your time to really get into, so... *shrugs*

louisg · Post by **louisg** » Sat May 30, 2009 7:07 pm

That said, 11 Cave games? 11? Did you kids just start playing shmups in the late 90s or something?

high five!

ncp · Post by **ncp** » Sun May 31, 2009 7:05 am

jp wrote:That said, 11 Cave games? 11? Did you kids just start playing shmups in the late 90s or something?

What if I did, gramps?

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:03 am

on page 6 jpj wrote:isn't there a guy here who bums technosoft games? this thread needs more indignation

in seriousness, 1.0/1.5 versions notwithstanding, cave have released 20 shmup titles now. so you're talking about 50% of their games are highly popular. raizing only released 8 games, so even if every single one ended up in the top 25, they would never have as high a tally. if only four raizing titles ended up in the top 25 that would be the same ratio. and as cave are one of the only companies who still support the genre, that number is likely to grow. treasure are the only real hardhitters with 3/3 and a cool 100%

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:07 am

oh snap, well reason'D

One of the things about the top25 I don't really care for so much is the hivemind, but I let it affect me to some degree too. Next year is definitely all console / Apogee PC.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:14 am

i've suggested more than once that people vote privately by pm, but incog says it's too much hassle, so fair enough

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:15 am

jpj wrote:treasure are the only real hardhitters with 3/3 and a cool 100%

Working Designs put a Treasure logo on the Silpheed: The Lost Planet box. They might've had something to do with that. Bangai-O games were also eligible this year.

Gradius V is a Konami game because it's good and it's good because it's Gradius. They get 50% credit at most.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:19 am

sorry, i meant the arcade division if it wasn't clear

i wouldn't count switch as a cave game as well, for instance

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sun May 31, 2009 11:29 am

next year im voting for dodonpachi campaign version and mushihimesama blue label

gotta raise those brows!

jp · Post by jp » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:40 pm

ncp wrote:
jp wrote:That said, 11 Cave games? 11? Did you kids just start playing shmups in the late 90s or something?
What if I did, gramps?

Then you need to go back and play some of the classics from the late 80s/early-mid '90s.

drboom · Post by **drboom** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:58 pm

sven666 wrote:next year im voting for dodonpachi campaign version and mushihimesama blue label

gotta raise those brows!

Brilliant! Count me in. I have to put some more time in on my DDP Campaign pcb anyway.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:42 pm

jp wrote:
ncp wrote:
jp wrote:That said, 11 Cave games? 11? Did you kids just start playing shmups in the late 90s or something?
What if I did, gramps?

Then you need to go back and play some of the classics from the late 80s/early-mid '90s.

TWIN COBRA AND EXED EXES BAYBEE

Darius II also

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:05 am

doctorx0079 wrote:
jp wrote:
ncp wrote: What if I did, gramps?

Then you need to go back and play some of the classics from the late 80s/early-mid '90s.
TWIN COBRA AND EXED EXES BAYBEE

Darius II also

Don't make him play Twin Cobra too much check pointing. I'd recommend Battle Shark too if it didn't have checkpoints. But yes play Exed Eyes and Gunsmoke, Vulgus,Raiden 1and2, Exesius, Tokio, Varth, etc.