New Shmup On Mame Flood

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:19 am

Border Down, Chaos Field, Karous, Radirgy, Trizeal, XII Stag, Triggerheart Exelica, Under Defeat, Psyvariar, Psyvariar 2

Did I miss any?

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:39 am

If only I knew what you're talking about.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:43 am

"New Shmups Flood MAME"?

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:59 am

I thought I was the only oblivious one, but I see I'm in good company.
WtF?

powerfuran · Post by **powerfuran** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:05 am

Apparently, the latest MAME release comes with improved Naomi support. However, all those games are still far from decent playability status (in-game speed is still very low). The graphics are almost perfectly emulated.

unsane · Post by **unsane** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:38 am

"Flood of Newly MAME-able Shmups"

I believe what he is referring to is what's discussed in the G-NET Emulation in MAME thread. Tho i don't know enough to tell if Taito G-NET is the same as/related to/different than Naomi GD-ROM...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Mon May 11, 2009 10:51 am

Time to sell my Dreamcast and buy myself a pizza.

D · Post by D » Mon May 11, 2009 12:03 pm

Elixir wrote:Time to sell my Dreamcast and buy myself a pizza.

What a great comment on so many levels! hahahaha

Gespenst · Post by **Gespenst** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:17 pm

And I thought most of them needs CHD file to be played?

clp · Post by **clp** » Mon May 11, 2009 1:01 pm

with dreamcasts at 20-30 quid and all those games so easy to download this seems like wasted effort to me , id rather see ddp 2 or g net perfected with music .

sikraiken · Post by **sikraiken** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:51 pm

"Its main purpose is to be a reference to the inner workings of the emulated arcade machines. This is done both for educational purposes and for preservation purposes, in order to prevent many historical games from disappearing forever once the hardware they run on stops working. Of course, in order to preserve the games and demonstrate that the emulated behavior matches the original, you must also be able to actually play the games. This is considered a nice side effect, and is not MAME's primary focus."

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon May 11, 2009 3:01 pm

i wish they put their time into a cps3 phoenix

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:49 pm

Consoles detoriate (especially CD-based ones)
MAME only gets better.

That's why this is relevant.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon May 11, 2009 4:52 pm

This is considered a nice side effect, and is not MAME's primary focus.

While I can appreciate the anal attitude of Mame devs in emulating hardware, it is quite retarded for a program to indiscernably emulate hardware when a human can discern the differnces. This is akin to buying games and never opening them.

cools · Post by **cools** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:16 pm

jpj wrote:i wish they put their time into a cps3 phoenix

Very much doubt this'll come from one of the MAME team, even though some of them have been involved in previous resurrection projects.

GaijinPunch wrote: it is quite retarded for a program to indiscernably emulate hardware when a human can discern the differnces

Curious as what you're referring to?

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:26 pm

D wrote:
Elixir wrote:Time to sell my Dreamcast and buy myself a pizza.
What a great comment on so many levels! hahahaha

emergent posting

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:16 pm

jpj wrote:i wish they put their time into a cps3 phoenix

I wish they'd sort out the omnipresent input lag.

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:24 pm

Chi_Ryu wrote:
jpj wrote:i wish they put their time into a cps3 phoenix
I wish they'd sort out the omnipresent input lag.

It *really* isn't *that* noticeable, unless the game isn't running at 100%.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:53 pm

You mean, I'll soon be able to take Triggerheart Exelica, Radirgy, and Karous wherever I go on my laptop? Fantastic!

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:56 pm

I don't know why people are forgetting about NullDC [which has a Naomi version], which would run games at playable speeds, as compared to the pathetic 10% provided by MAME...

Chi_Ryu · Post by **Chi_Ryu** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:59 pm

null1024 wrote:It *really* isn't *that* noticeable, unless the game isn't running at 100%.

Depends on the type of game you are playing. It messes up every rhythm game that is emulated (Beatmania, DDR), and makes a nontrivial difference on some shooters (try Armed Police Batrider as an example).

null1024 · Post by **null1024** » Mon May 11, 2009 8:03 pm

Chi_Ryu wrote:
null1024 wrote:It *really* isn't *that* noticeable, unless the game isn't running at 100%.
Depends on the type of game you are playing. It messes up every rhythm game that is emulated (Beatmania, DDR), and makes a nontrivial difference on some shooters (try Armed Police Batrider as an example).

Really? I haven't checked out the rhythm games , but APB feels the same as most other MAMEd shmups...

bkk · Post by **bkk** » Tue May 12, 2009 7:45 am

GaijinPunch wrote: While I can appreciate the anal attitude of Mame devs in emulating hardware, it is quite retarded for a program to indiscernably emulate hardware when a human can discern the differnces. This is akin to buying games and never opening them.

?

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Tue May 12, 2009 8:31 am

yea, raizing games are garbage on mame, even the old wolfmames and stuff but its worse with the new ones

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue May 12, 2009 10:30 am

It figures that I wouldn't be able to find the link when I need it, but the news posting about Naomi estimates we're years off from playable Naomi. I wouldn't doubt you'll need much more than a Core i7 to play Naomi games - remember the decade-behind rule of thumb for emulation.

PooshhMao wrote:Consoles detoriate (especially CD-based ones)
MAME only gets better.

This isn't actually necessarily true. Look up the comments on the official MAMEdev site (I think in the Wki) discussing why they add new games instead of fix current ones, and the sliding spec targets. Stuff, some of it highly visible, gets broken for months at a time (I recall that GI Joe was broken for half a year or so, if they ever fixed it in fact).

Which is not to call MAME a farce; it's definitely most important to document everything now, as if they have some information on how the systems work and have the stuff dumped etc. information will be available in the future for people, which is the point of the project.

Actually, one of the major intentional results of the MAME project is the discovery and creation of documentation about hardware and games, a good deal of it outside of MAME itself.

One other good thing about MAME vs. other emulation activities, namely GoodTools: You aren't downloading five overdumps, trained copies, release group hacked intros and other garbage for the one [!] marked ROM ;) Of course the GoodTools-assisted releases pack 'em all into a single RAR so there's minimal space lost, but it's still nasty to deal with.

Danbo · Post by **Danbo** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:04 am

Dandy J wrote:yea, raizing games are garbage on mame, even the old wolfmames and stuff but its worse with the new ones

i 1cced battle garegga a few days ago on mame 0.131, didn't really notice any input lag or anything nasty like that.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:36 am

its not unplayable but it really feels like crap to me. basically the same as playing a game online or something. you can play it in raine to see the difference. if you can't notice, youre just not sensitive to input lag.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:41 am

Use Garemame then?

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:05 pm

whats garemame? does it own? wow why did i not know about this

cools · Post by **cools** » Tue May 12, 2009 1:18 pm

Ed Oscuro wrote:One other good thing about MAME vs. other emulation activities, namely GoodTools: You aren't downloading five overdumps, trained copies, release group hacked intros and other garbage for the one [!] marked ROM Of course the GoodTools-assisted releases pack 'em all into a single RAR so there's minimal space lost, but it's still nasty to deal with.

Stick with No-Intro and the problem vanishes

Apart from the multiple regions, but even that is solved nowadays with their custom dat file maker.