New HRAP for 360... Seimitsu this time.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:53 am

D wrote:pardon my curiousity, but why would one want to mod a stick that already has the best arcade parts in it?

It's an availability thing. Who says an all Seimitsu stick is the best? People might want to mix it up a little. I prefer Sanwa buttons and a Seimitsu stick.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:23 am

Small question thats a bit off-topic:
Does the Wii Fighting Stick by Hori have a Sanwa-Stick?

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:24 am

jonny5 wrote:seimitsu parts are NOT cheaper.....where are you getting this info?

and this consensus you speak of?? news to me.....

http://akihabarashop.jp/

Sanwa JLF-TP-8S - 2,495¥
Sanwa JLF-TP-8S-SK - 2,695¥
Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y - 2,195¥
Sanwa JLF-TP-8Y-SK - 2,295¥
Sanwa JLF-TP-8YT - 2,495¥
Sanwa JLF-TP-8YT-SK - 2,695¥
Sanwa JLW-TM-8 - 2,095¥

Seimitsu LS-32 - 1,650¥
Seimitsu LS-32-01 - 1,780¥
Seimitsu LS-33 - 1,500¥
Seimitsu LS-40 - 1,650¥
Seimitsu LS-40-01 - 1,780¥
Seimitsu LS-55 - 1,500¥
Seimitsu LS-55-01 - 1,650¥
Seimitsu LS-56 - 1,500¥
Seimitsu LS-56-01 - 1,650¥
Seimitsu LS-64 - 6,490¥

With the exception of the LS-64, which no one uses, Seimitsu joysticks are cheaper. Buttons are about the same prices from both manufacturers.

About wanting more resistance is sort of a unnecessary reason to get a Seimitsu, you can just use a lighter/heavier spring on a Sanwa. In fact, Seimitsu manufacturers the lightest spring (and the smallest joystick), the LS-33. So if you want that, that'd also be a reason to go with Seimitsu. Another good reason is if you want levered microswtiches, which no Sanwa joystick use, but most Seimitsus do.

antares · Post by **antares** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:32 am

Jockel wrote:Small question thats a bit off-topic:
Does the Wii Fighting Stick by Hori have a Sanwa-Stick?

No. Hori Stick & Buttons.

Jockel · Post by **Jockel** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:38 am

Nooooooooooooooooooooo :<
So only the HRAP has a Sanwa stick?
Is it at least moddable?

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 11:59 am

my modded 9000TB:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8549/imag0001yt1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6730/imag0002wl4.jpg

converted to a ps2 stick, and a lag-free USB adaptor for when i'm on ggpo

i wont show you the insides - my wiring is somewhat eccentric...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 1:25 pm

jpj wrote:my modded 9000TB:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8549/imag0001yt1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6730/imag0002wl4.jpg

converted to a ps2 stick, and a lag-free USB adaptor for when i'm on ggpo

i wont show you the insides - my wiring is somewhat eccentric...

Now I want to buy it. I guess you aren't going to want to sell it now though.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:01 pm

jpj wrote: converted to a ps2 stick, and a lag-free USB adaptor for when i'm on ggpo

Does it still work on the AV7000?

I'll go out on a limb and the main reason Seimitsu products are cheaper is b/c Seimitsu sells direct at a discount... they sell at the AM shows WAY cheap. Sanwa does not. That's why the price differential from akihabarashop.jp is so big. If you go to a shop in Akihabara, the price diff is about 100 yen at most.

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:13 pm

yeah, converting it back is a piece of piss. the normal circuit board inside is held in place by 4 screws. undo those, and snip the wires.

toughest part was that the end of the ps2 controller (that you plug into the console) is too big to go through the circular hole you're left with after taking the circuit board out. so i had to snip the wire from my cheapo ps2 pad real close to the pad, strip it back a bit, solder all the buttons and directions into place, feed the cable through the hole, and then solder the wire to the ps2 circuit board, which was like 8 tiny solder points in a row (my soldering iron is about 1/2 an inch thick

)

i only play wii sports, virtua tennis, and pro evo with my friends; so 1 stick for the supergun is fine really

and no, i don't think i'd sell it really

when the exchange rate gets better i'll do one for my DC as well, which should be loads easier

Etrian · Post by **Etrian** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:58 pm

Hmm.. not sure if want! I already have the black HRAP for 360. >_>

Meh, gonna pass on this for now.. I'm up to my eyeballs in sticks as it is..

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:14 pm

jpj wrote:my modded 9000TB:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/8549/imag0001yt1.jpg
http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/6730/imag0002wl4.jpg

converted to a ps2 stick, and a lag-free USB adaptor for when i'm on ggpo

i wont show you the insides - my wiring is somewhat eccentric...

That looks great and all but how come you didn't just go the converter route? I made sure to get my 8000TB with Sega Saturn, PS1, and PS2 converter cables (somehow, the conversion process used for 1 PS system doesn't work for the other) so that they'd double as arcade and console sticks. I've tried it using a Pelican converter as well and it works fine (although I prefer my modded HRAP2).

I think the plus and minus of Sigma's sticks is that the edges are so sharp. A great potential weapon since this thing will probably just go right through skin but potentially dangerous if you ever accidentally brush up against it (which I've thankfully never had the misfortune of doing).

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 3:21 pm

the ps2 pad i used was free, and i like having an excuse to get my soldering iron out

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:04 pm

http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

$229, ugh

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:24 pm

Elixir wrote:http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

$229, ugh

Gotta give thanks for the yen to American dollar exchange rate. Might as well bite the bullet and pay through the nose for one, right? Limited production run surely means paying inflated prices on the account that one can't it anymore brand new at the asking MSRP in the nearby future. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 8:42 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:
Elixir wrote:http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

$229, ugh
Gotta give thanks for the yen to American dollar exchange rate. Might as well bite the bullet and pay through the nose for one, right? Limited production run surely means paying inflated prices on the account that one can't it anymore brand new at the asking MSRP in the nearby future. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

You said the same damn thing about the original black HRAP when it was coming out. It was listed at Play-Asia for $189 at the time. Now the same thing's coming out into the US market for $130.

I'll have to pass on this stick. Perhaps if I can find myself a SF4 TE stick I'll get that.

power UP · Post by **power UP** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:11 pm

BTW: Is hardware also 'region locked'?

AraraSPAMWitch · Post by **AraraSPAMWitch** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:16 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:
Elixir wrote:http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

$229, ugh
Gotta give thanks for the yen to American dollar exchange rate. Might as well bite the bullet and pay through the nose for one, right? Limited production run surely means paying inflated prices on the account that one can't it anymore brand new at the asking MSRP in the nearby future. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Actually, I don't think that's entirely true. The HRAP2 SA was going for something ridiculous when it was released, around 200 or so, and retailers surrounded it with limited run hyperbole, but a few months after the initial release I managed to pick a new one up for under 130 shipped on ebay. I was kind of skeptical, considering it was ebay and cheap, but it was legit. And then a friend of mine got the same thing for around 95 dollars, so waiting around for the price to drop after a few months will probably work nicely.

Besides, since Seimitsu doesn't have quite the same widespread renown in the American scene, I doubt demand will be super high at least in America. Then again, I may have absolutely no idea what the hell I'm talking about, so eh.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 9:23 pm

AraraSPAMWitch wrote:
PC Engine Fan X! wrote:
Elixir wrote:http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

$229, ugh
Gotta give thanks for the yen to American dollar exchange rate. Might as well bite the bullet and pay through the nose for one, right? Limited production run surely means paying inflated prices on the account that one can't it anymore brand new at the asking MSRP in the nearby future. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~
Actually, I don't think that's entirely true. The HRAP2 SA was going for something ridiculous when it was released, around 200 or so, and retailers surrounded it with limited run hyperbole, but a few months after the initial release I managed to pick a new one up for under 130 shipped on ebay. I was kind of skeptical, considering it was ebay and cheap, but it was legit. And then a friend of mine got the same thing for around 95 dollars, so waiting around for the price to drop after a few months will probably work nicely.

Besides, since Seimitsu doesn't have quite the same widespread renown in the American scene, I doubt demand will be super high at least in America. Then again, I may have absolutely no idea what the hell I'm talking about, so eh.

You lucked out on paying less than retail for your HRAP2-SA variant, AraraSPAMWitch. The smart hard-core gamers already have one of those HRAP-EX SE on pre-order. ^_~

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Tue Jan 27, 2009 10:56 pm

AraraSPAMWitch wrote:
PC Engine Fan X! wrote:
Elixir wrote:http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

$229, ugh
Gotta give thanks for the yen to American dollar exchange rate. Might as well bite the bullet and pay through the nose for one, right? Limited production run surely means paying inflated prices on the account that one can't it anymore brand new at the asking MSRP in the nearby future. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~
Actually, I don't think that's entirely true. The HRAP2 SA was going for something ridiculous when it was released, around 200 or so, and retailers surrounded it with limited run hyperbole, but a few months after the initial release I managed to pick a new one up for under 130 shipped on ebay. I was kind of skeptical, considering it was ebay and cheap, but it was legit. And then a friend of mine got the same thing for around 95 dollars, so waiting around for the price to drop after a few months will probably work nicely.

The 360 HRAPs seem to be actually rarer, while I see a bunch of the HRAP 2 SAs and HRAP 2s on eBay, I almost never see the 360 one, and it's much more expensive.

In comparison, the PS3 HRAP is pretty cheap and there's always those around. I guess it's just supply and demand. PS3 HRAP makes for a good PC HRAP though, since it's just USB.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:55 am

toughest part was that the end of the ps2 controller

I cheated. I have the Sigma official PS/PS2 cable. It's out of production though for some stupid reason.

how come you didn't just go the converter route?

hard to get. I'm on the lookout for a 9000TV->Saturn cable. Until then, I have to settle for the 9000TB->NG Cable (thanks ud)->Sigma SS cable.

Animaitor · Post by **Animaitor** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 9:48 am

GaijinPunch is totally correct. I went to "Try" ( http://www.try-inc.co.jp/ ) and "Mak! Japan" ( http://www.mak-jp.com/ ) in Akihabara during my bento time to compare the Sanwa and the Seimitsu sticks and the later one is actually a few yen more expensive...

I already preordered the Hori Real Arcade Pro EX SE from Hori's website and the delivery is free!! You can even choose the date and time of the delivery!

February the 5th, 9pm, end of my social life... here I go!!! >_<'

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:09 am

Is this available for preorder anywhere?

Animaitor · Post by **Animaitor** » Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:32 am

Elixir wrote:Is this available for preorder anywhere?

It already came out a few weeks ago. You can try at the thread created under the Hardware section related to the HARP EX-SE:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=24297

For what I can remember, Akihabara shop was sold out just a few days after they opened preorders. Playasia doesn't carry it (only the HARP EX) and the only one I know that still might have it is "ncsx" http://www.shopncsx.com/horirealarcadeproexse.aspx

Good luck!

jormungand · Post by **jormungand** » Sun Feb 22, 2009 10:22 am

Jockel wrote:Nooooooooooooooooooooo :<
So only the HRAP has a Sanwa stick?
Is it at least moddable?

Well, not all HRAPs do. Most have hori parts. The problem with the wii stick, if I remember correctly, was that if you wanted to put a new stick in it, you would have to cut a hole in the bottom panel as the case is pretty short. I think the buttons are soldered directly to the pcb too. In short, lots of internal modifications.

Back OT, for shooters, I will take a Seimitsu any day of the week, for fighting games, I played on Sanwa sticks for years, so I am used to them. I am only now trying Seimitsu sticks with fighting games, and having some decent results. Button-wise, Seimitsu all the way. OBSF buttons feel shallow. Though, I have noticed I replace Seimitsu buttons a bit quicker than Sanwas....Seimitsu makes those slick skeleton buttons too.