What is the going price for Guwange and Progear

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:15 pm

Im thinking of purchasing one pcb of the following in the near future

Guwange
Progear
Raiden Fighter 2
Bakraid...

which shmup is a great game to really blast me off my feet once my supergun arrives

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:29 pm

I would not pay over $320 for Progear unless it has original extras. I just saw two Progears end on Yahoo JP Auctions for $300, and one on eBay (in the UK) for $300 as well. Excellentcom.net had one listed for $320 as well, but it is now gone.

btw, this is without shipping and includes the A board.

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:37 pm

Battle Bakraid should be the cheapest of that list.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:10 pm

Battle Bakraid should be the cheapest of that list.

it is also the least likely to blast anybody off his feet, however. Neither technically nor designwise impressive, nice sound though. If you happen to love everything that is controversial about Battle Garegga, Bakraid might be something for you. It is very easy to get into, but extremely hard to get good at.
Guwange, however, looks and sounds very impressive, but challenges you to start over from the beginning, throwing everything you learned about shmups overboard and accept it as a one-of-a-kind challenge.
Progear, I´d say is for those who love ESPGaluda but prefer horizontal shmups.
Raiden Fighters 2 should be the most "neutral" choice of the pack. Very high chances of liking it from the get-go, but not as special as the other 3. Iirc, you were quite into Strikers 1999, right? RF2 is certainly more similar to this one than the other 3, although it´s still quite a different game.

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:15 pm

I'm actually really enjoying Battle Bakraid and should be putting a review up on Plasma Blossom sometime in the weekend. I find it both impressive and a huge amount of fun. It's just a shame that it can't get away from Battle Gareggas shadow.
In fact if truth be told i'm having much more fun with Bakraid than I ever did with Garegga.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:47 pm

How long have you been playing Bakraid? Have you hit a wall with score yet?

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:57 pm

I've been playing Bakraid on & off now for about a year on Mame. I just bought the board just over a month ago now. I'm not too bothered about score to tell you the truth Raiden, I like to play shmups for a survival/1cc. Battle Bakraid isn't really that hard to do compared to some other games (DDP - DOJ/Ketsui

), however I still have trouble clearing the advanced course. After that I guess it'll be the Boss Mode.
I understand the very harsh scoring/profitable suiciding mechanic that is involved with Bakraid and i know what you mean about hitting a wall with the game, but i'm prepared to take the time out and learn, because I really like this game.

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:19 am

im sold on guwange.Ive been playing this game off and on,on mame and surprisingly got the most "gameplay" whenever i started up mame. I am almost willing to sell my psp and collection just to grab a guwange board right now!

matt · Post by **matt** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:29 am

Guwange and Progear are must-haves, IMO. They will be expensive, but worth the money (more fun than a PSP).

Raiden Fighters 2 is great, but may or may not work on your monitor due to its wacky scanrate.

Bakraid is a fun game, but kind of derivative and not as spectacular as the rest. It's also not very expensive, so you should buy it anyways.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:54 am

Whichever you get, make sure to purchase Progear. It is a beautiful game with tight gameplay, unforgettable art and backgrounds not to mention very deep scoring. Also, grazing bullets in Progear is a blast and much more intuitive than DDP's hitboxes.

Dewclaw · Post by **Dewclaw** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:01 am

I just got Guwange this morning and I say if you had to choose between the two, get Progear. Obviously Guwange is the shit too but Progear is my favorite Cave game(that I've seen at least) The atmosphere and feel is cooler and the jeweling score system is just...magical

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:28 am

There's a reason why I sold my Guwange board to Dewclaw. I can see that it's Cave quality and all, but it didn't grab me. I'd rather be playing Donpachi, which I think is an excellent game but probably Cave's "worst". I then used the money for Progear, which I hope will be as good as the other excellent Cave games I have. Wouldn't have sold off Guwange for anything else than a Cave game.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:57 pm

Just to pose an opposite view, my initial thoughts of progrear wasn't very good after playing a bit in mame. First its Hori (I'm not against Hori, but means I'd have to rotate one of my cabs back...and just for this game). The music also sounds to kiddie like to me. And if you get any good, and start streaming their fire to jems (like in the superplays), all you will be hearing is this annoying chime sound for most of the game anyway.

Before people start flaming me, I'm sure all I need to do is really sit down with the real PCB for a long while to get "into it"...and this has been the case with most of the cave games for me. But I recommend people watch the superplay for the real game mechanics involved.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:00 pm

Dave_K. wrote:Just to pose an opposite view, my initial thoughts of progrear wasn't very good after playing a bit in mame. First its Hori (I'm not against Hori, but means I'd have to rotate one of my cabs back...and just for this game). The music also sounds to kiddie like to me. And if you get any good, and start streaming their fire to jems (like in the superplays), all you will be hearing is this annoying chime sound for most of the game anyway.

Before people start flaming me, I'm sure all I need to do is really sit down with the real PCB for a long while to get "into it"...and this has been the case with most of the cave games for me. But I recommend people watch the superplay for the real game mechanics involved.

No, you have a point. The jewel vacuuming system and how to balance the different gems & stones is way more complicated than how it feels. Click and others on his board have commented on this many times. It's going to take me months to get the hang of it (will start playing it again after I finally 1CC Batsugun).

Post by **undamned** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:45 pm

Dylan1CC wrote:It's going to take me months to get the hang of it (will start playing it again after I finally 1CC Batsugun).

Mmm, not months, unless you only play a couple times a week.
-ud

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:49 pm

undamned wrote:
Dylan1CC wrote:It's going to take me months to get the hang of it (will start playing it again after I finally 1CC Batsugun).
Mmm, not months, unless you only play a couple times a week.
-ud

Well, months to master maybe.

But I actually do only get to play my shmups about twice a week. I have 2 "shmup/game nights."

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP · Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:32 am

omg..im still torn between the two.,...guwange progear guwange progearguwange progearguwange progearguwange progearguwange progear...this sucks..as of now im edging towards progear but obviously will have to spend more because guwange boards are typically $250 + and progear is $300+....im just looking for boards only...any websites that contain these boards within my price range?

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:37 am

It's unfortunate... In all my personal gaming history I've only ever sold Tiger Heli and Asphalt Urban GT... but now that I'm starting to get into PCB, I'm contemplating selling more...
I finally got Zeroigar in the mail but buying a PC-FX has now been put on long-term hold. But I really do have a bunch of other crap I could sell...

I'm wondering if I should get either of these games too, but the possibility of Progear suiciding has me terrified... I'd probably end up changing the battery several times a year or something :p

matt · Post by **matt** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:32 am

PsikyoPshumpPshooterP wrote:guwange progear guwange progearguwange progearguwange progearguwange progearguwange progear

Sell your PSP and buy whichever one you find first. You will be happy either way.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:54 am

I prefer Guwange as it's a vert and I prefer it's more manic style.

But as most people are saying, either would be an excellent choice.

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:07 pm

Side question, does anyone know if the Asian version of Progear is missing the voices?

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:14 pm

As far as I have been told, yes. I thought I'd be receiving one of them today, but it turns out it was a blue board I got... Definitely no voices there, at least in the actual game. You can hear the damn voices in the test menu though!

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:03 pm

Hmm, so is the Boss Text actually in english?

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:34 pm

It's supposed to play in english. That's all I know...

8 1/2 · Post by **8 1/2** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:45 pm

There's always Ketsui.

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raiden · Post by **raiden** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:54 pm

There's always Ketsui.

has it dropped to reasonable prices again? I already have problems convincing myself to get one regular Cave PCB like Dangun Feveron for the price of 5 Toaplan PCBs, but Ketsui... okay, I haven´t played it yet, but it looks so generic, and the gameplay a part of what ESPGaluda offers already, I´d never pay the €500 asked for it last time I checked. Imo, it´s time Ketsui got mame´d, so the price is balanced to other games again.

Post by **undamned** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:32 pm

raiden wrote:I already have problems convincing myself to get one regular Cave PCB like Dangun Feveron for the price of 5 Toaplan PCBs...

You mean 2 of the cheaper Toaplan PCB's? Dangun hangs around $150, for the bare PCB. A smoking deal, IMO

-ud

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:38 pm

Wait how is Ketsui like ESPGaluda? I heart Ketsui ~_~.

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:52 pm

Around here, Toaplan PCBs get tossed around ebay for about €20-30. Recently, Flying Shark went for €50, but that could have been due to a slight hype in a local message board.
Ketsui gives more valuable score cubes for point blanking enemies. ESPGaluda gives more green gems that can be used for scoring.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:31 pm

raiden wrote: Ketsui gives more valuable score cubes for point blanking enemies. ESPGaluda gives more green gems that can be used for scoring.

This one aspect may be similar, but the gameplay between Ketsui and ESPGaluda is completely different. ESPGaluda is much slower in pace. Ketsui is "in your face" manic without the rigid chaining of something like DDPDOJ.