Where has all the manly violent anime gone?

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:43 am

Skykid wrote:
Sure Ceph, most journalists don't go anywhere near literature.

I'd suspect as much, considering that most journalists are failed writers.

Wait, am I actually arguing about taste with the guy who created a thread to show off his personal video game collection and his girlfriend in a public internet forum? ...Nah.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:46 am

Ceph wrote:
Skykid wrote:
Sure Ceph, most journalists don't go anywhere near literature.
I'd suspect as much, considering that most journalists are failed writers.

Wait, am I actually arguing about taste with the guy who created a thread to show off his personal video game collection and his girlfriend in a public internet forum?

Yes, you are.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:58 am

Yes, I am.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:18 am

Samurai Champloo is pretty good, I'll second that.

Also, I didn't notice a mention of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, which is pretty damn great as well. It's the #1 series on MyAnimeList.net.

Then again, I can't name much else. I'm into girly anime myself.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:37 am

RackGaki wrote:I can't believe that this thread has gone on so long without mention of Elfen Lied. Maximum blood + maximum cutesy fan service. I don't care for it, but someone here probably does.

Dark secret of mine: I like Elfen Lied

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:06 am

captpain wrote:
RackGaki wrote:I can't believe that this thread has gone on so long without mention of Elfen Lied. Maximum blood + maximum cutesy fan service. I don't care for it, but someone here probably does.
Dark secret of mine: I like Elfen Lied

Its cool so far. I like the blood and severed limbs scenes.
Could do without all the cutesy love shit, though.
For all the dudes on here who like that shit EXPLAIN YOURSELVES.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:07 am

Never_Scurred wrote: For all the dudes on here who like that shit EXPLAIN YOURSELVES.

I have a cuteness fetish.

EDIT: Also, I noticed a mention of Higurashi-- love it to death, excellent series. The first season was better though, if you ask me. Higurashi no Naku Koro ni Kai explains how everything happened in the first season though.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:14 am

And another thing...
What the hell is up with all the breast shots every damn 10 minutes?
I never thought I would be complaining about BREASTS in any medium, but here its neither sexy or cute. Is this what they call "fan service"?
In that case then I like fanservice like I like Nazis AND I FUCKING HATE NAZIS.
Please, if you actually like this shit, -99 to your manhood.

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:24 am

That's kind of why people like watching Elfen Lied - Lucy's naked half the time.
Just finished Ghost in the Shell, watching Gunnm. This thread got me in the mood for some old stuff.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:35 am

Momijitsuki wrote:Then again, I can't name much else. I'm into girly anime myself.

"Takes his man card"
"Rips it in two"

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:37 am

Never_Scurred wrote:And another thing...
What the hell is up with all the breast shots every damn 10 minutes?
I never thought I would be complaining about BREASTS in any medium, but here its neither sexy or cute. Is this what they call "fan service"?
In that case then I like fanservice like I like Nazis AND I FUCKING HATE NAZIS.
Please, if you actually like this shit, -99 to your manhood.

Get used to the breasts. And the cutesy business. Apart from that, it's got a fairly cool story and great action.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:42 am

captpain wrote:
Never_Scurred wrote:And another thing...
What the hell is up with all the breast shots every damn 10 minutes?
I never thought I would be complaining about BREASTS in any medium, but here its neither sexy or cute. Is this what they call "fan service"?
In that case then I like fanservice like I like Nazis AND I FUCKING HATE NAZIS.
Please, if you actually like this shit, -99 to your manhood.
Get used to the breasts. And the cutesy business. Apart from that, it's got a fairly cool story and great action.

The story thus far is....pretty cool I guess. It could move a bit faster. I mean, {spoilers}does the homeless girl have any significance to the story other than just being there when the soldier shit went down?{spoilers}

RackGaki · Post by **RackGaki** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:43 am

captpain wrote:Dark secret of mine: I like Elfen Lied

To each their own; I'm not particular about what someone does or doesn't like.

I should have never used the word "cutesy" because this thread loses a bit of manliness every time its repeated. Crap I did it again!

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 4:12 am

Never_Scurred wrote:
Momijitsuki wrote:Then again, I can't name much else. I'm into girly anime myself.
"Takes his man card"
"Rips it in two"

I never was the epitome of manliness.

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:13 am

hmmm...off the top of my head .....

ergo proxy(very good imo)
basilisk
trinity blood
hellsing
elfen lied(semi cutesy...but gory as fuck)
full metal panic
samurai champloo

the list could go on

and i enjoyed SAC...me luvz the cyberpunk

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:49 am

Momijitsuki wrote:
Never_Scurred wrote:
Momijitsuki wrote:Then again, I can't name much else. I'm into girly anime myself.
"Takes his man card"
"Rips it in two"
I never was the epitome of manliness.

Count me in, too. No man card to rip here, unfortunately...I already ripped it into pieces and burned them all years ago.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:53 am

jonny5 wrote:trinity blood

Good Lord, opinion invalidated.

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:19 am

Aru-san wrote:
Momijitsuki wrote:
Never_Scurred wrote: "Takes his man card"
"Rips it in two"
I never was the epitome of manliness.
Count me in, too. No man card to rip here, unfortunately...I already ripped it into pieces and burned them all years ago.

Yes! I'm not alone!

Seriously though, check out Samurai Champloo, Higurashi no Naku Koro ni (Kai), and Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.

I question the tastes of anyone who does not like Gurren Lagann.

Domino · Post by **Domino** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:32 am

Good lord many animes nowadays are too "cute" for my taste. With the computer graphics it's just not the same as drawing it on a cell.

80s-early 90s animes holds a special place in my heart. For some reason I found a lot of them better to watch than modern animes. If you look at my anime DVD shelf just about all of them are mostly from the 80s to early 90s.

The truth is not all modern animes are bad, but seriously there's too much slice-of-life animes, animes that were made from a dating sim, and too much boys who are like the 7th grade who gets control of a mecha and he knows how to control it.

I just finish watching Gurren Lagann not too long ago and I thought it was good.

The only current anime that I'm watching is Tytania (from the people who created Legend of The Galactic Heroes which IMO is the greatest anime ever created). If you like LOGH this is the show to watch.

Another show that I'm waiting to watch in January is Viper's Creed. It looks pretty interesting, but we'll see how it is.

Other than a few current shows most modern anime IMO is crap.

I'm waiting until all the episodes of the Golgo 13 series is subbed. Someone need to sub the new Cobra OVAs and the TV series!!!!!!!!

Here's a list of 80s-early 90s animes I would recommend to people:

AD Police Files
Black Magic M-66
MD Geist I and II
Area 88 OVA (better than the TV series)
Crusher Joe (great movie)
Cyber City Oedo 808
Dangaioh
Dirty Pair
Genocyber (bloody, yes!)
Golgo 13: The Professional (I Like this better than Queen Bee)
Space Adventure Cobra (one of my favorite TV series from the 80s)
Gunbuster
Legend of Lemnear
Lilly C.A.T. (watch this in English if possible)
Madox-01
Mad Bull 34 (if you were a real man watch this ASAP!)
Neo-Tokyo
Otaku no Video (old-school anime fans will love this)
Patlabor (see the OVAs if possible, GOOD STUFF)
Project A-Ko
Roujin Z (A big satire)
They Were 11
Vampire Hunter D
Vampire Wars
Violence Jack (yes, Violence Jack)
Wicked City
Demon City Shinjuku
Wings of Honneamise (one of the greatest things Gainix ever did in their lifetime that IMO is better than EVA).
Fist of the North Star Movie

Ceph wrote:You mean Baoh, which was a pretty cool 80s manga series (iirc, Viz translated it into English in the early 90s). There was only one OAV, unfortunately (that's what you saw). Baoh was by the same artist who later drew JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

As owning all the manga issues of Baoh it's pretty good. I would recommend the manga more to the OVA (the OVA was weak IMO).

On the other hand the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure manga is the shit.

Shocky wrote:I think (hope!) every serious anime fan has seen Grave of the Fireflies by now. Amnesia is a bit more on the topic though. Good sci-fi written by the genius Yoshiaki Kawajiri.

The biggest problem with The Wind Name Amnesia is its length. Just barely over one hour and IMO it's not enough time to tell the whole story in its full. It could benefited if the movie was 90-100 minutes. Other than that it's a good flick.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:31 am

That's a pretty fine list there Domino (although I haven't seen them all!

)

I loved Cyber City, and even though I steer away from dubs whenever possible, the US trash dub is pure comedy on that one. I'm really glad somebody got Wings of Honneamise a mention: it's a first class movie.
I think when films get to that level, they transcend the medium. It really doesn't matter that it's Anime, it's good enough to be judged with the rest of world cinema.
A little classic!

Post by **Ghegs** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:35 am

Domino wrote:The only current anime that I'm watching is Tytania (from the people who created Legend of The Galactic Heroes which IMO is the greatest anime ever created). If you like LOGH this is the show to watch.

I don't think I've been able to watch many episodes of any anime after watching Legend of Galactic Heroes few years ago. Everything after that just feels...not nearly as good. I'm gonna have to give Tytania a try.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:46 pm

cause they realized they make way more money off nerds and pseudo-pedophiles with hug pillows and anime babe action figures

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:52 pm

i enjoyed black lagoon so watch that. its not true 80s feel (really nothing is anymore), but its pretty cool and everything they do thats Anime is a parody of other popular shit.

btw read shamo

D · Post by D » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:14 pm

Cool thread!
Hands up who watched all 153 hokuto no ken 1 en 2 episodes.
Awesome stuff.
I would recommend it over the movie, which doesn't make much sense in comparison to the series yet saves .
I too want more hnk, I'll check out the new series.
Thanks for all other tips.

In the meanwhile:

Ceph wrote:
Skykid wrote:
Ceph wrote: I'm beginning to see a pattern here.
What's that? That both SAC and Quantum of Solace are both pretty rubbish?
No, that you lack taste. Let me guess, you don't like reading books either?

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:43 pm

MathU wrote:
jonny5 wrote:trinity blood
Good Lord, opinion invalidated.

what?

it was pretty good....and i liked the animation.....and granted the series kinda went to shit 3/4 through, but it was great up til then

ZOM · Post by **ZOM** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:57 pm

Yup, that's the exact reason why I quit watching anime. That and the ugly undetailed visuals(especially backgrounds) we have in anime nowadays...
Hell, just compare Macross' detailed ship hulls or Hnk's awesome post-apocalyptic setting to the friggin CG garbage of today's stuff...

@Never_Scurred
I recommend checking out Genocyber. It's not that every anime has a scene of little kids getting torn apart from a Heli's gattling.

Domino · Post by **Domino** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:39 pm

Skykid wrote:That's a pretty fine list there Domino (although I haven't seen them all! )

I loved Cyber City, and even though I steer away from dubs whenever possible, the US trash dub is pure comedy on that one. I'm really glad somebody got Wings of Honneamise a mention: it's a first class movie.
I think when films get to that level, they transcend the medium. It really doesn't matter that it's Anime, it's good enough to be judged with the rest of world cinema.
A little classic!

The dub was actually done in the UK by Manga Entertainment. A regular Manga dub for its era (rewrite the script, and insert a lot of cursing). Another Manga UK dubs were Angel Cop, Mad Bull 34, Appleseed OVA, and a few others which I can't remember from the top of my head.

Cyber City has some good VAs, but the script was good and pretty funny in certain moments. I would recommend people to see this show, considering that Kawajiri was behind the series.

Ghegs wrote:

I don't think I've been able to watch many episodes of any anime after watching Legend of Galactic Heroes few years ago. Everything after that just feels...not nearly as good. I'm gonna have to give Tytania a try.

Guess like we're both on the same boat. After watching LOGH I really can't make myself watch a long TV series ever again. Because I know I'll be bitching that the show is just not that good compare to LOGH. Then again I watch mostly OVAs and movies.

ZOM wrote:@Never_Scurred
I recommend checking out Genocyber. It's not that every anime has a scene of little kids getting torn apart from a Heli's gattling.

For Genocyber watch episodes 1-3. Episodes 4-5 were a train wreck that should be avoided. If I remember the English dub wasn't that bad at all.

It's funny cause I let one of my friends borrow Genocyber (since he read the manga) and a few days later he return the DVD to me pissed since it was so different from the manga and it was bloody as hell.

Post by **undamned** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:09 pm

On the focal point of manliness, you may get a real kick out of "Cromartie High School", by Eiji Nonaka. The entire premise of the show is all these guys trying to prove how tough they are.

Also, if you haven't seen "Jin-Roh: The Wolf Brigade," it's pretty awesome if you can stay awake (long movie). The suits the soldiers wear are worth the price of admission. It's one of the few Anime that I can recall actually shouting "No way!" at the end 'cause it was such a shocker.
-ud

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:12 pm

why on earth they dont reset the berserk anime or start from where the series ended which was when it really starts getting good i dont know

its been what ten years now its is awesome.

the the only manga ive ever read which features child being raped and i have enjoyed. Not the child rape thats bad a tragic. . . but it does make for good character back story

ZOM · Post by **ZOM** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 3:16 pm

Domino wrote: For Genocyber watch episodes 1-3. Episodes 4-5 were a train wreck that should be avoided.

Yeah, huge disappointment. I'm not sure about this because I never checked, but the later episodes sure felt like a completely different director was at work.

Domino wrote: It's funny cause I let one of my friends borrow Genocyber (since he read the manga) and a few days later he return the DVD to me pissed since it was so different from the manga and it was bloody as hell.

Maybe the aforementioned scene was a bit too much for him.