No Blu Ray for Xbox 360

[Daedalus]

Christ, shut up Kaiser. Having Crueltear for your signature should be enough to discourage you from questioning anyone else's sexuality, and the toilet stuff makes you sound like a little brat.

As for the topic, I don't see the big deal. What did you really expect Microsoft to say - "Wow, our competitor's product is the wave of the future!"? While I doubt HD-DVD could have really wiped out Bluray (due to Sony's mammoth catalog) if it had emerged as the superior format, likely Sony would be saying the same thing as this guy.

In regards to the console bickering... I only own a 360 myself, but my father and sister own a PS3 and Wii respectively, so I've played both of those a good deal. Ultimately, I'm really satisfied with the 360 - I like the exclusives, the controller, and the OS software. I've never suffered the RROD. Yet it's not all rosy - Some of the add-ons ARE expensive (Wireless adapter, hard drive) and online fees do add up (Although, up to this point, you are paying for a superior online service.) My father likes to watch a lot of movies and is more interested in the multiplatform games like Madden, so I feel the PS3 was right for him. And my sister, a kinesiologist, loves jumping around with the wii and gets more use out of it than her xbox, so I would say that was right for her (elitist arguments like "it's not for real gamers" shouldn't even be considered).

But although I personally prefer the 360, I want to see all 3 consoles continue to do well. I know I'm going to irritate a lot of fanboys with this comment, but the Playstation 2 really was a shitty system. It was essentially a CPU upgrade for the Playstation with some mediocre (and largely unimplemented) addons like the hard drive and network adapter. Microsoft introduced some sharp competition where Sony had previously dominated, and this has been one of the most innovative generations of console with manufacturers continuing to retool their platforms throughout their life. We wouldn't see this in an era of single-manufacturer dominance.

In short, I play 360. Play what you want. No sense in 4 pages of flames when we're all gamers here.

[nem]

I think we can all argree that it would have been a good idea to include a storage medium with higher capacity than DVD when Xbox 360 was first released

not waiting for a DVD successor [snip] seems to be paying off

Surprise, Microsoft, like any other company, is out there to make a profit.

I still don't see why people make a fuss about the lack of a larger storage medium. The same thing was said of the GameCube when it was launched, and in retrospect, I can't think of one game that was severely hindered due to the medium (unlike the games on N64, of which I can think of many). Honestly, what PS3 game genuinely benefits from the Blu-Ray format?

PS. sleeveless shirts are considered underwear?

[Ceph]

Playstation 2 really was a shitty system

Agreed, the hardware was pretty weak, but with all the support it got it didn't matter. Which strangely reminds me of 360 now.

[nem]

the Playstation 2 really was a shitty system. It was essentially a CPU upgrade for the Playstation

Umm, no. The PS2 was a radical departure from the original PlayStation. In fact, they ditched everything from the old PlayStation (controller excluded) and started completely anew, which unsurprisingly, disgruntled a lot of developers. But you have to give credit where it is due, Sony kept improving middleware and development software which made the PS2 a venerable competitor for the Xbox and GC that were released 18 months later. That's an impressive feat.

[Strider77]

well, strider77 is one big flaming homosexual with fanboy bits here and there, i even saw a naked pic of him *insert a naked man pic here*.

flaming white nigger homosexual

brilliant.... I'll be sure to tell all my "nigger" and "flaming homosexual" friends you send your regards.

fanboy... me? I never put all my eggs into one basket.... I own all three and my PS3 and 360 libraries are about equal now.

[MathU]

I think we can all argree that it would have been a good idea to include a storage medium with higher capacity than DVD when Xbox 360 was first released, because games are constantly getting larger.

I disagree. Development costs for games are already skyrocketing out of control. You don't need anywhere near the capacity of Blu Ray to make a complete game yet, and furthermore I think Sony's inclusion of it in their PS3 for any sort of gaming purposes is an excellent example of trying to implement a technology before it's matured.

[Grinning Cat]

I disagree. Development costs for games are already skyrocketing out of control. You don't need anywhere near the capacity of Blu Ray to make a complete game yet, and furthermore I think Sony's inclusion of it in their PS3 for any sort of gaming purposes is an excellent example of trying to implement a technology before it's matured.

Nail meets head. After a string of Hindenberg-esque propriety formats, I think it's fair to say that Sony had more than a slight vested interest in building a console around Blu-Ray. Ironically, this decision has probably actually been vindicated (the format did win the HD war), but in all honesty, Blu-Ray's victory is almost entirely disconnected from gaming. Well, apart from the paradox that a lot of consumers watch their Blu-Ray films on a games console

[Ed Oscuro]

I don't think the consoles have so much RAM that the new format is a necessity, but they do have enough that there's no reason for horribly compressed textures or low-detail areas. 360 seems to be pretty nearly equal with PS3 for detail in games, although somebody who has the systems will have to compare texture compression in one vs. another.

All Blu-Ray could be expected to deliver (and I don't think it does, because the PS3 is about 9 MB/sec transfer, with the 360 doing 16 MB/sec, notably faster) is faster loading in terms of not needing to decompress stuff from a DVD (and possibly higher quality textures, if you're right up against the storage limit on your 360 DVD). Beyond that, who has time or budget to fill up a disc when all the console is capable of is already being done at passable levels of detail? The new format would just mean you get many more hours of gameplay, but not higher-def gameplay.

[Taylor]

I think we can all argree that it would have been a good idea to include a storage medium with higher capacity than DVD when Xbox 360 was first released, because games are constantly getting larger.

I disagree. Development costs for games are already skyrocketing out of control. You don't need anywhere near the capacity of Blu Ray to make a complete game yet, and furthermore I think Sony's inclusion of it in their PS3 for any sort of gaming purposes is an excellent example of trying to implement a technology before it's matured.

Well, this is because of the bigger teams needed on all these hyper-realistic AAA titles. A Blu-Ray isn't going to cripple anyone. And while it’s not going to make a game exponentially more awesome, tonnes of storage space isn’t a bad thing.

As far as I know the only game that really uses the Blu-Ray well is Metal Gear Solid, with something like 35gb of uncompressed 7.1 audio. This is not going to make the game amazing in itself but, if you’ve got the room, why not?

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, this is because of the bigger teams needed on all these hyper-realistic AAA titles. A Blu-Ray isn't going to cripple anyone.

Especially when you consider that everybody's cross-developing for systems based on DVD, too.

[Taylor]

There's a few games on the 360 that require more than one DVD, though obviously you’re not going to buy a console entirely on the premise you’ll save 5 seconds doing this. Especially when a lot of PS3 games have hard-drive installs...

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I played LBP today at some expo they have in London. It’s really just two rooms of comfy chairs and Playstation 3’s, with an embroidery section devoted to making your own sackboys (though I was not inclined to do so myself). I nitpicked about the few frames delay on the jump and typical physics problems because I’m a retentive arse, but we both found it really intuitive and... fun.

It was really interesting watching little kids play the game and experiment with the level builders. They didn’t seem to have any trouble at all, despite the complicated nature of it.

I have to admit this could be a turning point if handled correctly. And Sony seems to be gearing up to market the heck out of it. Certainly you couldn't move on the underground without seeing an advert for it, and the sackboy character could be a definate icon.

[Lordstar]

I think Sony's inclusion of it in their PS3 for any sort of gaming purposes is an excellent example of trying to implement a technology before it's matured.

Loading times and the fact you have to install to the hard drive are big give aways to this.

[Skykid]

Jeez, this thread is shocking.

Kaiser, take that shit somewhere else.

Ceph, posting pictures of people, regardless of whether or not it's a past avatar, and then insulting their haircut, is so childish its ridiculous. You're losing any credibility by the post on here - not good.

For the record there's nothing wrong with that pic at all, the same as there's nothing wrong with your fairly badly drawn, rather over-smug avatar.

I'd really like to see this thread die now, and I'd really hope Ceph that you can leave the gamers to enjoy their console of choice without being wound up by anymore 'fact' based topics.

[Strider77]

we are all kinda getting in the gutter now... me included. it didn't help much that I had some drinks before I started forum surfing after work last night.

my apologies to ceph for the pap smear ect comments. but I kinda don't apologize for the forum spamming crap.. I mean it was catty sure but so has alot recently on the whole system debate crap....

but i do stand behind my points... i think they are very valid and I stand behind both my 360 and PS3.

[Kaiser]

we are all kinda getting in the gutter now... me included. it didn't help much that I had some drinks before I started forum surfing after work last night.

my apologies to ceph for the pap smear ect comments. but I kinda don't apologize for the forum spamming crap.. I mean it was catty sure but so has alot recently on the whole system debate crap....

but i do stand behind my points... i think they are very valid and I stand behind both my 360 and PS3.

It's fine with us done to show your points, views on this stuff as long as you don't use insults (because it causes stupid chain reactions later, you saw what happened, fucking people doesn't mean people won't fuck you over. This doesn't apply just to you but to fucking everyone in this thread)

[Ceph]

Jeez, this thread is shocking.

Kaiser, take that shit somewhere else.

Ceph, posting pictures of people, regardless of whether or not it's a past avatar, and then insulting their haircut, is so childish its ridiculous. You're losing any credibility by the post on here - not good.

For the record there's nothing wrong with that pic at all, the same as there's nothing wrong with your fairly badly drawn, rather over-smug avatar.

I'd really like to see this thread die now, and I'd really hope Ceph that you can leave the gamers to enjoy their console of choice without being wound up by anymore 'fact' based topics.

Are you my mommy?

[Ceph]

I think we can all argree that it would have been a good idea to include a storage medium with higher capacity than DVD when Xbox 360 was first released, because games are constantly getting larger.

I disagree. Development costs for games are already skyrocketing out of control.

Having a high capacity storage medium doesn't automatically make development more expensive; after all you don't have to fill it.
It's just that in the long run it will be nice to have this option, especially for larger developers. After all, this new generation of consoles is supposed to last about a decade; that's a long time.

[mufunyo]

loldrama.

[Strider77]

It's fine with us done to show your points, views on this stuff as long as you don't use insults (because it causes stupid chain reactions later, you saw what happened, fucking people doesn't mean people won't fuck you over. This doesn't apply just to you but to fucking everyone in this thread)

you are a different story.... what about I have no clue.

[Kaiser]

loldrama.

EVERYONE LISTEN UP!

[Skykid]

Jeez, this thread is shocking.

Kaiser, take that shit somewhere else.

Ceph, posting pictures of people, regardless of whether or not it's a past avatar, and then insulting their haircut, is so childish its ridiculous. You're losing any credibility by the post on here - not good.

For the record there's nothing wrong with that pic at all, the same as there's nothing wrong with your fairly badly drawn, rather over-smug avatar.

I'd really like to see this thread die now, and I'd really hope Ceph that you can leave the gamers to enjoy their console of choice without being wound up by anymore 'fact' based topics.

Are you my mommy?

No, I'm your Daddy.

[trivial]

Seen any "superbit BR" movies lately, where a film's newish codec occupies the entire capacity? Diminished returns.

BR should have been for cheap full runs of TV series, with a cheap turntable changer.

[Ed Oscuro]

BR should have been for cheap full runs of TV series, with a cheap turntable changer.

That's not how da biz works. It's all about packaging so you feel like you're getting more for your money because they've plastered different promo stills across twelve big boxes

[spadgy]

On topic, I'm completely bewildered by how strongly people align themselves to one particular console. I have a slight favourite in the PS3, but they're all good machine's aren't they, with or without Blu-ray?

Off topic:

Ceph indeed doesn't post X360 "news" on the 2D gaming forum.

Why would he? Ceph's pretty much the only one who even reads or uses it. The thread on shmups that documents the ups and downs of the forum's server problems is probably busier than the forum, itself. You’d think it would get more 'accidental' traffic, simply because it's a spot-the-difference shmups…but, no.

Still, 2D Gaming is a really friendly, decent forum, and every visit is worth it for me. The fact that it's small and free from a lot of aggression is all part of the appeal. Of course I'm biased, but only because it's such a small and decent forum. And yeah, I once thought things were bitter between me and Ceph, and he still invited me to have a mod position, and over there I've found him to be a brilliant host.

[sven666]

Fixed, i hope you shit some bricks because it's the truth!

That's kind of not cool.

well, strider77 is one big flaming homosexual with fanboy bits here and there, i even saw a naked pic of him *insert a naked man pic here*. Speaking of which i'm sure he forgot to pay his whores which would blow his dick if they had the money because he spent the money on brown-colored games like Too Toilet Human, Gears of Crap, Crappy Tournament 2008 and other current-gen crap that abuses brown. Anyway, avoid that guy at all costs, fanboy = not cool

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No Blu Ray for Xbox 360

absoluteley amazing train of thought running thru this thread console wars never fail to amuze.

[D]

I'm glad this thread got resurrected.

[Lordstar]

this thread was making total sense until someone said this

white nigger

now im confused and dont know what to belive anymore?!