No Blu Ray for Xbox 360

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:11 am

http://www.videogaming247.com/2008/10/1 ... xperience/

Haha, this Greenberg guy sounds like a pretty sore loser. I bet if HD DVD had won, he'd whistle a different tune entirely.

Reminds me of "640k is enough".

Oh well, more power to PS3.

D · Post by D » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:27 am

Not yet, but if blu will take off, m$ will have no other option but to incorporate it. They will just sell it for a gigantic amount. If they had a built in hd dvd player from the get-go, perhaps hd dvd might've won in the first place.

Friendly Reminder: 11 november Firefly blu ray coming out, a must buy for me. I saw one pre-listed on ebay!

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:37 am

Also funny how he says that it's all about downloadable content. Of course, nobody wants to own a movie and everybody likes to pay for streaming every time they watch it. Alternatively: Enjoy downloading 25GB movies to your small (or non-existent) Xbox 360 HDD. (nb: XBLA size restrictions)

And since games are getting smaller all the time, surely DvDs will be large enough for decades to come.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:14 pm

This isn't surprising. Offering a Blu-Ray expansion would add to Blu-Ray's credibility, and might encourage people to compare 360+Blu-Ray to PS3 instead of 360 to PS3. If anything, Blu-Ray will probably go in 360's successor (hopefully MS learned their lesson about rushing and will take their time with the next one).

Downloadable (and especially streaming) content is probably the future, but in the US the cable and phone companies will see to it that it takes as long as possible for it to become mainstream so that they can delay infrastructure upgrades. Comcast has already instituted an explicit 250GB/month bandwidth cap, and others have vaguely-defined "excessive use" policies. Qwest offers such gems of guidelines as "300,000-500,000 photo downloads", "40,000 to 80,000 typically sized MP3 music downloads", or "15+ million unique e-mails". Naturally, they don't provide a number for HD movies.

Octopod · Post by **Octopod** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:18 pm

Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.

Grinning Cat · Post by **Grinning Cat** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:20 pm

Another thread; another 'twist' on Ceph's anti-Microsoft ravings. Will it ever end? I wouldn't hold your breath...

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:37 pm

Noboody is forcing you to read & comment on my threads, yet you always come back like a pesky little fly.

This is news. Don't like it? Ignore it. Ignorance seems to suit you.

All I'm doing here is provide an occasional reality check. If Sony/Nintendo act stupidly, then I usually am among the first to point it out.

D · Post by D » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:46 pm

Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.

They are not consoles any more. They are multi media boxes, music, video, internet, pictures and games. As long as I didn't have a dedicated box for it I would buy a console for video/music, etc.. I check more videos/music through the ps3 than games!

lol, I just saw this. http://kotaku.com/5065781/microsoft-thi ... d-in-japan
An old friend.....excellent funny choice of words.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:48 pm

Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.

Grinning Cat · Post by **Grinning Cat** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:50 pm

Ceph wrote:Noboody is forcing you to read & comment on my threads, yet you always come back like a pesky little fly.

This is news. Don't like it? Ignore it. Ignorance seems to suit you.

All I'm doing here is provide an occasional reality check. If Sony/Nintendo act stupidly, then I usually am among the first to point it out.

Ouch

But your 'reality checks' seem only to focus on Microsoft :S I mean, seriously, how many threads have you started (or taken over) recently, re your views on Microsoft? I'm more than happy to ignore...but to be honest, your views are becoming increasingly difficult to escape from

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:51 pm

In before shitstorm.

Octopod · Post by **Octopod** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:56 pm

D wrote:
Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.
They are not consoles any more. They are multi media boxes, music, video, internet, pictures and games. As long as I didn't have a dedicated box for it I would buy a console for video/music, etc.. I check more videos/music through the ps3 than games!

Yeah i got one of those also. It is called a computer.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:16 pm

Ceph wrote:Oh well, more power to PS3.

Yeah, more power to PS3. Sony has bluray! Microsoft is just left with games and third party support. Oh, wait...

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:50 pm

Ceph wrote:This is news. Don't like it? Ignore it. Ignorance seems to suit you.

All I'm doing here is provide an occasional reality check. If Sony/Nintendo act stupidly, then I usually am among the first to point it out.

This is news on the same level that Sony not adding DVD support to the PS1 is news.

How often do companies change the storage media on a console? It's the kind of thing that generally comes with a console change because it requires expensive hardware changes.

It's not stupid. It's no fucking duh.

mufunyo · Post by **mufunyo** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:52 pm

CStarFlare wrote:This is news on the same level that Sony not adding DVD support to the PS1 is news.

How often do companies change the storage media on a console? It's the kind of thing that generally comes with a console change because it requires expensive hardware changes.

It's not stupid. It's no fucking duh.

The HD-DVD drive was an optional add-on, and with the demise of HD-DVD, people are rightfully expecting Microsoft to come up with a replacement for it.

worstplayer · Post by **worstplayer** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:56 pm

Octopod wrote:
D wrote:
Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.
They are not consoles any more. They are multi media boxes, music, video, internet, pictures and games. As long as I didn't have a dedicated box for it I would buy a console for video/music, etc.. I check more videos/music through the ps3 than games!

Yeah i got one of those also. It is called a computer.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:59 pm

mufunyo wrote:
CStarFlare wrote:This is news on the same level that Sony not adding DVD support to the PS1 is news.

How often do companies change the storage media on a console? It's the kind of thing that generally comes with a console change because it requires expensive hardware changes.

It's not stupid. It's no fucking duh.
The HD-DVD drive was an optional add-on, and with the demise of HD-DVD, people are rightfully expecting Microsoft to come up with a replacement for it.

Exactly, but using a Sony product wouldn't look good for Microsoft, so Greenberg now pretends that there is no demand/usefulness.

However, if this is so, then why did they ever release their HD DVD add-on?

The truth is of course that Microsoft rushed development of the 360 (as becomes evident by looking at the design flaws) and didn't wait for a storage medium larger than DVD in order to be first-to-market.

gundamalpha · Post by **gundamalpha** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:27 pm

MathU wrote:
Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.

D · Post by D » Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:57 pm

gundamalpha wrote:
MathU wrote:
Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.

Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything, but not buying something for it's extra functionality is plain ridiculous.
I'm not buying that car because it has a cd player..... yeah right!

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:00 pm

Most of us here don't watch movies on their consoles. I only ever watched 2 movies on my PS2.

But Blu Ray is a selling point of PS3; there is no denying that many people buy PS3s because they can also watch Blu Ray movies on this console.
So not giving a Blu Ray drive to 360 owners is helping Sony sell PS3s.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:40 pm

I consider this thread news. Ceph spams his forum in some threads, but most of his original topics are worthwhile.

I agree with the "consoles are for games" sentiment. However, the PS2 is still my primary DVD player. Prior to that, I watched DVDs on my laptop. I never sought a DVD player, but devices I purchased for other reasons were capable of playing DVDs. As a result, I started buying DVDs. I think Blu-Ray on the PS3 could have a similar effect if it's even half as popular as the PS2.

I wondered if MS would ever make Blu-Ray an option, but I suspect they're waiting to see if Blu-Ray wins.

Made up quote wrote:Idiot! Blu-Ray already won!

No, Blu-Ray defeated HD-DVD. It still has not defeated DVD. In fact, Blu-Ray is currently losing market share. Something better may come along and eliminate both DVD and Blu-Ray, or perhaps DVD will remain on top until the optical disc becomes extinct.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:14 pm

I'd like to know what the market share of HDTVs is. Anyone got numbers?

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:26 pm

I think if MS want the jump on the next console they better get planning now (and leave some room for the fucking thing to breath for fuck sake). I really do belive that people still want to own something they can hold and fell and touch not just some code on a harddrive crammed on to the side of there console. Which is where bluray will come in unless they start selling games on SD cards or usb sticks (oh god please dont)

even with all the faults the 360 has I still think its the leader by a long shot on the console front. The dont require downloads or excessive loading like A BR its a solid game making platform the online exprience is second to none and its afordable.

the Wii is to me a gimic and they force that wiimote down everyones throats.

PS3 soft and hard is still far to over priced for me and I will likley only get one when im ready for the BR player. there is only about two or three games that really stand up and demmand purchace.

its intrestering this console race as I have sat on the side lines for most of it and been able to spectate. So I am very much impartial and I am far from a MS fanboy. I do perfer the 360 over everything but if MS want to go the route of streaming games or even making everything for DL they can suck my balls if they think im going to buy an XBOX MK3. fuck i would rather go back to paying 50GBP+ for cartridges than have everyhing on a hard drive.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:28 pm

Ceph wrote: But Blu Ray is a selling point of PS3; there is no denying that many people buy PS3s because they can also watch Blu Ray movies on this console.
So not giving a Blu Ray drive to 360 owners is helping Sony sell PS3s.

A very small % of people have made the jump to BR. the avrage joe on the street is not bothred or just cant see the difrence in a BR over a DVD.

|I dont think BR is the now, its still the future.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:43 pm

I think it's awesome how you can get the X360 HD-DVD drive for something like $20 in clearance bins (everywhere except where I live... still around $50). It connects through USB and evidently works with a PC. I think it could be worth the twenty bucks just to use it as a cheap external drive for installing stuff on netbooks, and then maybe once in a while you can find a HD-DVD movie in a bargain bin too.

I've installed a BD-ROM/HD-DVD-ROM in my PC so I will still pass on PS3 for now though.

I haven't been following too closely but what's the situation with all the HDCP and AACS bull lately?

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:49 pm

mufunyo wrote:The HD-DVD drive was an optional add-on, and with the demise of HD-DVD, people are rightfully expecting Microsoft to come up with a replacement for it.

It was also a failure. And while this might have to do with the fact that HDDVD didn't do well enough to survive, it's been noted in this thread that blu ray isn't doing extremely well despite the fact that it's winning. "People are expecting a replacement" is a bit misleading, because even if people were expecting it I don't know that there's much demand for it. They've had one failed "NEXT BIG THING" add-on for this console; were I Microsoft I wouldn't risk a second until blu ray was actually doing well.

In any case, the 360 is almost 3 years old. The xbox was out for four years before the 360 hit shelves. One could argue that Microsoft's next console is in development, and a better storage format (perhaps even blu ray) could be intended to be a selling point.

There's no denying that blu ray is a selling point for the PS3, but the 360 doesn't need help moving units, and anyone who considers a blu ray player to be the deciding factor in their console purchase would probably buy a PS3 anyway.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:11 pm

Ceph wrote:I'd like to know what the market share of HDTVs is. Anyone got numbers?

no numbers myself. but just try to get anyhting other than HD these days

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:15 pm

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MR_Soren wrote:Ceph spams his forum in some threads, but most of his original topics are worthwhile.

I try not to anymore. Constantly asking people to join is annoying and only has an adverse effect. There are enough users in the 2D forum now to make it an interesting source of information and news without any drama, and by now those who are interested in 2D have either decided to join it or let it be on their own. No need to push anyone.

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Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:28 pm

I bought a blu-ray player, and only use it to watch upscaled DVDs. Mind you, they do look great.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:12 pm

I am one of the few on here that only own a PS3 in this gen. I have 100 Blu ray movies and use my PS3 95% for movies. It also cleared alot of space because my DVD player, my PS2 and other bits and pieces have been retired early. So I got this one PS3 that does almost everything and not only does it work, but it beats the shit out of other devices that do the same thing.

I also copy alot of music and photos to it, its such an awesome machine.

Personally, I feel if there is a need for more than one console they need to do things differently. The Xbox360 and PS3 are too alike at the moment to justify more than one. Blu ray swung it for me.

On the subject of pricing, even if the 360 was £10 in the shops I would still have to justify buying one by what its got on it games wise, and so far that isn't a great deal for me. I don't play FPS so thats that.

If you want online networking, get an Xbox, if you want Blu ray, get a PS3.. Its that simple really.

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