No Blu Ray for Xbox 360

mufunyo · Post by **mufunyo** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:27 am

rrod

Nuff said.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:02 am

Taylor wrote:I wish we could keep this within one thread, but not only does it seem to need several, it still spills out into innocuous discussion.

That's a good word T.

Rolling Eyes

rrod

Nuff said.

Please elaborate!

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:45 am

who cares.... gears 2 is so close.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:48 am

Strider77 wrote:who cares.... gears 2 is so close.

I care. I wouldn't buy a TV, car or computer that suddenly RRODs while used as intended, either.

And concerning Gears of War 2:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 36&start=0

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:11 pm

Ceph wrote:
Strider77 wrote:who cares.... gears 2 is so close.
I care. I wouldn't buy a TV, car or computer that suddenly RRODs while used as intended, either.

Ceph, what's going on man? You're making yourself look like a complete dick.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:25 pm

I care. I wouldn't buy a TV, car or computer that suddenly RRODs while used as intended, either.

And concerning Gears of War 2:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 36&start=0

who cares.... gears 2 is so close.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:03 pm

Skykid wrote:Ceph, what's going on man? You're making yourself look like a complete dick.

What? While it doesn't belong in this thread, mufunyo said "rrod", Strider77 said "who cares", I said "I do".

You should, too. It's unfortunate how easy it is to corrupt a person's standards with a handful of games.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:20 pm

LBP is closer. That`s the point.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:26 pm

Ceph wrote:
Strider77 wrote:who cares.... gears 2 is so close.
I care. I wouldn't buy a TV, car or computer that suddenly RRODs while used as intended, either.

And concerning Gears of War 2:
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... 36&start=0

I agree with all points Ceph as made.

gundamalpha · Post by **gundamalpha** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:15 pm

Ceph wrote:
Skykid wrote:Ceph, what's going on man? You're making yourself look like a complete dick.
What? While it doesn't belong in this thread, mufunyo said "rrod", Strider77 said "who cares", I said "I do".

You should, too. It's unfortunate how easy it is to corrupt a person's standards with a handful of games.

No doubt many of us here are corrupted because of the games, so many games, so many quality games. Better than lame excuses for getting some gaming console for Blu ray

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:48 pm

I recall some Microsoft exec, around when the HD-DVD drive came out, saying that they could always just put out a Blu-Ray drive if it ended up winning the format wars. I wish I could find some quotes to back it up. Swore I read something like that on Joystiq around that time.

At some point I'll have to get a PS3 then I suppose. Only PS3 exclusive I'm really interested in is Wipeout HD but that could change. I'm interested in Blu-Ray now, after seeing that BBC Planet Earth series box set. I'd love to sit back on the couch and watch all those.

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:31 pm

szycag wrote:I recall some Microsoft exec, around when the HD-DVD drive came out, saying that they could always just put out a Blu-Ray drive if it ended up winning the format wars. I wish I could find some quotes to back it up. Swore I read something like that on Joystiq around that time.

They did say that, but it was hardly a promise and is of course subject to the obvious qualifier "if it's worth our time/money." One could make a strong argument against such a device being worth Microsoft's time/money.

In any case, I look at the RROD as the same kind of shit I went through with the PS2. I still love my PS2 because it delivered quality gaming, and I still love my 360 for the same reason (though I've yet to experience a problem with my 360 whereas my PS2 was giving random DREs to certain games within weeks).

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:39 pm

Ceph wrote:
Skykid wrote:Ceph, what's going on man? You're making yourself look like a complete dick.
What? While it doesn't belong in this thread, mufunyo said "rrod", Strider77 said "who cares", I said "I do".

You should, too. It's unfortunate how easy it is to corrupt a person's standards with a handful of games.

It's frustrating for everyone on this site who owns a 360 mate - and that's a lot. I'd almost say that the constant need to post up threads to try to defame the console and its worth are counter productive and negative to the gaming scene here, especially as it's constantly creating arguments.
Everyone here is here because they share a passion. Not for the current, but for retro gaming.
The fact that you don't own a 360, never have and never will, pretty much makes any attacking comments, or negative comments of a 'factual' nature null and void in the eye's of the people who own the console.
Why?
Because by owning one, they not only know that you're wrong, but they know better than you why you're wrong.

That's why you're starting to look like a dick.

Matsunaga · Post by **Matsunaga** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 9:17 pm

jpj wrote:christ knows why, but i'm gonna make another semi-serious post in a CONSOLE WARZ thread...

while the ps3 came out much later, i would also offer that it too was rushed to market. where sony were promoting "true HD", ie 1080p, there wasn't a single game released in the first six months that ran at a resolution higher than 720p, or any games that were actually even blu-ray discs! coupled with the sixaxis wiimote-copy motion control that was either poorly implemented, or not implemented at all.

.

Ridge Racer 7, a launch game, had full 1080p.. try to get the facts strait when bashing PS3

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:39 am

rrridge racerrr

but yes I'm sure reminisces about the good/bad old days (that aren't relevant today, unlike zombie launch 360s returning from da gwave) is not having much effect on my thoughts about the console warz at this moment

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:00 pm

Matsunaga wrote: Ridge Racer 7, a launch game, had full 1080p.. try to get the facts strait when bashing PS3

Okay:

PS3 is a console that currently isn't worth buying until the price drops and the catalogue of games improves.

How's that?

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:20 pm

How's that?

Lame. With 99% of third-party games being multiplatform, PS3`s and Xbox 360`s libraries are nearly completely identical and differentiated only by first-party games and a few rare third-party exclusives. So, if the PS3`s games catalogue needs to improve, then so does the 360`s.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:29 pm

Ceph wrote:
Skykid wrote:Ceph, what's going on man? You're making yourself look like a complete dick.
What? While it doesn't belong in this thread, mufunyo said "rrod", Strider77 said "who cares", I said "I do".

You should, too. It's unfortunate how easy it is to corrupt a person's standards with a handful of games.

This is ridiculous. How is somebody a dick because they want the stuff they buy to work?

It is sad how people are willing to accept junk and get hostile towards people who expect quality.

D · Post by D » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:04 pm

MR_Soren wrote:It is sad how people are willing to accept junk and get hostile towards people who expect quality.

That or they have enough money to not worry about defects. I'm not poor or to look at it from another perspective, I'm cheap + louthing of m$. To prevent rrod, I would turn it off every occasion I got. Not listen to music/ watch video, etc. And the expenses are way overrated because the joypads run on damn batteries! With a ps3 you just buy a generic 1 dollar hdmi cable off ebay. With the 360 you have to buy a special hdmi cable(I think?) and a rechargable battery pack. So how does that add up?
What about replacing the HD? I never replaced my 60 gb disc, but one day would love to replace it with a 500 GB disc!
So not calling people jackasses who buy one, because I would own one if had some extra dough at hand. So I'm jealous!

Why do I even respond to this thread?

Can't resist....must...not...reply........it's....useless.......

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:01 pm

MR_Soren wrote:
This is ridiculous. How is somebody a dick because they want the stuff they buy to work?

That's not what I said. What's ridiculous is when people post replies to other posts they clearly haven't bothered to read properly.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:53 pm

Skykid wrote:
MR_Soren wrote:
This is ridiculous. How is somebody a dick because they want the stuff they buy to work?
That's not what I said. What's ridiculous is when people post replies to other posts they clearly haven't bothered to read properly.

... and that's why I should avoid posting while at work. Forget I said anything.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:38 pm

So anyway, it seems to be concluded that Blu ray is not a feature Xbox360 owners would like. They are more delighted with games that are on offer currently.

On the other hand, anyone who thinks Blu ray is an important part of the future of home entertainment has gone out and bought a PS3.

Thats where the divide stands. You can't turn cats into dogs or vice versa, but you can all be friends.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 7:41 pm

Skykid wrote: The fact that you don't own a 360, never have and never will

As I have stated before, I will most likely buy one as soon as the design flaws are overcome. Statements like the above clearly indicate you don't read my posts.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:01 pm

........

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 8:26 pm

MSX VS. PC-8801 WARZ GO!

My brother loves his 360s. Yes, plural. He's gone through 3. And he takes care of his crap.

I have no stance, as I own neither of them.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 12:27 am

MR_Soren wrote:
Skykid wrote:
MR_Soren wrote:
This is ridiculous. How is somebody a dick because they want the stuff they buy to work?
That's not what I said. What's ridiculous is when people post replies to other posts they clearly haven't bothered to read properly.
... and that's why I should avoid posting while at work. Forget I said anything.

No big deal, it appears it happens to everyone:

As I have stated before, I will most likely buy one as soon as the design flaws are overcome. Statements like the above clearly indicate you don't read my posts.

However, taking on board the lengthy efforts that have been made by Ceph to completely damn the machine and forgoe any plus point it may have, I'm much more inclined to give Strider77's sensible reply of:

Strider77 wrote:........

a +1.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:26 am

And yet all this pales in comparison to the fact that I can play import PS2 games now, and Thunder Force VI is one week away from its release date.

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:38 am

Who here once had a sig that stated "fuck consoles, I play games"?

While I do agree that consoles - like everything else - should be built to last, you can't expect every manufacturer to have access to Nintendium (the hardest substance known to Man). I think you're pretty deluded if you thought that Microsoft, a software company originally (and a rather poor one at that) could suddenly churn out rock-solid hardware - they were always bound to bugger up somewhere.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 4:05 am

Nintendo's just exploiting their image and a gap in the strategies of the other console manufacturers is all - while the other guys are going "duhhh let's make stuff at the bleeding edge of both hardware and price" yeah that's not going to have any negative effects now is it...

Shocky · Post by **Shocky** » Fri Oct 24, 2008 2:55 pm

Skykid wrote: PS3 is a console that currently isn't worth buying until the price drops and the catalogue of games improves.

How's that?

You can't make claims like that. PS3 is more expensive, but it's undeniably the best hardware with no real problems or shortcomings, and who's to say what that this is exactly worth, and to WHOM.

A crude demographic study of the gaming population would show that there are now quite clear subpopulations such as older people with more money, young people with less money, casual/party/beginner gamers... The original gamers are getting older, have more money and have been used to the idea of pouring tons of money into gaming. Seems like PS3 is suited for that group. The launch price was indeed ridiculously high (especially in PAL regions) but now it's not such a big deal. About a third of my PS3 owning friends have bought it just as a Blu-ray movie device and don't have a real passion for games, but they do seem to buy the occasional Gran Turismo or Rockband, what ever.

Young people buy the 360 because it lets them access the bleeding edge of gaming at the cheapest price, and the great majority of them don't care about/think over the total cost: Batteries for controllers, Live-subscription for say 3-5 years, the agony of waiting for MS to replace the rrod/"Please insert Xbox 360 disc" machine just when your most eagerly awaited game finally arrived... (My cousin is a sworn xbot and is buying a second (third, if counting the one that's already broken) X360 just out of fear of this happening) No wonder it sells so well because people have to buy it over and over again =) Another reason for good sales in this population might be piracy. 360 games are the easiest to pirate, while PS3 are so far impossible. Poorer people can consider this point too when buying a console.

The game catalogue is not an issue anymore, like J. Ingram said. It's just a question of making a choice between relatively few exclusives. There's more than enough AAA titles to play on PS360. The only real exception is actually "our" genre: for shmup purists 360 is the only option. Then again, not everyone here is a shmup purist, I'd rather now be playing Dead Space than Ketsui *confession*.

The Wii is a totally different animal. When Wii-gamers grow up or get money they need to switch to a HD console. That is the law of the universe.

MS has played their cards very well, except for letting the rrod fiasco take place. When I was in Japan in August I noticed that marketing for X360 was surprisingly aggressive. The demo stands were at the best spots, right after an escalator etc. and impossible to miss, always boasting the latest exclusives even if the release was still far away in the future (Otomedius, jrpgs...) And now it seems that the hard work is paying off, the Japan sales are up. The PS3 on the other hand was less noticeable, the black stands with MGS4, Afrika etc. were in far corners and looked boring, failing to relay a promise of a bright future.

I'm a technocrat and movie enthusiast like many gamers, so the choice was easy: Welcome, Blu-ray.