No Blu Ray for Xbox 360

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:15 pm

what the fuck is blu-ray?

blu-ray · Post by **blu-ray** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:47 pm

what the fuck is jpj?

CStarFlare · Post by **CStarFlare** » Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:57 pm

jpj wrote:what the fuck is blu-ray?

idunno some fag

edit: oh fuck he's here isn't he

bVork · Post by **bVork** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:06 am

blu-ray wrote:what the fuck is jpj?

idunno some fag

edit: oh fuck he's here isn't he

Octopod · Post by **Octopod** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:51 am

D wrote:
gundamalpha wrote:
MathU wrote:
Nobody is forcing anybody to do anything, but not buying something for it's extra functionality is plain ridiculous.
I'm not buying that car because it has a cd player..... yeah right!

Not really what i meant

. I mean i am not going to buy one for the BR player not that i refuse to buy one because it has a BR player.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:00 am

We get the point, Ceph.

I'd ask you to post PS3 news as well, but there isn't any.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:42 am

Elixir wrote:We get the point, Ceph.

I'd ask you to post PS3 news as well, but there isn't any.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:25 am

Not sticking up for Ceph (even though I think he's a great guy), but talking down the PS3 for having some great features wouldn't be so bad, but your more than likely to stick up for the 360's shortcomings at the same time.

The PS3 is a great machine for alot of people and just because you don't want one doesn't make it any the less an outstanding piece of kit.

Maybe you should try playing a PS3, watching a blu ray movie before making judgements. I cannot believe (having owning 2 myself) that anyone can put the PS3 down legitimately without finding some positives.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:28 am

D wrote:
Octopod wrote:Bah, fuck Blu Ray. Seriously. I dont buy consoles to watch movies on.
They are not consoles any more. They are multi media boxes, music, video, internet, pictures and games.

Says who?

Get a decent computer, cripes.

Also, Microsoft has announced that they will be adding support for Blu-Ray (and DVD!) burning to Windows XP and up, so I don't see the utility in Microsoft shafting its userbase yet again. The HD-DVD addon won't work for games (not enough bandwidth) and they don't want to have to call in old consoles for an upgrade since they've got enough of that just keeping abreast of RRODs (the ones that are fixed they don't want to see again).

That said, I've always wondered how much money it would have added to the 360's unit cost to make 'em HD-DVD from the get-go - games would have had a modern level of storage. Another downside, of course, is more space to worry about filling up, something some devs didn't particularly care for.

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:35 am

Ceph wrote: Exactly, but using a Sony product wouldn't look good for Microsoft, so Greenberg now pretends that there is no demand/usefulness.

However, if this is so, then why did they ever release their HD DVD add-on?

I'd suspect the low attach rate of of the HD DVD players taught microsoft how useless tacked on hardware is. It's stupid for them to try to play catch up in video playback, just as it's stupid for them to tack on motion controls (like Sony did with the Sixxaxis). That's not what draws the vast majority of games to a console. They're just going to fracture their own hardware market more, not to mention enrich and supports their competitors format.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:24 am

The PS3 is a great machine for alot of people and just because you don't want one doesn't make it any the less an outstanding piece of kit.

same goes for 360.. that's why most folks don't take ceph's rants about the 360 all that serious.

as far as blu ray.... why would I want to buy one again in my 360?

I have watched all of three blu ray movies on my PS3 and only own one blu ray movie so far.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 10:51 am

Turrican wrote:
Ceph wrote:Oh well, more power to PS3.
Yeah, more power to PS3. Sony has bluray! Microsoft is just left with games and third party support. Oh, wait...

Brilliant.

Turrican has pretty much summed up the worth of this thread.

I've said it before and I'll say it again that if you look really carefully, you'll see it's Sony's reliance on the multimedia aspects of its machine that have broken its legs.

And Octopod is 100% right, who gives a fuck about Blu Ray? They're overpriced and over-hyped anyway. When I had my PS3 the upscaler was so good, I'd never have spent the extra for Blu Ray discs - it's pointless.

Ceph, you are taking it a little far now. Who are you trying to convince?
The 32 million Wii owners who don't have Blu Ray, the 28 million Xbox 360 owners who don't have Blu Ray, or the 15 million PS3 owners who do?

Haha, this Greenberg guy sounds like a pretty sore loser. I bet if HD DVD had won, he'd whistle a different tune entirely.

That goes without saying, he's a businessman.

This sort of commentary is pointless. It just makes me think you're bitter because you bought a PS3 but have sod all to play on it.
Except Blu Rays of course.

Octopod · Post by **Octopod** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:54 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:Not sticking up for Ceph (even though I think he's a great guy), but talking down the PS3 for having some great features wouldn't be so bad, but your more than likely to stick up for the 360's shortcomings at the same time.

The PS3 is a great machine for alot of people and just because you don't want one doesn't make it any the less an outstanding piece of kit.

Maybe you should try playing a PS3, watching a blu ray movie before making judgements. I cannot believe (having owning 2 myself) that anyone can put the PS3 down legitimately without finding some positives.

Im not sure if you are talking to me or not but i will assume so. Ceph seems like a good guy to me too and i dont mean my post to be aggressive(or whatever) towards him, purely aimed at the topic at hand. I am also not talking down the PS3 at all. I am talking purely at one of its features. Blu Ray. If you(or anyone else) thinks that Blu Ray is a great feture then more power to you. Personally i dont give a shit about it. If i wanted a BR player i would go buy one.
Also, i dont want to try to play a PS3. It doesnt have a single game to justify the cost to me. I know shit like MG4 is supose to be great but i dont play those kind of games. For other people who like the ps3s library, good for them. It is all good. I dont hate Sony or the PS3, i am just not interested at this point. However, i do love the RE series and RE5 makes it tempting but one game is not going to get me to buy a system. Specially since 4 was such a turn from the series anyway and 5 seems to be following. I will wait for it.
Why in the fuck do you own 2 ps3s?

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:06 pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again that if you look really carefully, you'll see it's Sony's reliance on the multimedia aspects of its machine that have broken its legs.

If you think opening 3 or 4 new avenues of income is breaking Sony's legs, maybe you should check their bank balance in 5 years time. It was in fact Bill Gates dream to have a one box solution, but Sony took the initiative by buying 3 or 4 movie studios, then they helped invent BD rom. By performing these actions, they have put themselves in a position to dominate the whole entertainment industry.

Do Microsoft make movies? No
Do Microsoft make TV's? No
Do Microsoft own any patents on any media? No
Do Microsoft make anything that has a reputation for being the best? Possibly.

I think Sony could argue that not only do they make the things above, but they do them well, if not extremely well (albeit at a price). Sony have also done well to put all the technology into the PS3 as standard. Meaning nobody is left behind.

Have Sony spread themselves out too thinly? It looks that way for now.

Microsoft are cutting the price of Xbox hardware to ridiculously low amounts of cash. Maybe Microsoft are happy that people have bought hardware in the past 2 years want to see their investment worth £50 on trade in. Didn't Toshiba use the very same techniques? (to get rid of inventory) Microsoft can't even protect their devcos investments, piracy is absolutely rampant on the 360. Can they take care of their own investments? Not very well, 1 in 3 machines gets sent back to HQ for a refurb and considering Microsoft are making a big loss on each machine, thats not good business sense.

In fact, everyones arguments backing the 360 are related to Microsofts short sightedness. Get the machine out quicker, cheaper and leave no room for development expansion. I do like the 360's interface, I love the anti-aliasing techniques it can perform, the pad is somewhat better overall and it supports VGA. The game library is very pleasant and i'd say 60% of the time the 360 has the best example of any genre. But, and its a big but, time will change that. The current 360 price is whereabouts the Xbox was when the 360 superseded it. Thats kinda scary. Last time I looked a 20GB HDD for the 360 was £70 in "game". Wow!!

So I think you can see both machines have positives. Does 360 need BD? Probably not. The demographic doesn't need it. Whether or not that would be true if Toshiba made BD is a different story. Affiliations are sometimes blinding people to great products for whatever reason. One thing is for certain, the next move made by either console can change everything. It could be Sony Home, Little big planet.. It could be Gears of War 2. Sometimes things sneak up on you and change things forever, sometimes even surprising me.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:09 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:On the subject of pricing, even if the 360 was £10 in the shops I would still have to justify buying one by what its got on it games wise, and so far that isn't a great deal for me. I don't play FPS so thats that.

Apparently you missed all the talk of Cave ports and shit.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:19 pm

Kiken wrote:
neorichieb1971 wrote:On the subject of pricing, even if the 360 was £10 in the shops I would still have to justify buying one by what its got on it games wise, and so far that isn't a great deal for me. I don't play FPS so thats that.
Apparently you missed all the talk of Cave ports and shit.

Playing a Cave game on my 40" 16:9 TV isn't my cuppa i'm afraid. I would have to put the 360 on an older TV to enjoy it. Or just buy the PCB's, which is my aim overall. Who knows though, once they are out it might change my mind. I'm a bit scared of importing a 360 though. Well tbh, very scared.

Jonathan Ingram · Post by **Jonathan Ingram** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:24 pm

The 32 million Wii owners who don't have Blu Ray, the 21 million Xbox 360 owners who don't have Blu Ray, or the 16 million PS3 owners who do?

Fixed that for you, brother. Being a fanboy that you are, I hope you don`t get a heart attack when the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in worldwide sales. You seem to care an awful lot about that.

As for Blu-ray for the 360... Why would anyone want that? The thing is so shoddily built that it`s best to avoid using it for anything other than games if you want to prolong its life. Heck, my first 360 had died before I could even finish a single game(PGR3 in my case). If I ever get one again, I`d only use it for the few exclusives the system has, and the PS3 for everything else - multiplats, DVDs, Blu-rays etc.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 1:53 pm

jpj wrote:what the fuck is blu-ray?

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:30 pm

can't we drop this bull shit yet.... if you want a 360 get one, same goes for PS3 or Wii. Whatever floats your boat.

stop spamming the forums about what one is better.... although if your a shooter fan wanting new stuff... all you can do is keep your fingures crossed for now on PS3. but you've got metal gear 4 to help out with the wait.

Ex-Cyber · Post by **Ex-Cyber** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:57 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:Do Microsoft own any patents on any media? No

Not physical media, but they developed and have patents covering VC-1, which was a standard HD-DVD codec and is a standard Blu-ray codec. They were also providing software to implement "interactivity" features on HD-DVD (HDi).

Do Microsoft make anything that has a reputation for being the best? Possibly.

I think their input devices qualify. There are arguably better companies out there for specific products, but in terms of overall quality across the product range MS is widely considered to be on top.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:21 pm

for all the gadgets and gizmos and spangley things which make people go oooh and ahhhh everyone is forgetting about the most importing thing about a games console.

That would be the games people.
the 360 has everything I want to play the wii has a couple i want and the ps3 has a few more than the wii but the 360 has tons more.

for me this is the deciding factor of a games console. A blu ray player would be cool but i dont even own a wide screen yet let alone a HD TV so why would I want a really pricey console (be is a very reasonable bluray player)???

When I get my home cinema system I have no doubt in my mind the PS3 will be on the list for the things to get. thats a while off just now so im not buying one. its that simple.

E. Randy Dupre · Post by **E. Randy Dupre** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:48 pm

Strider77 wrote:can't we drop this bull shit yet....

Motorherp · Post by **Motorherp** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 3:49 pm

You have your xbox 360 hooked up to an SD-TV Lordstar? That's like pokeing yourself in both eyes with a Vicks Vapour Rub smeared finger and then going to the Tate. Seriously man, you're missing out.

Lordstar · Post by **Lordstar** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:15 pm

Motorherp wrote:You have your xbox 360 hooked up to an SD-TV Lordstar? That's like pokeing yourself in both eyes with a Vicks Vapour Rub smeared finger and then going to the Tate. Seriously man, you're missing out.

I bought a 360 on release and sold it again for quick buck. Ive not bought one yet as ive not got a TV yet but when i do buy a deicent TV I will be buying the 360 first. I already have games for it in prepration for its arrival (they were cheap before you start ranting about it I also play them at my freinds house)

I was meant to be getting one this christmas (like I said last chriatmas) but something important has come up AGAIN! last year it was financial bullshit and my bonus went down the pan this year its something else. at this rate I will be getting one just in time for the 2012 olympics (not that i give a fuck about that)

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 6:57 pm

Blue+Rayz?! I just upgraded to 5" diskettes!

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:38 pm

Have Sony spread themselves out too thinly? It looks that way for now.

Er, that's kind of what I was getting at.

Being a fanboy that you are, I hope you don`t get a heart attack when the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in worldwide sales.

I hope I don't have one either! Can you imagine that?!

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:47 pm

Skykid wrote:
Being a fanboy that you are, I hope you don`t get a heart attack when the PS3 will eventually pass the 360 in worldwide sales.
I hope I don't have one either! Can you imagine that?!

Now what about if PS3 passes Wii in worldwide sales? I expect spontaneous combustion both from the Sony fanboys (being from excitement that they finally passed their most difficult opponent to date) and the Nintendo fanboys (being from extreme disappointment that someone like Sony would pass up their console in terms of sales).

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:03 am

christ knows why, but i'm gonna make another semi-serious post in a CONSOLE WARZ thread...

while the ps3 came out much later, i would also offer that it too was rushed to market. where sony were promoting "true HD", ie 1080p, there wasn't a single game released in the first six months that ran at a resolution higher than 720p, or any games that were actually even blu-ray discs! coupled with the sixaxis wiimote-copy motion control that was either poorly implemented, or not implemented at all.

but arguing which console is better between 360 and ps3 is like arguing about who came 6th and 7th place in the 100m. they're both so far behind the competition, both in unit sales, and profitabliity, that it's just not even funny. noisy vocal minorities who can't/wont see that each machine has it's own set pros as well as cons.

as far as blu-ray goes, incorporating it into the ps3 was a good strategy. unlike microsoft with HD-DVD, sony actually has a lot of vested interest in blu-ray. whether the ps3 is successful or not is only small fry compared to the bigger picture of getting the masses to upgrade to HDTV's, and make blu-ray the future dominant format. and indeed, as a blu-ray player, it's actually better in some ways than a stand-alone unit because of the upgradeable firmware.

it wouldn't have made sense for microsoft to include a HD-DVD drive by default as they don't have a vested interest, and the added production costs would have been passed on to the consumer. contrary to an earlier comment, a separate drive for blu-ray for the 360 would be *better* than playing regular dvds in your machine, as your console isn't using it's own disc drive, therefore generating less heat.

but blu-ray has a long way to go. one of the many reasons why the souped up HD consoles have yet to reach the sales of the wii (let alone the DS) is because it's main selling points require you to buy a new TV and re-buy a lot of your favourite movies, to get the most from the experience. that's a lot of equipment to upgrade, especially in places like europe where HD television is relatively new and niche, and the uptake of blu-ray has been modest at best. the casino royale bundle was a nice move by sony, and hopefully we'll see more blu-ray movies in future SKUs.

on the one hand, the industry could back blu-ray more as time goes on, citing piracy as a main reason to move away from standard dvd. on the other hand, people vote with their wallets, and the difference between a blu-ray and an upscaled dvd simply isn't good enough to warrant the expenditure. if i was a betting man, i'd go for the latter.

but anyways... 360 not having a blu-ray drive planned is no surprise, and isn't going to be damaging their sales, especially in light of the new price drops.

and remember: the console leading this race at the moment doesn't even support play-back of regular dvds. think of that what you will...

Taylor · Post by **Taylor** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:47 am

I wish we could keep this within one thread, but not only does it seem to need several, it still spills out into innocuous discussion.

trivial · Post by **trivial** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:54 am

neorichieb1971 wrote:Playing a Cave game on my 40" 16:9 TV isn't my cuppa i'm afraid. I would have to put the 360 on an older TV to enjoy it.

Get a matrix switcher for the A/V connector of your choice, and a larger flat. It'll become your bag.

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