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jonny5 wrote:my buddy is on his 3rd ps3.....normal use....not left on for excessive amounts of time...

both times the blueray drive failed and the system was replaced.....

first one lasted about 6 months....second one didnt even last 3 months....

doesnt seem that great to me....
Agreed, it's not that great. Not only because, as Nem pointed out it's got a shit controller (or at least, a boring and outdated controller) and PSN is still poor - but because I'm testament to the failing drives. I've seen it happen very regularly to work colleagues too.
jonny5 wrote:why cant we all agree that next gen is ALL shit....good games or not(debatable)
Very debateable. Lots of new stuff is ass, but games like Call of Duty 4 really deserve everyone's attention. It's awesome.
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Next gen is not all "shit" anymore then old school is all gold. Anyone remember Pac-Man or E.T. on the 2600? Every system or generation has it's shovelware.

As for the 360, the bottom line for me is that it has the biggest game line-up to choose from. Sony has lost me this generation, so far.
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dave4shmups wrote:Next gen is not all "shit" anymore then old school is all gold. Anyone remember Pac-Man or E.T. on the 2600? Every system or generation has it's shovelware.

As for the 360, the bottom line for me is that it has the biggest game line-up to choose from. Sony has lost me this generation, so far.
Agreed on every point bar the Pac Man. Pac Man was great fun even on the 2600 if memory serves.
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I appreciate your efforts here, Ceph. Really, I do. Normally I think you're obnoxious, but I agree with the message you're trying to spread. The only problem is that everybody already knows it and they simply don't care.

This 360 failure rate is nothing new. Microsoft has made a career out of convincing people to buy/use inferior junk. It's always been that way and it makes no sense to me. I continue doing what I've always done: shrug and buy/use something else.
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MR_Soren wrote:I appreciate your efforts here, Ceph. Really, I do. Normally I think you're obnoxious
Lolz for subtlety.
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MR_Soren wrote:This 360 failure rate is nothing new. Microsoft and Apple have made a career out of convincing people to buy/use inferior junk.
Fixed. Not that I want to merit MS, but after seeing how many Ipods my sister in law has gone through, versus zero broken Minidisc players of mine, I wanted to point that out, too.
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Ceph wrote:Why is there no class action suit yet?
There isn't?
Of course, that's just an opinion.
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Because MS finally decided to take action and have been fixing broken Xboxes for free? Not even Nintendo has offered 3 years of warranty against a defect. Granted, Nintendo consoles are built out of SonOfBitchinium, the sturdiest material in the universe.
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Skykid wrote:Agreed on every point bar the Pac Man. Pac Man was great fun even on the 2600 if memory serves.
Pac Man has never been fun IMNSHO... but the 2600 port was notoriously fugly.
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Stormwatch wrote:
Skykid wrote:Agreed on every point bar the Pac Man. Pac Man was great fun even on the 2600 if memory serves.
Pac Man has never been fun IMNSHO... but the 2600 port was notoriously fugly.
Ah it's all nostalgia. I used to sit with my little bro on the 2600 over christmas doing our best with those controllers. It was fun.

But Pac Man is legendary regardless. The game is awesome dude!
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Ceph wrote:How many people had to pay for repairs because their 360s were just outside of warranty?
No one. MS refunded the customers who had previosly paid for non-warranty repairs caused by three flasing red lights that were performed prior to 7/5/2007

This is just more of the typical Ceph drivel. Ban Please
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Super X Gamma wrote:No one. MS refunded the customers who had previosly paid for non-warranty repairs caused by three flasing red lights that were performed prior to 7/5/2007
And yet people outside of warranty with broken consoles due to non-RRoD reasons still get screwed, like I did. My console issues probably aren't rare either, which means that people are forced to RRoD their consoles (and damage them further) just for a free repair, or they don't get the same treatment.
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I brought a 360 pretty much for Ninja Gaiden 2 and it was a bit of a disappointment. I've got other stuff, of course, and I realise I’m something of an anomaly for getting bored of the first/third person shooter genre despite the massive increase in polygons and decrease in saturation.

The only problem I’ve had with my 360 was the d-pad not working right on the giant, Smartie-buttoned weight and I had to take it back. But that was no biggy. It certainly hasn't flashed any number of red quarter circles at me and while it does crash on occasion I've had no disturbing freezes.

The PS3 has also been rather resolute in not-dying though, so I guess this is a tie.
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nem wrote:
Ceph wrote:That is an outrage
Haha, I can picture you just fuming over at your computer.

Honestly, you don't own one, why do you care?
In Ceph's defense, the price war is the cancer killing consumer electronics (and paradoxically what keeps things competitive).

If everybody's supposed to depend on shit that's subsidized every which way and built with the cheapest parts possible (cellphones), well, that's just not a healthy direction for landfills or consumer confidence.

Of course, they talked about this shit in Death of a Salesman, nothing new here. Of course, in the old days you didn't have a library of software (or even your vinyl records) going obsolete when your gramophone died.

Back on topic though, I would be really hesitant to buy any console (with the possible exception of the Wii) due to reliability concerns.

Another vote for "Super X Gamma didn't read the damn article." Microsoft will just loooooove screwing people over with a strictly-adhered-to repairs policy that only repairs the instances where the console is alive enough to tell you something has gone horribly wrong - any unforseen, not-in-the-register-it's-that-bad freakish accident (which again is caused by the console being shit in the first place) is not covered even though it damn well should be.
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Specineff wrote:
MR_Soren wrote:This 360 failure rate is nothing new. Microsoft and Apple have made a career out of convincing people to buy/use inferior junk.
Fixed. Not that I want to merit MS, but after seeing how many Ipods my sister in law has gone through, versus zero broken Minidisc players of mine, I wanted to point that out, too.
I don't know about iPods as I've never owned one, but why assume my post was referencing Apple? It was in a small part, but I was also thinking about Hotmail, Internet Explorer, MSN Search, and... well, just about everything else MS has ever done.

Anyway, the Japanese 360 is very tempting for Death Smiles, Ketsui, Raiden IV, and other shmups, but I'm the kind of guy that goes back and plays his old games quite frequently. I don't want my 360 to die in 2011 after MS has moved onto the next console and be left with a bunch of games I cannot play without taking a gamble on the life expectancy of a used Japanese 360 on eBay. That thought bothers me enough that I'll probably never buy one.

Fortunately for MS, the types of games and gamers that drive the majority of 360 sales don't care about that stuff. They play games the way people watch movies. Play the big new "blockbuster" when it's released, and then move onto the next over-hyped game. The "big" game that "everybody" is playing is all that matters, as if they're trying to stay in fashion by playing all "cool" games. This repeats until the next console is released; at which time they will stop caring about their 360s.
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MR_Soren wrote:
Fortunately for MS, the types of games and gamers that drive the majority of 360 sales don't care about that stuff. They play games the way people watch movies. Play the big new "blockbuster" when it's released, and then move onto the next over-hyped game. The "big" game that "everybody" is playing is all that matters, as if they're trying to stay in fashion by playing all "cool" games. This repeats until the next console is released; at which time they will stop caring about their 360s.

Isn't that the type of Gamer that drives all console manufacturers?

Newer games by their very nature demand innovation in all areas, be it graphics, sound, story or (shock horror!) gameplay.

what people seem to forget is that every old console they play on was new and cutting edge once, and when it was, the apostles of the previous generation came out and poured scorn all over its new fangled features that just weren't needed. I remember reading an article in a gaming magazine when the PS1 came out complaining about the controller being far to complicated, No console game would ever need 8 buttons and a start and select button! Yeah OK!

But any one who is so closed minded to think that the current generation of consoles is any different to previous generations in anything other than available technology is fooling themselves.

Games consoles are games consoles, nothing more nothing less. There will just as many good and crap games on this generation as every other.

If a console doesn't appeal to you, don't buy it

I LOVE my 360, I love Halo 3, I love XBox Live, just as much as I loved my PS1, Megadrive, Amiga and Commodore 64 when they were new.

I couldn't give a toss what anyone else says.



ps. ths ended up being a bit of a rant, it isn't directed at anyone in particular, just the faceless masses that have nothing better to do than bitch about the current gen
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I feel more confident about buying a 360 than I do a PS3. If they both start pusing up dasies I know which one I will be able to get sorted sharpish.
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Super X Gamma wrote:
Ceph wrote:How many people had to pay for repairs because their 360s were just outside of warranty?
No one. MS refunded the customers who had previosly paid for non-warranty repairs caused by three flasing red lights that were performed prior to 7/5/2007

This is just more of the typical Ceph drivel. Ban Please
Were you here in a past life? With 17 posts that's a bit strong. Ceph might come across as 'obnoxious' now and then, but we don't need to call for a ban everytime someone feels strongly about something.

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Specineff wrote:Granted, Nintendo consoles are built out of SonOfBitchinium, the sturdiest material in the universe.
That is the best word I heard all week!
Ceph, keep it up. fuk m$. m$ are crazy!
I hate everything m$ ever did. (Except those commercials with Jerry Seinfeld)
All you poeple who bought xboxxes are the reason that this is such a big issue. Because you bought it, games are still being made. Because games are still being made for it, people buy it. So it serves you right to have your 360 fry on you when DDP comes out. It's not just about this shmups community. It's about all uninformed potential buyers who buy a time bomb.
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MR_Soren wrote:I'm the kind of guy that goes back and plays his old games quite frequently. I don't want my 360 to die in 2011 after MS has moved onto the next console and be left with a bunch of games I cannot play without taking a gamble on the life expectancy of a used Japanese 360 on eBay. That thought bothers me enough that I'll probably never buy one.
This is exactly my sentiment.
Of course, that's just an opinion.
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D wrote:
Specineff wrote:Granted, Nintendo consoles are built out of SonOfBitchinium, the sturdiest material in the universe.
That is the best word I heard all week!
Ceph, keep it up. fuk m$. m$ are crazy!
I hate everything m$ ever did. (Except those commercials with Jerry Seinfeld)
All you poeple who bought xboxxes are the reason that this is such a big issue. Because you bought it, games are still being made. Because games are still being made for it, people buy it. So it serves you right to have your 360 fry on you when DDP comes out. It's not just about this shmups community. It's about all uninformed potential buyers who buy a time bomb.
This is getting really dumb now.
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I believe the term best used to describe that post is "epic lulz".

Also: Nintendo consoles are *normally* built to last, but there have been some issues with Wii GPU failure. There was also that thing of the first batches of UK N64s coming with plugs that could potentially fall apart.
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This is getting really dumb now.
yes... that was pretty dumb.
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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MR_Soren wrote:Normally I think you're obnoxious
I aim to please. :)
MR_Soren wrote:I'm the kind of guy that goes back and plays his old games quite frequently. I don't want my 360 to die in 2011 after MS has moved onto the next console and be left with a bunch of games I cannot play without taking a gamble on the life expectancy of a used Japanese 360 on eBay. That thought bothers me enough that I'll probably never buy one.
My thoughts exactly. I have several 15+ year-old game systems that I am still using to this day.

PS.
The only funny thing about this topic is the amount of people who commented without even reading the articles I linked to.
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Ceph wrote: PS.
The only funny thing about this topic is the amount of people who commented without even reading the articles I linked to.
I read the articles dude, the problem is they're irrelevant because they're not telling anyone anything new. Xbox 360 owners already know where they stand.
If the my machine packs up by 2011 who cares, it'll cost £25 quid by that point to replace it.

The point is twofold Ceph: The 360 community is having plenty of fun, nobody, not even Microsoft, is doing a very good job of ruining it.

And people only get the ass when you bother to find and link three articles to prove otherwise.

A pointless pursuit.

Hopefully that's black and white enough to end this silly debate.
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My thoughts exactly. I have several 15+ year-old game systems that I am still using to this day.
have fun spamming about your 2D forum while us 360 owners are playing all the new shooters and other fun stuff on 360....
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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Strider77 wrote:
My thoughts exactly. I have several 15+ year-old game systems that I am still using to this day.
have fun spamming about your 2D forum while us 360 owners are playing all the new shooters and other fun stuff on 360....
Inbetween trips to the local FedEx shipping outlet :o

Also, the first story linked in the thread was exactly one month old at the time of posting.

I guess it's like people who go "why duz the news report on all these exposes of the Bush Administration we knew it already pff" - no, you didn't know, you just assumed things, many of which were correct in some way but which are less useful than knowing the inside story. Any story like this suggests ways that the person on the street can protect themselves in the future. There's value in looking back at what really happened.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:Also, the first story linked in the thread was exactly one month old at the time of posting.

I guess it's like people who go "why duz the news report on all these exposes of the Bush Administration we knew it already pff" - no, you didn't know, you just assumed things, many of which were correct in some way but which are less useful than knowing the inside story. Any story like this suggests ways that the person on the street can protect themselves in the future. There's value in looking back at what really happened.
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Skykid wrote:Were you here in a past life? With 17 posts that's a bit strong. Ceph might come across as 'obnoxious' now and then, but we don't need to call for a ban everytime someone feels strongly about something.

Remember, hatred and also allegiance to consoles has raged since the beginning - this is nothing new.
Yes, I was.

I really do not feel like digging up all of the obnoxious Ceph posts that make me form my opinion of him. Needless to say this is not coming out due to "360 fanboyism", but as stated earlier, due to more typical Ceph drivel. Yes, I read the articles, having to go so far as to keep the ads from loading because the shitty site puts in code that causes memory leaks. Yet nothing "new" or "insider" was found by me, just old info.

I have had 3 rrod's and you know what? I still enjoy my gaming experience while waiting for my "Naylin Paylin" chance to come.
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