STGT 2008 - Week #4 Voting (Doujin Week)

bsidwell · Post by **bsidwell** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:57 am

Touhou games aren't free and therefore aren't eligible.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 1:49 am

bsidwell wrote:Nearly every single game in MAME isn't free, and therefore isn't legible.

BUT THAT'S HERESY!! WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT OUR MAME?!

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:17 am

lgb wrote:
bsidwell wrote:Nearly every single game in MAME isn't free, and therefore isn't legible.

No kidding. I mean, Soukyugurentai? How the hell are you supposed to even read that kind of nonsense?

spineshark · Post by **spineshark** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:21 am

Yeah, jeez, nobody ever brought up the Commercial Doujin <-> MAME argument.

bsidwell · Post by **bsidwell** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:28 am

lgb wrote:
bsidwell wrote:Nearly every single game in MAME isn't free, and therefore isn't legible.
BUT THAT'S HERESY!! WHAT WILL WE DO WITHOUT OUR MAME?!

They were shot down because people were complaining it would be "too hard" to find doujins and get them working. So blame those people.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:43 am

So that means what exactly?

Sorry about that, I have a tendency to mix two adjacent letters, because I don't WATCH WHERE I'M GOING

bsidwell · Post by **bsidwell** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:46 am

It means we can't have nice things.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:07 am

lgb wrote:Sorry about that, I have a tendency to mix two adjacent letters, because I don't WATCH WHERE I'M GOING

No worries, just giving you a hard time is all

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:13 am

This is like vintage STGT bitching finally, like when Viper Phase won. Seriously, STGT should just be MAME only, and there should be separate doujin and console tourneys. That way people could play what they want and there doesn't need to be any LCD concerns.

btw groobo already broke Xed with mad scoring glitch you are all doomed

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:49 am

Enhasa wrote:Seriously, STGT should just be MAME only, and there should be separate doujin and console tourneys. That way people could play what they want and there doesn't need to be any LCD concerns.

Actually, yes.

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:03 am

I had to download d3dx9_36.dll and now Uwabami Breakers works. (and yes, I already had directx 9.0c installed)

sikraiken · Post by **sikraiken** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:21 am

Icarus wrote: That's always been my main argument against doujins in STGT: accessibility for all players, and in the case of doujins, the lack of. I'm sure DJI and everyone else went through this at the end of STGT '06, during the rules discussion that was ongoing and relating to STGT '07. Where were you when that discussion was going on? :p

To be honest, that's the first time I've read or seen any of that. Where were the people to say this was discussed in the theme/game selection thread?

I should have looked into it a bit more originally... Doujin isn't really the best week to have, no.

Xed is fine, that happens when you get the same score twice.

Sorry about the problem with Uwabami Breakers, ED-057.

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 4:41 am

Enhasa wrote:Seriously, STGT should just be MAME only, and there should be separate doujin and console tourneys.

This gives me an idea. I'll probably try and host my own Cactus Shmups tourney in this thread. To add more players, would it be also okay to add players from outside the Shmups forum?

-Bridget- · Post by **-Bridget-** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:50 am

Uwabami doesnt work for me either.

This seems to be a common factor among many people here......

If this one is chosen, I'll just not bother for this week. It has chaining anyway though, so....... lol.

And Im just not willing to install that funky DLL file. Vista has enough screwball issues as it is, and considering Im running DirectX 10 on here, there really shouldnt be any need for an OLDER file......

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:09 am

macs are still gay

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:21 am

Twiddle wrote:macs are still gay

Crash Different

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 6:29 am

The Coop wrote:
Twiddle wrote:macs are still gay
Crash Different

some 'aroogooy123' YouTube commenter wrote: Macs are not good.

-ENJOY YOUR UN-UPGRADABLE COMPUTER!

-ENJOY SENDING THE WHOLE COMPUTER BACK TO THE COMPANY, IF SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH IT!

-ENJOY YOUR UNCOMPATABLE PROGRAMS!

I guess that explains the 1999 G3 tower that I've upgraded over the years many times by hand and runs 10.4 very quickly. And the iMac I saved from death with a few minutes of tinkering. And all that software I use every day to create music and keep a job that's been running since the day I bought it without a single crash.

OT, I have nothing to contribute. MORE SHMUPS!

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:24 am

kozo wrote:OT, I have nothing to contribute. MORE SHMUPS!

Moar shmupz, less preening over having switched mainboards in an Apple at higher cost than upgrading a Wintel

kozo wrote:And the iMac I saved from death with a few minutes of tinkering.

Typical Mac talk. "I sorted out an extensions conflict! Saved my computer!"

Just takin' the piss though...

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:51 am

Hah! Very funny.

No extension conflicts, I'm talking HARDWHERE. And I didn't pay squddily for my upgrades.

When everybody else was playing PS1 games are 10 FPS, Macs had Virtual Game Station in '98 or '99, running beyond 60 FPS with unlimited memory card storage space. Then Sony sued them to high heaven and the product disappeared shortly after being ported to Windows. (That was my PC Engine Fan X impression, did I do you justice? ^_~)

Doesn't matter, I have a PC too. Not gonna get hurt over Mac-slamming. Hasn't changed for the past 10 years.

SMHUPZ

Danbo · Post by **Danbo** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:05 am

I don't see a problem with playing commercial doujin games under a "don't ask don't tell" policy. If you can find MAME roms, you can find games like that.

Ravid · Post by **Ravid** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:52 am

-Bridget- wrote:Uwabami doesnt work for me either.

This seems to be a common factor among many people here......

If this one is chosen, I'll just not bother for this week. It has chaining anyway though, so....... lol.

And Im just not willing to install that funky DLL file. Vista has enough screwball issues as it is, and considering Im running DirectX 10 on here, there really shouldnt be any need for an OLDER file......

You don't have to 'install' anything. Just put the file in the game folder.

Post by **spadgy** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:56 am

Twiddle wrote:macs are still gay

Mine is really gay and he's got his eye on you Twiddle!

I have to admit I'm done with Macs. They've been my families home computer and then my own computer since about 1989, so I just get them without question, but I'm so tired of what I miss in terms of gaming, and so tired of feeling like a wanker every time I get my laptop out.

My wife works doing TV editing though, so looks like they'll continue to be my home computer + I'm cack handed with PCs

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 9:58 am

Okay, I think this year is complete!

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 10:20 am

Twiddle wrote:sik are still gay

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 2:14 pm

Aru-san wrote:This gives me an idea. I'll probably try and host my own Cactus Shmups tourney in this thread. To add more players, would it be also okay to add players from outside the Shmups forum?

Don't ask me, just go ahead.

Others like Twiddle and Macaw have run their own tourneys here, Sweden and SDA and even non-participate TEAM FEELINGS have run tourneys elsewhere. LGB is planning a caravan tourney. Cactus could work but the problem with making it more specialized is that you'll have more trouble attracting participants, but if you're bringing in people from elsewhere, I guess you have that covered. BTW the idea is that STGT is supposedly a non-excluding tourney, but if you had an entire tourney where you would be expected to pirate doujin games or own potentially newer console games or have a fast enough computer to run zn1/2 or st-v games, everyone signing up would be cool with it.

ED-057 wrote:(and yes, I already had directx 9.0c installed)

They release a new directx 9.0c every couple months but still call it that. Yeah, it's retarded.

-Bridget- wrote:And Im just not willing to install that funky DLL file. Vista has enough screwball issues as it is, and considering Im running DirectX 10 on here, there really shouldnt be any need for an OLDER file......

Like Ravid says, just put it in the same folder. BTW directx 10 isn't backwards compatible and is something different completely (just pretend it's named something else if you want). Vista actually ships with some old directx 9 files for compatibility, so there's nothing to be concerned about mixing 9 and 10.

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:44 pm

sikraiken wrote:Every Extend is not a shooter. BWR is good, cave like. Patriot Dark is alright, cave like. CRS68k is pretty long. Please name other good freeware doujin shooters that aren't demos. Some do exist... Also, where were you guys when we had our discussion thread for game/theme selection? Some of you were there, but others...?

I guess I was just expecting to see something like this:

1.) An X.X game (probably BWR or BWR+, maybe Eden's Edge).
2.) CRS68k
3.) A Kenta Cho game

I don't think there would be in obvious winner if you put all those against each other.

I didn't really say anything before because I'm only really familiar with the well-known free doujins. BWR and CRS didn't make the cut, others already mentioned the good Kento Cho games, Nomltest actually made it in... I wouldn't have had anything else to add. Warning Forever and Radio Zonde seem popular, but I've hardly played them, nor do I know if they were discussed at all.

Plus, I had my doubts that doujin week would even really happen because of issues that had been raised in previous years (Mac users left out, some Windows users getting garbled Unicode errors or games simply not working).

Like I said before, I don't think any of these 3 are bad, they were just surprising choices.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:11 pm

Enhasa wrote:Seriously, STGT should just be MAME only, and there should be separate doujin and console tourneys. That way people could play what they want and there doesn't need to be any LCD concerns.

Yes.

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:45 pm

Not vital, but the music in XED isn't working for me.

Aru-san · Post by **Aru-san** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:34 pm

kozo wrote:Not vital, but the music in XED isn't working for me.

Same here, but all the better for me to listen to my own music in the background while playing the game anyway.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 8:41 pm

lgb wrote:
Enhasa wrote:Seriously, STGT should just be MAME only, and there should be separate doujin and console tourneys. That way people could play what they want and there doesn't need to be any LCD concerns.
No.

lgb wrote:
Enhasa wrote:Seriously, STGT should just be MAME only, and there should be separate doujin and console tourneys. That way people could play what they want and there doesn't need to be any LCD concerns.
Yes.