Anyone elses Xbox freezing?

kozo · Post by **kozo** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:11 pm

Good arguments all around. The 360 is one of those things I plan to pick up someday, when they're cheap, ala Dreamcast. There are enough Xbawkz 1 games that are worth it to me as well (Jet Set Radio Future gooo!) that it would be a worthwhile purchase. I also don't really play online, partially because of a poor connection IMHO. But I keep holding out in hopes for maybe a smaller or more stable re-design.

For the record, I don't have a PS3 either...and I own more games for PC-88 than any other system. I am a 40 year old Japanese man in the body of a twenty something year old.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:23 pm

you know why do some of you guys act like the 360 is the only console on the face of the planet that is notorious for hardware issues.

the PS3 seems very solid and I believe it is. put the PS1 and 2 were total crap also..... I can not tell you how many times I've had to replace drives in my PS2 and in friends. I worked in a few game stores also and we even had a scew for taking busted PS2 b/c it was so common. let alone the HUGE stack of faulty drive systems sitting in the backroom from trade ins.

the only reason folks bitch THIS much about the 360 and not the older sony systems is b/c the 360 is american so it must be stupid.... only japan could ever do anything right.

don't get me wrong... I'm pro japan all the way when it comes to game design ect but not to a blinding point.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:27 pm

Strider77 wrote:you know why do some of you guys act like the 360 is the only console on the face of the planet that is notorious for hardware issues.

the PS3 seems very solid and I believe it is. put the PS1 and 2 were total crap also..... I can not tell you how many times I've had to replace drives in my PS2 and in friends. I worked in a few game stores also and we even had a scew for taking busted PS2 b/c it was so common. let alone the HUGE stack of faulty drive systems sitting in the backroom from trade ins.

the only reason folks bitch THIS much about the 360 and not the older sony systems is b/c the 360 is american so it must be stupid.... only japan could ever do anything right.

don't get me wrong... I'm pro japan all the way when it comes to game design ect but not to a blinding point.

That's bull. The reason why no-one is bitching about PS2 is because if for instance the laser wears out, you can get a new one for ~30 USD and replace it yourself. If your 360 dies (has there ever been a hardware as prone to failure before?), you get the short end of the stick. You have to get it fixed by Microsoft, which they won't do if your Xbox 360 is from Japan and you are in Europe.

nem · Post by **nem** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:09 pm

Ceph wrote:That's bull. The reason why no-one is bitching about PS2 is because if for instance the laser wears out, you can get a new one for ~30 USD and replace it yourself.

If your Xbox red rings, you can fix it yourself. 9 out of ten is a pretty good percentage for success.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 10:10 pm

That doesn't really inspire confidence.

Neither does this "hot air gun fix": http://www.360mods.net/News/article/sid=72.html

Just have a look at all the possible errors:
http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/Xb ... -codes.htm

What a well-built system.

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:07 am

the heat gun fix is kinda dumb. you can do the same thing by pulling the fan out and letting the console run for 2 minutes. that thing gets real hot real fast.

and as far as service repairs on foreign consoles, the two biggest problems (drive failure, RROD) can be fixed by the end-user. that doesn't make it excusable for MS to produce problematic hardware, but the fact that there can potentially be problems shouldn't deter people from enjoying some really great games. my 360 red-ringed. i fixed it myself. it's worked fine ever since. life goes on.

and iirc didn't someone say that microsoft usa would repair consoles regardless of region? that's odd that microsoft eu would be any different.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:30 am

Ceph wrote:
Skykid wrote:The machine, is good.
Are you living is some sort of alternate reality?

No, don't take everything in terms of reported technical problems. Games library, XBLA, third-party support, exclusive games: good machine.

When my PS3 went up the shitter after two weeks and stopped reading discs, I went googling and found that this seemed to be pretty common and Sony were doing a grand job of brushing it under the carpet. I found three other guys at work who had the exact same thing happen - which was surprising.
The thing is, unlike Sony, MS support were always incredibly helpful. The machine I had then was probably well out of warranty (picked it up from someone else) but they didn't even bat an eyelid to replace it. As far as I know, they don't really refuse people free fixes.

The most important mis-understanding Ceph is that you keep banging on about having a Japanese machine. Not all games are region free, which means for the sake of the upcoming Cave ports, you'd be cutting yourself out of the bigger picture if you did purchase one, as well as having ambiguity over whether or not MS would do a replacement.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:55 am

That's bull. The reason why no-one is bitching about PS2 is because if for instance the laser wears out, you can get a new one for ~30 USD and replace it yourself. If your 360 dies (has there ever been a hardware as prone to failure before?), you get the short end of the stick. You have to get it fixed by Microsoft, which they won't do if your Xbox 360 is from Japan and you are in Europe.

I guess your right, as long as it's cheap to fix it yourself it's ok to make it bust. wait.... 360 repairs are free.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:39 am

Strider77 wrote: I guess your right, as long as it's cheap to fix it yourself it's ok to make it bust. wait.... 360 repairs are free.

MS enforced some kind of no questions asked fix policy a while back when there was just too much heat over the RROD. I believe its still in effect - a mate sent his back last month and just gave his serial number and they replaced within 5 days. He's had it nearly 3 years now, so not bad.

LaserGun · Post by **LaserGun** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:48 am

This RRoD thing has been going on too long now, everyone I know IRL has had their 360 die on them, I've heard horror stories too about people having a refurbished 360 sent back to them but it was broken so they had to actually pay for it to be repaired.
The whole RRoD debacle is the reason why I don't own a 360 right now, I'm not prepared to buy something that's guaranteed to break in 2 - 4 years just to play a small handful of titles, and like someone said before Microsoft will probably drop 360 support as soon as they release their next console, which would mean no repairs or severely inflated prices for repair.

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 2:45 pm

Some numbers for you guys. This is amongst a group of friends and I at work:

# original store bought xboxes: 16
# failures of original store bought: 10

# replacements: 10
# replacements that have failed: 5

# replacement replacements: 5
# replacement replacement failures: 1

So 10 out of 16 originals failed. 5 of the 10 replacements, failed. And further, 1 of those has since failed.

My neighbor, not included in these numbers is on his 3rd. And he has a few friends who are on their 8th and 9th.

I was joking around with a friend, but if you are a fairly regular player, it seems that the 360 is good for about 10000 xbox points before it craps out. Sorta like a mileage thing.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:22 pm

LaserGun wrote: I'm not prepared to buy something that's guaranteed to break in 2 - 4 years just to play all the best titles currently on release.

Fixed.

Diabollokus · Post by **Diabollokus** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 12:26 pm

Weird, I played a DVD in it the other night and it works normally, I think I've undergone a prelude of temporary failure prior to a relapse in the near future. I actually like the console alot, games library has enough to keep me happy with the purchase, but unexplained problems piss me off.

I'm pretty sure something regarding live messed it up, the halo 3 server got really fukked up by the maintenance and the live team did release a couple of patches to fix sever issues. People were affected in various ways + others reported freezing in the halo forums, but strangly every game I played was affected.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun Oct 05, 2008 3:09 pm

Diabollokus wrote:Weird, I played a DVD in it the other night and it works normally, I think I've undergone a prelude of temporary failure prior to a relapse in the near future. I actually like the console alot, games library has enough to keep me happy with the purchase, but unexplained problems piss me off.

I'm pretty sure something regarding live messed it up, the halo 3 server got really fukked up by the maintenance and the live team did release a couple of patches to fix sever issues. People were affected in various ways + others reported freezing in the halo forums, but strangly every game I played was affected.

Was the Xbox freezing as soon as it connected to Live?
If so, I found a fix for this, as it happened to me. I think the PES download (or possibly something else) was made corrupt after the update. You just need to unplug the net connection and go to system/downloads and cancel anything with an exclamation mark in a yellow triangle next to it (and of course cancel the active download too) and that'll bring it back up to speed.

It does sound as though you have it working fine though so that's probably not too important.

bitkid · Post by **bitkid** » Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:02 pm

Try putting it in the oven to thaw it out.