Man ESP RA DE is awesome!

espibara · Post by **espibara** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:02 am

I'm new to the MAME scene and have only recently sampled ESP RA DE and I think its awesome.

I'm a big espgaluda fan on the PS2 but i think ESP RA DE is better.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:13 am

My favourite cave game so far as well. Mind you it is the first Cave game I ever played. I believe its the lack of game mechanics which gives it a slightly more "raw" appeal than most other Cave shooters.

subcons · Post by **subcons** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:32 pm

neorichieb1971 wrote:My favourite cave game so far as well. Mind you it is the first Cave game I ever played. I believe its the lack of game mechanics which gives it a slightly more "raw" appeal than most other Cave shooters.

Are you referring to a scoring mechanic? Because it has one just as deep as any other Cave game, it's just kind of hard to grasp without someone explaining it: RQ: ESPRade scoring

But really, you can play any shooter "raw" and just completely ignore the scoring. I tend to do so past the first two or three stages in most manics because I suck and lack discipline.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:49 pm

espibara - I guess you need to play Ketsui...

espibara · Post by **espibara** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:56 pm

DEL wrote:espibara - I guess you need to play Ketsui...

Wish i could

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:02 pm

subcons wrote:Are you referring to a scoring mechanic? Because it has one just as deep as any other Cave game

That's kind of wrong.

ESPRa.De. requires little to no memorization of scoring routes (since they're pretty flexible and intuitive as a whole), has lowest price of mistakes, absolutely linear scoring with no exponents that skyrocket in the last stage or two, and considerably smooth difficulty curve without resorting to looping.

In other words, no, it's not as deep as any other Cave game, by far.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:29 pm

It´s one of those Cave shmups I´d NEVER play for score - mainly because if you are really serious about your score you have to resort to boring boss milking that takes forever.

Also, every time I come back to DDP after playing ESPRaDe I´m surprised on how much more polished DDP feels. Maybe it´s because in DDP the bullets are bigger and easier to see, maybe because I actually know where my hitbox is at all times, maybe because the bullet patterns seem much tighter...

I also agree with this:

GaijinPunch in the RQ wrote: Another note... the controls feel a bit 'messy' to me. I'm trying to dodge bullets and I wind up running into them. .

And if it sounds like I hate this game, I don´t; I´d much rather play this one than Progear or Guwange, mainly because I like the theme better.

I also love how fast Yusuke (first character) moves, it give the game a much different feel than DDP.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:27 pm

I wish the hitbox was in a different spot, because I've never really been able to "just know" where it is in the more hectic spots of the game.

Other than that, fantastic.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:40 pm

The hitbox and sloppy-feeling movement are the only things I don't like about Ra.De., otherwise it's great. Galuda fixes these problems as well as adding (imo) better boss patterns and a scoring system that's more fun, so I like it more. I think Ra.De was like the third Cave shmup I ever played though and it's definitely great.

dmauro · Post by **dmauro** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:20 pm

ESPRaDe is the reason it took me forever to discover that ESPGaluda is awesome.

jaycm1 · Post by **jaycm1** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:30 pm

i have the pcb of esprade i love it as well i thinks it's better than both espgaudas

dpful · Post by **dpful** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:45 pm

My only gripe is that I peak out a little ways into the game, so the first bit feels boring if I'm doing good, and frustrating if I do bad. I feel the same way about Giga WIng. I don't like the feeling that I could make it all the way to the end of the game, but I won't know for another 20 minutes, and I can't space off until then. Galuda is also a bit like that. I like games that happen just a bit faster.
Also, The shield recharge element has been hard for me to connect with. Do I have to memorise just the right spots to use it? It's like a long term investment in the middle of the action.
DDPDOJ feels like every moment matters a lot.

Marshall banana · Post by **Marshall banana** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 5:52 pm

Since I played ESPGALUDA, I have no desire to play ESPRADE again. It only frustrates me now.

Irori is really cute, though!

clp · Post by **clp** » Thu Sep 11, 2008 6:53 pm

i love esprade although and im not sure if its mame but i to have problems navigating through bullets the control seems a bit edgy that said espgaluda im not so keen on i think the arrange mode should have been the arcade mode tbh , the theme of galuda with the most rediculously contrasting music ever just doesnt work for me , if only they would make a true sequel to esprade i for one would love to see a return to that crazy tokyo setting .

poodude · Post by **poodude** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 1:47 am

It is a nice game, you should try the select few other cave games MAME has to offer.

If only they'd dump more recent Cave games... *sigh*

espibara · Post by **espibara** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:16 am

clp wrote:i love esprade although and im not sure if its mame but i to have problems navigating through bullets the control seems a bit edgy that said espgaluda im not so keen on i think the arrange mode should have been the arcade mode tbh , the theme of galuda with the most rediculously contrasting music ever just doesnt work for me , if only they would make a true sequel to esprade i for one would love to see a return to that crazy tokyo setting .

Man ESPgaluda's music is all kinds of awesome. But If I had to choose which game I prefrered I'd go with ESPrade.

clp · Post by **clp** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 11:49 am

no it really isnt its dodgy trance at best its not even good trance .

Momijitsuki · Post by **Momijitsuki** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 12:23 pm

ESP Ra. De. is a very nice game, but I still prefer DoDonPachi and Mushihimesama to it. I plan on getting ESPgaluda soon, so we'll see how that turns out. :p

evil_ash_xero · Post by **evil_ash_xero** » Fri Sep 12, 2008 10:38 pm

Ra.De. is my favorite Cave game.

I love the design and the music. And I really like the secondary weapons you can use. You can just sorta sling that flame shot about. It's really cool.

s/m

jonny5 · Post by **jonny5** » Sat Sep 13, 2008 3:33 pm

jaycm1 wrote:i have the pcb of esprade i love it as well i thinks it's better than both espgaudas

QFT

the only way espgaluda compares to esprade is arrange more....which kinda mixes the 2 scoring systems together....and art style obviously