Review praising Ikaruga, slamming Cave, not Ibara...

hermosaguy · Post by **hermosaguy** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:02 am

http://www.actionbutton.net/?p=402

Interesting article. Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but here is a little gem...

'The current pioneers are Cave, whose games are less about shooting than moving as little as possible while avoiding bullets. There’s hardly a shooting game alive these days where the player is ever tempted to not hold down the fire button at all times. In other words, you never pick your shots. There’s never an incentive not to shoot.'

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:35 am

Read the comments.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:39 am

Forget the bit about Cave, how about the line before: The “genre” of 2D top-down shooter, to be bottom-line honest, isn’t interesting at all.

Bottom line: Ikaruga is “the alpha and the omega of 2D shooting”.

So then Ikaruga is...

SockPuppetHyren · Post by **SockPuppetHyren** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:42 am

Well, that was the most pretentious and butt kissing review I have ever read for a game. It almost, but not quite, made me like Ikaruga less after reading it. I gawked at how much of the game, and how much of CAVE games, he DIDN'T talk because he was to busy hailing Treasure as gods of gaming. I like Treasure as much as the next guy, but shit...this is just bad.

bsidwell · Post by **bsidwell** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:44 am

SockPuppetHyren wrote:Well, that was the most pretentious, butt kissing, and flat out elitist review I have ever read for a game.

In other words: New Gaming Journalism.
You can safely ignore it.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:47 am

lgb wrote:Read the comments.

icy saved the day.

innerpattern · Post by **innerpattern** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:54 am

praise Ikaruga and slam Cave and basically the entire genre in the same "review" and you are now a gaming journalism GOD!

This guy is hardcore! Watch-the-fuck-out!

adversity1 · Post by **adversity1** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:00 am

What an imbecile.

As if you don't pick shots in DDP and Ketsui. And others too.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:15 am

Rob wrote:
lgb wrote:Read the comments.
icy saved the day.

omg icy lives?!

PepsimanVsJoe · Post by **PepsimanVsJoe** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:15 am

Hey it's Tim Rogers!

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 5:16 am

Guys, it's Tim Rogers. Relax. You're not supposed to take it seriously.

Warp_Rattler · Post by **Warp_Rattler** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:12 am

The danger of Tim Rogers' writing is that plenty of people DO take it seriously, and he is somehow revered for it.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:24 am

icycalm wrote:How much more fucking pathetic can you possible get?

I agree with Rob though, Icy indeed saved the day

Not to mention that — graphics, music, story, etc. aside — at the end of the day the only difference between all those thousands of shmups (or fighting games, RTSes, 4X games, etc) are the differences in their systems. Ignoring those differences is essentially the same as ignoring the games.

True

There’s nothing like a well-written, insightful review of a masterpiece written by a master. That’s why my Ketsui, Galuda II, Pink Sweets reviews and others are revered in the STG community.

I guess I need to get readin' then

What good would it possible do me to start reviewing them based off youtube videos and wikipedia articles?

Icy has a problem with the word "possibly." I don't know why, he just does.

bitkid · Post by **bitkid** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:37 am

Everybody is always wrong according to Icycalm.

BIL · Post by **BIL** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:45 am

That review bordered on incoherent. It's amazing in its own flowery way.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:28 am

Bill wrote:That review bordered on incoherent. It's amazing in its own flowery way.

Icy and this guy were obviously made for each other.

DEL · Post by **DEL** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:04 am

Flowery as hell. Write a thousand words and let your reader's try to pick out some logical reasoning in amongst the flowers.

Ikaruga is a mainstream release that got a lot of new people interested in the genre.

Ikaruga is a puzzle game, not a shooter.

If you like Ikaruga and want to praise it - that's fine. But don't confuse it with a shoot'em up

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JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:13 am

Tim Rogers doesn't like Ikaruga, doesn't understand it, can't play it, etc., but Hiroshi Iuchi and FROTHING DEMAND weren't going to namecheck themselves. Can't check any other names you'd need some expertise for that.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:55 pm

Let’s speak his name. His name is Hiroshi Iuchi. Hiroshi Iuchi. Hiroshi Iuchi.

Let´s not and say we did.

Tim Rogers is the master of talking about shit that hasn´t anything to do with anything. People who keep describing things with a lot of words usually try to cover the fact that they can´t think in straight, clear terms. I used to like certain reviews from him but nowadays I can´t be arsed to waste my time with self-indulgent drivel like that.

hermosaguy wrote: In other words, you never pick your shots. There’s never an incentive not to shoot.'

Waaah waaah, you nefffer get tuh pwick your shothfth. I´m glad Icycalm came by to rub this guy´s own shit in his face a little. Even though it probably won´t make a difference

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:13 pm

What a fucking moron.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:16 pm

Just check out the breeding ground called Select Button forums, take a look at what the first sticky topic is, see how many pages it has and you´ll know all you need to know about what kind of people are writing and reading this stuff.

http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewforum.php?f=2

benstylus · Post by **benstylus** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:20 pm

golly, what a
horribly ugly
site that is. The
color scheme
(or lack thereof)
is one thing, but
one thing I've
never EVER
understood
(and probably)
never will) is
why they make
the text take
up only a very
small portion
of the available
screen space,
leaving HUGE
black bars on
either side
(which are
larger than the
space taken
up by actual
text).

Dear website
designers, the
nineties are
over. This
means two
things: One,
that there is
no more time
for Klax, and
two, people
have screen
resolutions
higher than
640x480.

Additionally,
it is not hard
to make tables
that adjust
automatically
proportionate
to the screen
width. I'm
done reading
silly blogs that
can't even
comprehend
that simple
concept.

D · Post by D » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:04 pm

Klax

Sounds like some anti-political group. We from Klax......
Saw an original cab for sale the other day, I passed, the game is actually just like puyo puyo, isn't it?

well, sort of. Never really liked the game. you see the tiles wobbling over to you, but those animations don't contribute/do anything for the game.

gennss · Post by **gennss** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:24 pm

... i didn't like the review i found it pompous and inaccurate.

MR_Soren · Post by **MR_Soren** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:25 pm

There will always be somebody writing something ignorant on the internet.

Ozymandiaz1260 · Post by **Ozymandiaz1260** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:44 pm

FrederikJurk wrote:Just check out the breeding ground called Select Button forums, take a look at what the first sticky topic is, see how many pages it has and you´ll know all you need to know about what kind of people are writing and reading this stuff.

http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewforum.php?f=2

I've never seen so many scene kids congregate in one place in my entire life

Observer · Post by **Observer** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 3:55 pm

MR_Soren wrote:"There will always be somebody writing something ignorant on the internet."

Quote of the day (or the week if you prefer). While you can ignore the chaining and play through the game... do people forget that if you play the game for the 1cc in anything other than Easy you pretty much HAVE to chain and rack up a lot of points to reach that much needed, glorious and precious word?:

EXTEND

It's not an easy task to reach the end in Normal (hell if I've been trying!) so I know if I don't score big and earn those extends I'm not gonna make it to the Ubusunagami Oukinoukai.

(All of the above with the default settings of lives and credits of course.)

It's like ignoring chaining in DoDonPachi. You can try to play the game without the anal chaining and the 2x for keeping all the bombs but survival is also tied to scoring well... and you are really gonna need those lives and the bombs that come with them if you are attempting a 1cc for the first time.

Let's not even mention the requirements for Hibachi, the quintessence of a TLB.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:07 pm

Ozymandiaz1260 wrote:
FrederikJurk wrote:Just check out the breeding ground called Select Button forums, take a look at what the first sticky topic is, see how many pages it has and you´ll know all you need to know about what kind of people are writing and reading this stuff.

http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewforum.php?f=2
I've never seen so many scene kids congregate in one place in my entire life

I saw this in "site-related news":

"Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:15 pm Post subject: Reply with quote

current banlist:

icycalm forever.

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Matsunaga · Post by **Matsunaga** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:19 pm

Reading any review of a shooter is a waste of time. These forums are all you need to make an informed decision on what to buy.

captpain · Post by **captpain** » Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:21 pm

Mmm gotta love all those people sitting there playing games all day who don't actually pick challenging games, or try to actually develop any skill, but rather pick those with twee graphics.