Ketsui for DS?!

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GAHDAMMIT TOUHOU FANS

Wrong.

[Kiken]

NCSX just opened up pre-orders as well for $54 US (and yes, they talk about how it inludes the Super Play DVD).

[MrMonkeyMan]

NCSX just opened up pre-orders as well for $54 US (and yes, they talk about how it inludes the Super Play DVD).

They also mention that the player does not lose a single life. But they might just see that it's a master play and assume that is the case. They probably don't even realize the DVD is for the arcade version of the game.

[MX7]

How come there's no mention of the DVD on the Yes-Asia and Play-Asia pre-order pages?

A lot of people had me believe that I wouldn't get the promotional Guwange fan with the Guwange/ESPrade OST from Play Asia, but they sent it. I have faith in them

[Kiken]

NCSX just opened up pre-orders as well for $54 US (and yes, they talk about how it inludes the Super Play DVD).

They also mention that the player does not lose a single life. But they might just see that it's a master play and assume that is the case. They probably don't even realize the DVD is for the arcade version of the game.

They've made mistakes on their little speils about the content of Super Play DVDs before. The main point is that they state that it is included with the purchase of the game.

[ReKleSS]

Official site is open. Actually it's been open since May, but I only just caught it on newStage.

[Skykid]

This is probably going to blow goats.

[sfried]

This is probably going to blow goats.

Is it because its still Boss Fights only?

[MX7]

As long as the scoring system is deep enough, I see no reason to worry.

[Jockel]

It will beat any other shmup that's already available on the DS for sure.
Unfortunately that's not saying much.

[Skykid]

This is probably going to blow goats.

Is it because its still Boss Fights only?

Cos the screen size is not conducive to properly playing shmups.

[MR_Soren]

This is probably going to blow goats.

Is it because its still Boss Fights only?

Cos the screen size is not conducive to properly playing shmups.

I would assume that everybody who's looking forward to the game disagrees with you.

[Skykid]

Is it because its still Boss Fights only?

Cos the screen size is not conducive to properly playing shmups.

I would assume that everybody who's looking forward to the game disagrees with you.

That's not a problem, they're entitled to disagree with me.

But unless the designers tinker with the original design, I can't see it being a fair play. After playing progear and others on my PSP, I've concluded that it's just too small to properly learn the game - at least not without unnecessary frustrations. The DS screen is roughly half the size.

But I want it to be as good as the rest of you do, I'm just trying to be realistic.

[MR_Soren]

Cos the screen size is not conducive to properly playing shmups.

I would assume that everybody who's looking forward to the game disagrees with you.

That's not a problem, they're entitled to disagree with me.

But unless the designers tinker with the original design, I can't see it being a fair play. After playing progear and others on my PSP, I've concluded that it's just too small to properly learn the game - at least not without unnecessary frustrations. The DS screen is roughly half the size.

But I want it to be as good as the rest of you do, I'm just trying to be realistic.

Ketsui Death Label was completely re-worked for the DS. It is not a port of Arcade Ketsui, it is a new DS game that happens to be called Ketsui and shares some similarities with an arcade game by the same name. The point of doing this was to ensure that it doesn't suck. Arika's usually pretty good at accomplishing what they set out to do, so I think they can make something fun.

[Skykid]

I would assume that everybody who's looking forward to the game disagrees with you.

That's not a problem, they're entitled to disagree with me.

But unless the designers tinker with the original design, I can't see it being a fair play. After playing progear and others on my PSP, I've concluded that it's just too small to properly learn the game - at least not without unnecessary frustrations. The DS screen is roughly half the size.

But I want it to be as good as the rest of you do, I'm just trying to be realistic.

Ketsui Death Label was completely re-worked for the DS. It is not a port of Arcade Ketsui, it is a new DS game that happens to be called Ketsui and shares some similarities with an arcade game by the same name. The point of doing this was to ensure that it doesn't suck. Arika's usually pretty good at accomplishing what they set out to do, so I think they can make something fun.

Ah, admittedly I watched this thread at the beginning, but missed that info on the way. I knew it was death label, but assumed it was a direct port.

In that case there's hope! As long as there's nothing too complex for the screen size, it could work. Fingers crossed.

[MX7]

The main changes that I recall is the bullet patterns have been slowed down to facilitate the smaller screen size, and, most importantly, have been modified in order that the DS's crappiness at performing diagonals does not become a problem

[Skykid]

The main changes that I recall is the bullet patterns have been slowed down to facilitate the smaller screen size, and, most importantly, have been modified in order that the DS's crappiness at performing diagonals does not become a problem

Great, sounding better all the time. Arika may be able to actually make the DS's first ever proper danmaku.

What's the release date guys?

[Frederik]

Progear has pretty small bullet sprites and an overall weird graphical feeling to it to begin with (IMHO), so I can see that playing that on the PSP can be painful. Everything in Ketsui DL looks clearly visible thanks to the "chunky" bullets, so visibility won´t be a big issue the way I see it (at least if you´re used to the DSes screen).

For those who STILL haven´t seen it yet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBmdhTjEYBs

Keeping the obvious limitations in mind, I still think it looks awesome for what it is. And it´s not like Arika is just any developer. I´m sure Mihara will do an excellent job. And three dificulty modes adds to the package. And I don´t really mind it just being a boss rush, seeing that the Ketsui bosses are some of the most thrilling ones in the whole history of shmups.

What's the release date guys?

October 23 is the estimated shipping date on play-asia.

[jpj]

the DS d-pad is gonna take some getting used to

regarding the difficulty, the producer mihara has said that there will be quite a few different difficulty settings to choose from. the easiest of which will mean that (and i quote) even a woman can play it

[8 1/2]

The D-pad is indeed crap on the Lite, but I eventually got used to it with Contra 4. The trick to get accuracy is to just grind the fucker into the face of the console, but I always feel like I'm going to break it. But fuck it, preordered already on this one. Who can pass up a portable Cave game? Even it's just a boss rush mode, it's still leagues better than Nanostray.

[Zebra Airforce]

regarding the difficulty, the producer mihara has said that there will be quite a few different difficulty settings to choose from. the easiest of which will mean that (and i quote) even a woman can play it

A rather foolish thing to say, considering Dame K.K. is one of the more insanely talented players around.

[Frederik]

The D-pad is indeed crap on the Lite, but I eventually got used to it with Contra 4. The trick to get accuracy is to just grind the fucker into the face of the console, but I always feel like I'm going to break it.

I had the exact same feeling on my old DSlite, then sold it and got a new one. It´s world better. Still far from perfect, but at least it does diagonals without only working 20% of the time. Maybe it´s a problem of the older models (I got my first one on day the release day).

[8 1/2]

The D-pad is indeed crap on the Lite, but I eventually got used to it with Contra 4. The trick to get accuracy is to just grind the fucker into the face of the console, but I always feel like I'm going to break it.

I had the exact same feeling on my old DSlite, then sold it and got a new one. It´s world better. Still far from perfect, but at least it does diagonals without only working 20% of the time. Maybe it´s a problem of the older models (I got my first one on day the release day).

I have a pretty new one, only got it about four months ago (crimson and black one). I just had a hell of a time jumping and shooting diagonally in Contra 4 for the longest time, then got over my new system jitters and just starting grinding on it. I'm more a "hover and tap" player than a "thumb always on the pad" player if that makes any sense. It's a lot like the adjustment that I had to make with the Ascii FT pad for the DC with its craptactular D-pad.

[Necronopticous]

A rather foolish thing to say, considering Dame K.K. is one of the more insanely talented players around.

I'm pretty sure Dame K.K. is a guy.

Gotta love Mihara's choice of words, though. Thumbs up.

[Zebra Airforce]

Oh, yeah? In that case that's a pretty hilarious name.

[Herr Schatten]

The D-pad is indeed crap on the Lite, but I eventually got used to it with Contra 4. The trick to get accuracy is to just grind the fucker into the face of the console, but I always feel like I'm going to break it.

I had the exact same feeling on my old DSlite, then sold it and got a new one. It´s world better. Still far from perfect, but at least it does diagonals without only working 20% of the time. Maybe it´s a problem of the older models (I got my first one on day the release day).

Unfortunately, the crappy d-pads don't seem to be related to older or newer DSs. Whether you get a good one is down to pure luck.

I'm on my third Lite now and the d-pads were:
1) excellent
2) unusable
3) somewhat okay-ish, but not as good as on my first one

Either something is fucked up in the manufacturing process itself, so it produces those vast differences, or they've got multiple manufacturing facilities some of which are unable to build decent d-pads.

[Jockel]

Well are you sure you got a new model, or just have bought an old model that was sitting long in the store shelves?
I took a silver DSLite to make sure I'd get a "better" dpad. And it worked.

[moozooh]

Oh, yeah? In that case that's a pretty hilarious name.

He also uses 木村圭 (Kimura Kei, or something like that) for other places. Also, he likes playing Perfect Cherry Blossom as Reimu-B.

[Herr Schatten]

Well are you sure you got a new model, or just have bought an old model that was sitting long in the store shelves?

I'm quite sure about it.

Also, my launch day DS Lite was the one with the best d-pad so far. If newer=better then it should have been the worst, no?

[Frederik]

Either something is fucked up in the manufacturing process itself, so it produces those vast differences, or they've got multiple manufacturing facilities some of which are unable to build decent d-pads.

That must be it then. What about the serial number? Mine is UEM 11100966. Maybe the letter indicate the factory? Stuff like this is really bothering me. Knowing that there are DSLites out there that have "excellent" d-pad (and I trust your judgement, the one I have is okay but far from excellent) really bugs me in regards of this game.

I also wonder if those different manufacturing models have other issues, like the likeliness of the screen hinges to break. I remember reading about DS Lites having different types of touch screen surfaces, so these differences exist for a fact.