What the cock is going on with STGT08?

mikwuyma · Post by **mikwuyma** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:25 am

freddie: Fair enough about esp.rade and progear. I don't really mind mahou's randomness since it's randomness that plays on telegraphed preset patterns, it's just annoying against the fourth boss, who can make your score vary up to 200k each loop

. But you have to admit the scoring system is very simple, and it wouldn't take a long time to get into the game.

Gaijinpunch: Why so serious?

Rob: You wouldn't play anyways

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:14 am

mikwuyma wrote: Gaijinpunch: Why so serious?

B/c I'm Batman.

JoshF · Post by **JoshF** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:24 am

hey cmom comom get sillyass

-Bridget- · Post by **-Bridget-** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:58 am

I dont think it's gonna be at all easy to find games..... for SCORING.... that EVERYONE agrees with.

Cave for example.

Yeah, Im a huuuuuuuge fan of Cave; I have everything of theirs that I've so far found any way to get my hands on, and I play them frequently.

That being said,

I usually totally hate Cave's idea of a scoring system. It's all chaining and pure memorization. Aside from Progear, and...... maybe DOJ's Death Label mode, I play these purely for survival challenges, not scoring.

Psikyo too..... I like them alot as well, but their scoring is usually just as idiotic to me, and there are those that just dont like them for some reason.

Much as Im such a huge fan of those two groups, I really dont think their games would necessarily be the best choices for the STGT thing. (Of the two though, Psikyo is the better to pick from, if one needed to be chosen).

Oh, and on the note of week choices, I think we should do a Caravan Week....... yeah, I been into those lately.......

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:37 am

Mike, I'll address some of your points when I come home, since I almost finished writing a post there. :)

-Bridget- wrote:I dont think it's gonna be at all easy to find games..... for SCORING.... that EVERYONE agrees with.

Of course it's not. However, the proposed goal here is not as much about satisfying the majority, as it is about picking games neutral enough to not let the minority feel bad and cause drama about the dumb game choice.

-Bridget- wrote:It's all chaining and pure memorization.

I'm not very fond of those either, that's why I picked the two Cave games most independent from both chaining and memorization. In fact, I'd love to pick Ketsui or DDP 2 for the tourney, but those aren't emulated yet. :(

-Bridget- wrote:Oh, and on the note of week choices, I think we should do a Caravan Week.

Yes, that is a must. Back when we were discussing it in IRC several weeks ago (I distinctly remember sikraiken, P_HAT and a few others participating), caravan week seemed like a no-brainer, and it still does seem a perfect theme.

So far my ideas revolve around these themes:

1) Caravan week;
2) Famous classic week;
3) STGT'07 2nd place week;
4) Doujin week;
5) Famous manic week.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:12 am

2) Famous classic week;
5) Famous manic week.

The Famous [insert adjective] weeks are broken since they are very open to opinion, or in the case of manic a somewhat bastardized word that nobody has ever agreed on.

I'd like to see non-Cave danmaku week in it's place to be honest.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:12 am

moozooh wrote: 1) Caravan week;
2) Famous classic week;
3) STGT'07 2nd place week;
4) Doujin week;
5) Famous manic week.

This sounds pretty much perfect to me. The only problem might be Doujin week, and finding a free, full, legally available to all game that will work on a majority of computers. It's the week I'm potentially most exited about though

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:19 am

GaijinPunch wrote:The Famous [insert adjective] weeks are broken since they are very open to opinion, or in the case of manic a somewhat bastardized word that nobody has ever agreed on.

I'd like to see non-Cave danmaku week in it's place to be honest.

Well, I just used them more to denote the general selection theme not limited to certain developer or something. I guess "famous" is not required here at all.

As for manic-ness, it will be up for debate. For one, I consider stuff like Garegga and late Psikyo manic, even if there's not much danmaku per se.

MX7 wrote:The only problem might be Doujin week, and finding a free, full, legally available to all game that will work on a majority of computers.

Well, since we don't really have that kind of problem with MAME ROMs, why should we have it with doujins? It's not really that different, after all.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:50 am

moozooh wrote:
MX7 wrote:The only problem might be Doujin week, and finding a free, full, legally available to all game that will work on a majority of computers.
Well, since we don't really have that kind of problem with MAME ROMs, why should we have it with doujins? It's not really that different, after all.

Doujin games can be very picky about what systems they work on. You only need to look at all the hoo-ha in the RefleX thread to know this

moozooh · Post by **moozooh** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:53 am

Well, I guess some testing will be necessary in that case.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:05 pm

To answer your question moozooh, it's probably because an emulator is generally easier to set up than a personalized program. Find a game, but be reasonable about it and let those who don't have top-notch hardware have a seat. And a caravan week is a good idea.

1. Shock Troopers
2. Koutetsu Yousai STRAHL
3. ESP Ra.De
4. Seirei Senshi Spriggan (Score+Time Attack)
5. Strikers 1945 Plus

That's my list. Yes? No? If you say so...

sikraiken · Post by **sikraiken** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:06 pm

STRAHL can be counterstopped (not sure how easily though), and by caravan he means time-attack type stuff.

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:12 pm

Now that I did not know. Hopefully it's a "Japanese-only" thing. Yes, I know that's harsh...

Seirei Senshi Spriggan is just that.

sikraiken · Post by **sikraiken** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:13 pm

That's not harsh, it's a garbage remark. The best japanese players are only good because of their time and dedication. They aren't genetically more suited to be good at games.

Why is Shock Troopers on your list, then?

lgb · Post by **lgb** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:28 pm

Because it needs to be here.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:03 pm

LGB wrote: 3. ESP Ra.De

This automatically disqualifies you from any decision making or voting in the tournament.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:07 pm

Shock Troopers?????????????

orange · Post by **orange** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:59 pm

moozooh wrote:Well, since we don't really have that kind of problem with MAME ROMs, why should we have it with doujins? It's not really that different, after all.

i think you forgot what forum we're on

doujin week would never happen

ever

ever

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:06 pm

The mention of doujins nearly made me say "in before shoe-sama"

sikraiken · Post by **sikraiken** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:23 pm

There are some good free, legal ones.

Enhasa · Post by **Enhasa** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 4:44 pm

mikwuyma wrote: Gaijinpunch: Why so serious?

Don't you know? You're only allowed to fakepost if your postcount is 2000+

orange · Post by **orange** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 5:42 pm

orange wrote:
moozooh wrote:Well, since we don't really have that kind of problem with MAME ROMs, why should we have it with doujins? It's not really that different, after all.
i think you forgot what forum we're on

doujin week would never happen

ever

ever

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:52 pm

moozooh wrote: 3) STGT'07 2nd place week;

You have a series of complaints about the games that were picked and want leftovers week (and good complaints they were)? I'd rather see Batrider picked again/STGT'06 1st place week.

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:57 pm

Rob wrote:
moozooh wrote: 3) STGT'07 2nd place week;
You have a series of complaints about the games that were picked and want leftovers week (and good complaints they were)? I'd rather see Batrider picked again/STGT'06 1st place week.

Ha, I'd second that.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:01 pm

Rob wrote:
moozooh wrote: 3) STGT'07 2nd place week;
You have a series of complaints about the games that were picked and want leftovers week (and good complaints they were)? I'd rather see Batrider picked again/STGT'06 1st place week.

I'd rather not play Butwider again. That, and Twin Bee Yahoo!, can stay buried for years to come as far as I'm concerned.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:11 pm

hey can I run STGT? all caravans all the time, and Luciole isn't allowed to play

VorpalEdge · Post by **VorpalEdge** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 9:26 pm

Rob wrote:
moozooh wrote: 3) STGT'07 2nd place week;
You have a series of complaints about the games that were picked and want leftovers week (and good complaints they were)? I'd rather see Batrider picked again/STGT'06 1st place week.

It's completely worth it as long as it gets Raiden Fighters Jet on the ballot.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:40 pm

Enhasa wrote:
mikwuyma wrote: Gaijinpunch: Why so serious?
Don't you know? You're only allowed to fakepost if your postcount is 2000+

That may be the lamest insult I've seen on the internet, period. You're a disgrace to the forum.

EDIT: That comes off correcter.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:38 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
Enhasa wrote:
mikwuyma wrote: Gaijinpunch: Why so serious? :cry:
Don't you know? You're only allowed to fakepost if your postcount is 2000+
That may be the worst insult I've seen on the internet, period. You're a disgrace to the forum.

Enhasa said 2000+ because I'm not quite up to the next milestone yet.

-Bridget- · Post by **-Bridget-** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:45 am

GaijinPunch wrote:
2) Famous classic week;
5) Famous manic week.
The Famous [insert adjective] weeks are broken since they are very open to opinion, or in the case of manic a somewhat bastardized word that nobody has ever agreed on.

I'd like to see non-Cave danmaku week in it's place to be honest.

Agreed.

I love the danmaku style, but as mentioned above, Cave games and their usual scoring style just wouldnt cut it for a tourney like this.

What other ones might make good choices for that, though, I wonder? Im having trouble thinking of others to suggest..... much of the danmaku styled ones I've played ARE Cave's games......

Either way, that idea for a week theme is a good one.