Dark Knight

jormungand · Post by **jormungand** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:45 am

jp wrote:
jormungand wrote: I told him he should watch Caesar Romero in the 1966 Batman movie. He's got assloads of comic mischief.
Batman: "... and the shark was pulling on my leg."
Robin: "The Joker!!!!"

The best part about that whole movie was Casar Romero still having a mustache under his joker makeup. I can't watch it without bursting into laughter, that and thinking at any minute the Penguin was gonna say "You're gonna eat lightnin' and you're gonna crap thunder!

nlen83 · Post by **nlen83** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:26 am

I have to disagree on this one..

I was gonna post this on yahoo but I think they got too many reviews up already. I spent a good five minutes on this so I figured I should put it up somewhere.

"I'm starting to doubt people more and more when it comes to movie reviews. I used to believe that movie critics were too hard on a lot of movies I liked. Thus, I looked to the user reviews on yahoo to get a better feel for the quality of a particular movie. I think I may need to look elsewhere these days.

This movie is simply not as good as everyone says it is. I think most people were saddened to hear about Heath Ledger's passing. But I now wonder if that alone is inflating The Dark Knight's reviews. He did a truly outstanding job playing the joker. There is no denying that. The problem is, the rest of the movie was mediocre in every aspect.

For one, there was no need to make the film two and half hours long. It wasn't good enough to fit that time frame. By dragging the picture along they brought down the quality. There are countless minutes literally wasted on boring, useless dialog.

Another problem I had was with Maggie Gyllenhaal. I have nothing against her, but she wasn't a good fit for batman and her acting performance was fairly drab overall. Watching her act in this film was somewhat annoying. Her part of the script required believable emotions and that just was not there.

One thing I enjoyed about Batman Begins and The Dark Knight is the style. These movies have more realism and darkness than most comic book based movies these days. However, I wish the creators would have stuck to that realistic style throughout the film. Anyone who has seen the movie should understand what I'm saying. Harvey Dent was pushed over the top. He went from a semi-solid character to a animated joke later in the movie. Even the Joker did a few things outside of the "dark" style initially created.

Why not stick with that evil they had going? It would have made a more memorable experience. Taking all this in to consideration, the movie is still worth seeing. It is a "good" movie. But really...nothing more. "

Oh, my yahoo grade was a "B" btw. Anyone here agree with me at all? Am I crazy?

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:38 am

It seems that Ledger dying was the best thing to happen to this film.

Minzoku · Post by **Minzoku** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:20 pm

JLA?

I want want want there to be a Batman Beyond live action someday

Kevin Conroy as Old Bruce FTW

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:48 pm

nlen83:

I gotta say I'm not with you there. Ledger's death had nothing to do with how I saw the movie; in fact I was skeptical because of all the hype before the movie. I still thought it was just brilliant.

The length was perfect. I thought the pacing was absolutely great, I never got tired of the film, it didn't drag on at all in my opinion.

Gyllenhaal, I can agree with you, she wasn't great, but I thought she did an alright job and didn't detract from the movie a whole lot since she wasn't present in most of it. Her conflict between Bruce and Harvey seemed real enough too which is all that mattered.

As to the style, I don't see what you mean. I felt they maintained the same style throughout and it was masterfully done.

*SPOILERS*

Harvey made an interesting transition that was believable, I thought. He endured so much throughout the movie due to being the nice guy, so much evil happened to him while he was being the nice guy, and Rachel dying was really the breaking point for him. He was a weaker version of Batman. Joker was able to successfully corrupt him to prove his point. I thought it was really well done.

*END SPOILER*

Yeah so I have to disagree with your assessment. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 12:37 am

Here, let me show you a magic trick.

nlen83 · Post by **nlen83** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 1:47 am

Here, let me show you a magic trick.

Best part of the movie.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:10 pm

I kinda like most Batman films up to now (even: Forever!).

These kinda comments get me psyched for this one even more though...

Most hypes DO disappoint though in my experience...

Phil12 · Post by **Phil12** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:25 pm

Elixir wrote:I get the feeling that about 70% of Americans will hate it.

That's not true. I live in New Jersey and the Batman craze is off the charts.

Mortificator · Post by **Mortificator** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 9:03 pm

Super Laydock wrote:I kinda like most Batman films up to now (even: Forever!).

Mask of the Phantasm was actually my favorite. I haven't seen it since it first came out, though.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:59 am

Just saw it .. really, really dissapointed. Will write more later.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:38 am

Udderdude wrote:Just saw it .. really, really dissapointed. Will write more later.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 4:07 am

christian bale in for assault lmao

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:53 am

I guess people will complain about any movie being too long that makes you think it's over before it's over... fact is this movie puts every second of it's screentime to good use. Don't buy the large soda next time, or ask the doctor about a higher dose for your ADD medicine.

*slight spoiler territory*

What bugs me most is people that would take out the Hong Kong scene. Everything falls apart for Batman in the second half, he can barely contain the chaos. Let him have a scene where he's at the top of his game. Seeing him flying to the building was also a pretty amazing shot.

I think Rachel's character is played pretty low-key for a reason. Yes, I'm talking about that reason in particular. I think they made her more down to earth instead of gorgeous for the same reasons. People would bitch I think (and yet they do anyways)

* end *

This is everything I could ask for from a hollywood film. You still have to suspend your belief just a little bit, I know that's hard for some of you, but get your damn money's worth and do it. This is easily one of my favorite films in a long time, but see it on your own terms nevertheless. Hype is a bitch, but trust me you'll get your money's worth if you just want to see a really good comic book movie.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:44 am

Twiddle wrote:christian bale in for assault lmao

He was serving up some vigilante justice against his sister and momma

He was all "MY PARENTS ARE DEAAAAD" and they were like "no we don't believe you" and then he SNAPPED

StoofooEsq · Post by **StoofooEsq** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:57 am

But before he slapped his mom and sister around, he asked them if they liked Huey Lewis and the News.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:21 pm

Warning: This has tons of spoilers. Run in terror if you don't like them.

Dark Knight Sucks. Basically, the movie's major scenes felt so forced and set-up that I couldn't save my suspension of disbelief for even a second. I was sitting there thinking, "They expect me to believe this shit?". Not like I expect a comic book movie to be 100% realistic, but when that's pretty much the entire premise, it's hard not to notice. Spiderman 2 was more believeable than this. Fucking Iron Man was more believeable. Because they didn't have retarded logic holes big enough to drive a truck full of bazooka-wielding clowns through.

I'd say the total groner scenes were the mayor assasination, the prison escape, the hostpital blowing up, and the ferry boat. The ferry boat scene in paticular was so badly forced, corny and unbelieveable I felt like walking out of the theatre at that point. That combined with the fact that it had allready dragged it's feet for 2 hours at that point.

The mayor assasination was so utterly forced and stupid. Hey, there's a crazy lunatic running around the city killing major government figures, and he's targeted the fucking mayor! LET'S PUT HIM OUT IN THE OPEN SURROUNDED BY POSSIBLE SNIPER POINTS! At no point was there any realization that this was a BAD IDEA and get him the fuck out of there before he could be killed. Also, the idea of a bunch of crazy hospital escapees taking out a group of highly trained marines is so ridiculous that they didn't even show it, because there's no way in hell they could make it believeable. I don't care if the OMGJOKER aka Mr. Plot Device was helping them, they would get their fucking asses kicked.

The prison escape was especially indicative of how retarded they expect us to believe the law enforcement is. Joker and his cronies would never be locked up in the same prison, they would be shipped off to DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY. "I just want my phone call" indeed. And how the fuck does he get out of that interview room, anyway? Doesn't anyone know how those doors actually work? Hint: You can't just open them like a normal door. Once again, it isn't shown, because it's impossible to show it and have it be believeable. And why is there some random guy in the interview room? To watch him? YOU COULD JUST WATCH HIM FROM THE OUTSIDE. And .. where did his handcuffs go? Does the guy watching him TAKE THEM OFF? Just thinking about this shit is making my head hurt from how fucking dumb it is.

The Hospital scene showcases Joker's apparent ability to teleport hundreds of barrels of gasoline anywhere in Gotham without anyone noticing. Yes, he's supposed to have mob money and goons running around doing it for him, but enough to blow up an entire hospital without ANYONE noticing? That's retarded. Where in the hosptial are they hidden, anyway? The scene with the Joker walking away with explosions behind him wants us to believe that the explosions are coming from the actual hospital rooms. HOW THE FUCK DOES ANYONE NOT NOTICE A STRUNG UP BARREL OF GASOLINE RIGHT IN THE DAMN ROOMS?!

The ferry scene .. what can I say? Teleporting gasoline, cheezy emotional bating, complete lack of detail (Joker could have made them set to auto-explode at 12:00, instead of having to turn a key .. someone could have went downstairs and just tried to disarm them manually .. ) In fact, I'm not even sure why they were all put on those ferries to begin with. Something to do with making sure the criminals weren't in on the Joker's plan? If so, why the ferry full of civilians? What the fuck is even going on at this point? So lame, so forced .. auggggggggh.

Also the fact that if there was really some guy and his cronies assasinating major goverment figures (mayors, judges, police) and blowing up hospitals, it would be on every major news station in the US. The President would call in the fucking army and put the entire city on lockdown. Not sit back and watch him fuck up even more shit. I had one person argue, "Well, maybe it's not in the US!". No. Just fucking no.

The Twoface scenes were pretty crappy, too. Nothing interesting about them at all. I felt nothing, because the entire setup to that point had completely fallen apart into little bits. And the final scene with the wife and kids was awful. OH NO DON'T HURT TEH KIDS! Fucking lame, it's almost like it was a parody of itself. Batman's voice here sounds especially bad, mostly because he's trying to say more than a few words at a time.

And the scene with the Joker at the fundraiser for Harvey. After Batman has to jump out of a window to save that girl, what happens up top with Joker and the room full of billionaires? Does he trash the place? Does he kill anyone just for fucking fun? Does he just leave? We don't get to see. Thanks. In fact, how does he manage to get into the place anyway? Does he kill the security? Uhh? I guess he uses his magical teleporting ability like he does with his barrels of gasoline.

I guess you could all say, "Well that's what Batman IS!". If that's the case, it still sucks, sorry. The Joker doing and getting away with impossible shit over and over is not fun to watch, and the resulting mayhem and emotional baiting just feels forced and fake.

orange · Post by **orange** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:19 pm

i'm sorry you feel that way

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:22 pm

I saw "suspension of disbelief" and stopped reading.

If you can't let yourself go for a few horus and enjoy an action movie like Batman, there is something wrong with you.

Why so serious?

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:36 pm

I saw "suspension of disbelief" and stopped reading.

i'm sorry you feel that way

I thought the ways that Joker was tricking everybody in so many ways just for his own amusement, and how multi-layered his plots were, was really just brilliant, and rarely seen in such quality in any movie, much less a superhero movie. And the themes that the movie touched on made it so much deeper than most superhero movies even try to be. I can forgive some small plot holes and errors.

By the way if you thought Spiderman 2 was more believable than Dark Knight I just don't know what to tell you. Watch Spiderman 2 again and try to keep from laughing any time they talk about scientific concepts of any kind.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:57 pm

For Udderdude,

Perhaps, all the loose ends and plots will be tidied up with the eventual release of Dark Knight on DVD and Blu-Ray with more deleted scenes and whatnot that wasn't shown on the "big screen" theatrically that explains some the loose ends.

You could try placing blame on the editor, as he or she has to maintain a nice sense of pace and flow for the entire film. Here's an analog:

When George Lucas first released his first cut of Star Wars: A New Hope to test audiences, it didn't fare too well. It was back to the editing room for some really drastic editing, the end result? The "final" version that you now have at home on VHS, Laserdisc, and DVD.

At least the Joker dies in the original 1989 Tim Burton Batman movie. And was Jack Nicholson's asking $50 million fee for his portrayal of the Joker worth it? It took awhile for Warner Bros. to earn that $$$ money back and still make a profit after all expenses were paid off.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 7:29 pm

Tempest wrote:If you can't let yourself go for a few horus and enjoy an action movie like Batman, there is something wrong with you.

When a movie presents itself as serious and then expects me to believe stupid, broken logic, it's not something I paticuarly enjoy. Spiderman and Iron Man did not take themselves anywhere near as serious or heavy-handed, and I enjoyed them much more, despite their few flaws. They also had "Impossible, fantastic events", but they worked within the plot of the movie and the abilities of the characters. I don't remember anywhere in Dark Knight where the Joker was explained to have the ability to teleport barrels of exploding gasoline, or make people around him act really, really fucking stupid ..

It also doesn't help that it was hyped up and reviewed as an epic crime drama, and what I ended up with was a nonsensical action movie. Does anyone even know what an "Epic crime drama" is anymore? Hint: Dark Knight is not.

I can also point out logic flaws in Aliens (Why send down people, when you can send unmanned probes? Tech is clearly advanced enough to allow something like that to happen), but I still enjoy that movie, because it's at least presented in a way that you can shove aside the feeling in the back of your head and just enjoy it. Suspension of disbelief .. what a concept

kengou wrote:I thought the ways that Joker was tricking everybody in so many ways just for his own amusement, and how multi-layered his plots were, was really just brilliant

Is he really tricking them if they practically allow it to happen through impossible off-screen events and/or blatant stupidity? I guess I could pull a trick on a bunch of retards and feel that I was brilliant, but that would make me a retard as well.

kengou wrote:By the way if you thought Spiderman 2 was more believable than Dark Knight I just don't know what to tell you. Watch Spiderman 2 again and try to keep from laughing any time they talk about scientific concepts of any kind.

It's not really the sci-fi elements that I'm talking about. I mean just the basic plot, logic and direction of the movie.

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Perhaps, all the loose ends and plots will be tidied up with the eventual release of Dark Knight on DVD and Blu-Ray with more deleted scenes and whatnot that wasn't shown on the "big screen" theatrically that explains some the loose ends.

If they do decide to make a cut of the movie that isn't a logical trainwreck, it would certianly be interesting to see how they handle some of the scenes. I wouldn't buy it anyway.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:06 pm

You're an idiot. ANY action movie would fall apart from smartasses like you picking at every little thing. Good god man.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:08 pm

szycag wrote:You're an idiot. ANY action movie would fall apart from smartasses like you picking at every little thing. Good god man.

You forgot to call me a doo-doo head and caca breath. You also apparently forgot to read my replies. Try harder. I allready said there are other action movies I like. Don't act like I hate all of them.

Besides, with all the hype this movie is getting, I wasn't going to go easy on it ..

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:15 pm

I don't care to try harder. You clearly just have a wet blanket complex anyways, with that hype comment.

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:10 am

Udderdude wrote:Besides, with all the hype this movie is getting, I wasn't going to go easy on it ..

Ah, the infamous "It's popular, therefor bad" excuse. I wasn't really going ot go this deep into it, but since you seem to think you're a lone beacon of enlightenment in a sea of mindless drones who like this movie, I'll oblidge you.

The mayor assasination was so utterly forced and stupid. Hey, there's a crazy lunatic running around the city killing major government figures, and he's targeted the fucking mayor! LET'S PUT HIM OUT IN THE OPEN SURROUNDED BY POSSIBLE SNIPER POINTS! At no point was there any realization that this was a BAD IDEA and get him the fuck out of there before he could be killed.

Did you miss the part where they said they planned to have Gordon get shot? That was the linchpin to getting the Joker into custody the first time.

Also, the idea of a bunch of crazy hospital escapees taking out a group of highly trained marines is so ridiculous that they didn't even show it, because there's no way in hell they could make it believeable. I don't care if the OMGJOKER aka Mr. Plot Device was helping them, they would get their fucking asses kicked.

They weren't Marines, they were cops, and assuming they picked them off one at a time in the day(s) prior, it would have been easy for the Joker's gang to get them. The Joker is a criminal mastermind, he outsmarted the Gotham PD when it came to arresting him and getting him closer to Lao, why couldn't he figure out how to take out about a dozen cops?

The prison escape was especially indicative of how retarded they expect us to believe the law enforcement is. Joker and his cronies would never be locked up in the same prison, they would be shipped off to DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY.

First off, what makes you more knowledgeable of Police SOP when it comes to locking up criminals that the people who worked on the film? The people were in lockup, they had just been taken into custody. My understanding of the law is that you get put into a holding cell until they figure out who you are and then they move you out accordingly. The time between the Joker getting caught and escaping was never more than a few hours. That was what made the Mayor's phrase "The clown will keep till morning" so ironic. He was leaving just as the sun came out on the horizon.

"I just want my phone call" indeed. And how the fuck does he get out of that interview room, anyway? Doesn't anyone know how those doors actually work? Hint: You can't just open them like a normal door. Once again, it isn't shown, because it's impossible to show it and have it be believeable. And why is there some random guy in the interview room? To watch him? YOU COULD JUST WATCH HIM FROM THE OUTSIDE. And .. where did his handcuffs go? Does the guy watching him TAKE THEM OFF? Just thinking about this shit is making my head hurt from how fucking dumb it is.

the Cop, just like Gordon, probably had a key to the room on him. If you watch Gordon as he leaves, he has a key he uses to to get out. Since he was in there with the Joker, it stand to reason the Cop in there had a key on him. As for why he was in there, I guess there is no good reason, most likely to make sure the Joker didn't try anything. That one didn't make much sense, I'll give you that. as for the cuffs, Gordon took them off when Batman interogated him, and in the rush to save Dent/Rachel they didn't think to get them back on immediately. You know, for claiming to notice all this "stupid" stuff, you sure do miss a lot of very obvious things.

he Hospital scene showcases Joker's apparent ability to teleport hundreds of barrels of gasoline anywhere in Gotham without anyone noticing. Yes, he's supposed to have mob money and goons running around doing it for him, but enough to blow up an entire hospital without ANYONE noticing? That's retarded. Where in the hosptial are they hidden, anyway? The scene with the Joker walking away with explosions behind him wants us to believe that the explosions are coming from the actual hospital rooms. HOW THE FUCK DOES ANYONE NOT NOTICE A STRUNG UP BARREL OF GASOLINE RIGHT IN THE DAMN ROOMS?!

They didn't ever say that the Joker used the Gasoline to detonate the Hospital, just that he was going to blow it up. He could have easily used C4 or a more easily hidable bomb. If you think about it (C'mon, you can do it) The times the Joker used the Gasonline cans, he WANTED people to see them. He wanted Harvey, Rachel, and the boat folks to see the gasoline and realize the kind of danger they were in.

Also the fact that if there was really some guy and his cronies assasinating major goverment figures (mayors, judges, police) and blowing up hospitals, it would be on every major news station in the US. The President would call in the fucking army and put the entire city on lockdown. Not sit back and watch him fuck up even more shit. I had one person argue, "Well, maybe it's not in the US!". No. Just fucking no.

Ok, at this point you are seriously just nitpicking. You are trying so hard not to like this movie it's just as lame and forced as you claim the movie to be. Take a look at FEMA during Katrina and you get a shining example of how the govermnet responded to a REAL disaster in a major city. Not to mention everyone knows that GOtham is a dirty, corrupt city. Imagine if Detroit (ironincally by where I live) was being assaulted by the Joker. No one nationally would care, because honestly? Most of the city would be better off as rubble.

And the scene with the Joker at the fundraiser for Harvey. After Batman has to jump out of a window to save that girl, what happens up top with Joker and the room full of billionaires? Does he trash the place? Does he kill anyone just for fucking fun? Does he just leave? We don't get to see. Thanks. In fact, how does he manage to get into the place anyway? Does he kill the security? Uhh? I guess he uses his magical teleporting ability like he does with his barrels of gasoline.

Dude, he just left. Imagine you're looking for a guy, and he's not where you think he is, and about 8/10ths of your gang just got the shit knocked out of them. You'd regroup, get the hell out and keep looking.

I really hope this is an elaborate troll, because if not, may God have mercy on your soul.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:38 am

Udderdude wrote:Warning: Rampant bitchassness ahead.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:41 am

Here's the monetary figures for opening weekend for the Dark Knight film:

$158,411,483

Not a bad figure for the movie studio to bankroll this particular film. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:26 am

Besides, with all the hype this movie is getting, I wasn't going to go easy on it ..
Ah, the infamous "It's popular, therefor bad" excuse. I wasn't really going ot go this deep into it, but since you seem to think you're a lone beacon of enlightenment in a sea of mindless drones who like this movie, I'll oblidge you.

I listed several action movies I do like, that were also extremely popular. I'm afraid your point here falls flat on it's face. Sorry. I don't hate everything popular, not by a long shot.

The mayor assasination was so utterly forced and stupid. Hey, there's a crazy lunatic running around the city killing major government figures, and he's targeted the fucking mayor! LET'S PUT HIM OUT IN THE OPEN SURROUNDED BY POSSIBLE SNIPER POINTS! At no point was there any realization that this was a BAD IDEA and get him the fuck out of there before he could be killed.
Did you miss the part where they said they planned to have Gordon get shot? That was the linchpin to getting the Joker into custody the first time.

By using their mayor as bait? WTF? That's pretty much just as stupid, if not more insane and callous, than what I posted. And I'm not sure how it's supposed to help them get the Joker later on, other than the Joker falsely beliving Gordon is dead. I don't think he would care that much. He probabally doesn't even recodnise the guy.

Also, the idea of a bunch of crazy hospital escapees taking out a group of highly trained marines is so ridiculous that they didn't even show it, because there's no way in hell they could make it believeable. I don't care if the OMGJOKER aka Mr. Plot Device was helping them, they would get their fucking asses kicked.
They weren't Marines, they were cops, and assuming they picked them off one at a time in the day(s) prior, it would have been easy for the Joker's gang to get them.

How could they have gotten their full uniforms if they were captured days prior? Do they walk around all day wearing them in the days leading up to the event? Wouldn't anyone notice they were missing and didn't show up, and notice that their "replacements" were all gibbering lunatics? Did the Joker somehow train these guys to march and fire a gun salute, despite them being gibbering maniacs? No matter which way I try to think about it, there's always something that doesn't make sense.

The prison escape was especially indicative of how retarded they expect us to believe the law enforcement is. Joker and his cronies would never be locked up in the same prison, they would be shipped off to DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE FUCKING COUNTRY.
First off, what makes you more knowledgeable of Police SOP when it comes to locking up criminals that the people who worked on the film? The people were in lockup, they had just been taken into custody. My understanding of the law is that you get put into a holding cell until they figure out who you are and then they move you out accordingly. The time between the Joker getting caught and escaping was never more than a few hours. That was what made the Mayor's phrase "The clown will keep till morning" so ironic. He was leaving just as the sun came out on the horizon.

I'd think that in situations like this, with someone as dangerous, they would make an exception. At the very least, his cronies would be in a completely different holding cell, somewhere else in the city (And don't tell me a city the size of Chigaco/Gotham wouldn't have more than one). The Joker commited crimes that warrant such extra safety. And oh yeah .. how the hell does he get a bomb in the guy's stomach to begin with, without killing him in the process? Also, wouldn't they have bomb sniffing dogs in there, as well as some sort of screening process? Even if it was hidden in his stomach, you'd think they could tell somehow.

"I just want my phone call" indeed. And how the fuck does he get out of that interview room, anyway? Doesn't anyone know how those doors actually work? Hint: You can't just open them like a normal door. Once again, it isn't shown, because it's impossible to show it and have it be believeable. And why is there some random guy in the interview room? To watch him? YOU COULD JUST WATCH HIM FROM THE OUTSIDE. And .. where did his handcuffs go? Does the guy watching him TAKE THEM OFF? Just thinking about this shit is making my head hurt from how fucking dumb it is.
the Cop, just like Gordon, probably had a key to the room on him. If you watch Gordon as he leaves, he has a key he uses to to get out. Since he was in there with the Joker, it stand to reason the Cop in there had a key on him. As for why he was in there, I guess there is no good reason, most likely to make sure the Joker didn't try anything. That one didn't make much sense, I'll give you that. as for the cuffs, Gordon took them off when Batman interogated him, and in the rush to save Dent/Rachel they didn't think to get them back on immediately.

Well, someone else should have had the mind to cuff him again. There's one than more pair of cuffs in a police station. Do you want me to keep beliving the cops are that dumb? I don't remember seeing them all sitting around eating donuts like chief Wiggum.

The Hospital scene showcases Joker's apparent ability to teleport hundreds of barrels of gasoline anywhere in Gotham without anyone noticing. Yes, he's supposed to have mob money and goons running around doing it for him, but enough to blow up an entire hospital without ANYONE noticing? That's retarded. Where in the hosptial are they hidden, anyway? The scene with the Joker walking away with explosions behind him wants us to believe that the explosions are coming from the actual hospital rooms. HOW THE FUCK DOES ANYONE NOT NOTICE A STRUNG UP BARREL OF GASOLINE RIGHT IN THE DAMN ROOMS?!
They didn't ever say that the Joker used the Gasoline to detonate the Hospital, just that he was going to blow it up. He could have easily used C4 or a more easily hidable bomb. If you think about it (C'mon, you can do it) The times the Joker used the Gasonline cans, he WANTED people to see them. He wanted Harvey, Rachel, and the boat folks to see the gasoline and realize the kind of danger they were in.

Ok, so he used something easily concealable. That still leaves him/his cronies getting in and hiding it all. Also, it would take a LOT of C4 to completely demolish the building like that. I guess I was wrong on this one, if you can assume he somehow managed to stash that much C4 in there and not get caught.

Also the fact that if there was really some guy and his cronies assasinating major goverment figures (mayors, judges, police) and blowing up hospitals, it would be on every major news station in the US. The President would call in the fucking army and put the entire city on lockdown. Not sit back and watch him fuck up even more shit. I had one person argue, "Well, maybe it's not in the US!". No. Just fucking no.
Ok, at this point you are seriously just nitpicking. You are trying so hard not to like this movie it's just as lame and forced as you claim the movie to be. Take a look at FEMA during Katrina and you get a shining example of how the govermnet responded to a REAL disaster in a major city. Not to mention everyone knows that GOtham is a dirty, corrupt city. Imagine if Detroit (ironincally by where I live) was being assaulted by the Joker. No one nationally would care, because honestly? Most of the city would be better off as rubble.

You really can't compare a natural disaster response to a terrorist threat response. FEMA would not even be involved in such a response, anyway. The US would be all over a terrorist threat like flies on shit, and you know it. A storm appears and blows over, all you can do is ride it out. Assasination of major govt. figures on top of that would be like declaring war on the US Goverment.

As for the Gotham/Detroit comparison .. I'd like to think Gotham is in a bit better shape. And it wouldn't matter, people WOULD care nationally. However, I think if the Joker was just killing random people, it'd probabally only make national headlines.

And the scene with the Joker at the fundraiser for Harvey. After Batman has to jump out of a window to save that girl, what happens up top with Joker and the room full of billionaires? Does he trash the place? Does he kill anyone just for fucking fun? Does he just leave? We don't get to see. Thanks. In fact, how does he manage to get into the place anyway? Does he kill the security? Uhh? I guess he uses his magical teleporting ability like he does with his barrels of gasoline.
Dude, he just left. Imagine you're looking for a guy, and he's not where you think he is, and about 8/10ths of your gang just got the shit knocked out of them. You'd regroup, get the hell out and keep looking.

I disagree, I'd at least like to see what happened.

I notice you didn't even touch the ferry scene, I hope you can at least agree that one was ridiculous.

Honeslty, I was really excited about this movie. I counted down the days to it's release. After seeing Iron Man, and thinking Dark Knight would be even better, I was dissapointed when it was actually worse. I wanted it to be awesome, and it just wasn't. I really wanted to like it. Oh well.

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Here's the monetary figures for opening weekend for the Dark Knight film: $158,411,483

It also cost $180 million to produce. Not that I don't think it won't make a profit.

KindGrind · Post by **KindGrind** » Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:27 am

SPOILERS!!!11!

Liked it a lot, except the gigacellphonesonar/fake swat/snipers/CHAOS/clown masks scenes near the end. Too chaotic for my tastes, and don't add anything except very basic fight scenes and noise. Show us more of the Joker, or something.