Hori Real Arcade Pro EX for 360

CC_Devil · Post by **CC_Devil** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 1:53 pm

Hori has just announced a 360 version of the HRAP!

HoriStore:
http://www.hori.jp/products/xbox360/con ... rc_pro_ex/

It is available on Play-Asia and Akihabarashop for Pre-order.

Buttons are HORI and will need to be swapped with SANWAs as usual.

Has anybody heard of the JLF-TM-8T-SK-K stick before?

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:11 pm

Sweet. Then again, supposedly there will be a SF4 stick to coincide with the release of that game. Despite the fact that it's a long shot, I'm hoping it won't be the standard Hori fare. We'll see. Otherwise, great news. GGX2, SF3:3S, CvSNK2, SF4, and XBLA shooters with good controls? Yes, please.

Patmaster · Post by **Patmaster** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:47 pm

But PLEASE... Put some "Real Arcade" push buttons in there. These Hori buttons s... a... At least OBSF30, better RGs...

EDIT: Ok, darn...

EDITEDIT: The JLF-TM8 is not in the actual Sanwa catalogue... Think it's a new development between the JFL am TM8 series. But that one has such a loooooong name.

oxtsu · Post by **oxtsu** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 3:17 am

CC_Devil wrote:
Has anybody heard of the JLF-TM-8T-SK-K stick before?

It's a JLF stick with seperate micro connections (TM), flat plate (T), shaft cover (SK), and black balltop (K).

Sanwa discontinued this one a couple years ago, perhaps Hori got a sweet deal on their leftover stock.

It feels identical to the standard JLF-TP.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:10 am

oxtsu wrote:It's a JLF stick with seperate micro connections (TM), flat plate (T), shaft cover (SK), and black balltop (K).

I might be the only one that thinks so, but that is frickin awesome. Screw the shaft cover but, otherwise, cool.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jun 22, 2008 8:01 pm

With the eventual Ketsui and DOJ releases, on top of Raiden Fighters Aces and the stuff on XBLA, I'll probably buy this in the future. Hopefully it won't be $180 like the HRAP SA.

Edit: Judging from the prices on Play-Asia.com, it's probably going to cost $129.95. Damn..

cody · Post by **cody** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:05 pm

oxtsu wrote:Sanwa discontinued this one a couple years ago, perhaps Hori got a sweet deal on their leftover stock.

Either that, or it's because the stick is going to use a crappy non-common-ground pcb, which wouldn't work with a normal jlf.

Elixir wrote:Judging from the prices on Play-Asia.com, it's probably going to cost $129.95. Damn..

http://www.shopncsx.com/realarcadeproexjoystick.aspx

Would you like some lubricant with that?

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Mon Jun 23, 2008 8:55 pm

Damn, that's fricking expensive for an 360 RAP-EX stick: $218.90 USD from National Console Support Inc. and the intial pre-order batch is sold out anyways...this 360 RAP stick costs more than a PS3 RAP-3 btw.

Or you could go with Seimitsu buttons instead of Sanwa buttons, which ever you prefer -- can't go wrong with either selection of Japanese arcade spec push buttons... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

CC_Devil · Post by **CC_Devil** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:52 am

Yeah, I'm going to wait and see how much Play-Asia sells them for too.
They still haven't opened pre-orders though.

Post by **spadgy** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:06 am

Elixir wrote:With the eventual Ketsui and DOJ releases, on top of Raiden Fighters Aces and the stuff on XBLA

And Raiden IV and Shiki III... looks like I'll need a new stick, and this will be the one unless I can get my modded VSHG running through a 360...

kemical · Post by **kemical** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:22 am

spadgy wrote:looks like I'll need a new stick, and this will be the one unless I can get my modded VSHG running through a 360...

you can, I think, definitely if it is a ps2 controller, you could use a ps2 to neo adapter... If its PS3 im not sure (i think its all ps2 to ps3 adapters..)

But for modding a 360 controller, the easiest pads to mod (common ground) that I've heard of is the madcatz classic joystick (looks like a crap atari joystick) and gamestop's branded controller, its the one with weird pointy handles and lightweight cheap plastic.

I went the gamestop route and used ribbon cable to make a neo-geo style db-15 connector that cleanly hangs out from the little gap on the headset socket (headset socket still works).. the controller itself is used for any buttons not on the stick (like the xbox dashboard button).

Highly recommended if you already have a nice stick and want to use it..

Post by **spadgy** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:13 am

kemical wrote:
spadgy wrote:looks like I'll need a new stick, and this will be the one unless I can get my modded VSHG running through a 360...
you can, I think

It's actually a PS3 stick, so USB, and apparently it might work with a 360 - I just haven't had a game to warrant trying it with yet... I'll give it a spin tonight...

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:22 pm

cody wrote:http://www.shopncsx.com/realarcadeproexjoystick.aspx

Wow, they can't be serious. This puts me off entirely. Playing with a 360 controller really isn't that bad. I mean, I can still fluently 1cc stuff without this controller.

It's a shame though. Maybe some other stores will have it for cheaper.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 1:23 pm

I suspect there are huge differences with the standard 360 controllers. My d-pad is so hard-going that it hardly registered me pressing right. It's a real pain in the ass playing Raiden Fighters with it...

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Tue Jun 24, 2008 4:05 pm

Might as well bite the bullet and get one however much it costs... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:31 am

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Might as well bite the bullet and get one however much it costs... ^_~

Try factoring in the total cost, including shipping from Play-Asia. Assuming that their price is the same as the price listed at NCSX, and assuming that the shipping cost will be the same of the PS3's HRAP3: $218.90 + 50. Jesus christ, that's a quarter/half of your next Cave PCB.

I don't think it's worth it for that price.. but then again Play-Asia isn't NCSX, and they probably have ways of getting them for (maybe) cheaper, since they're in Hong Kong.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:24 pm

Elixir wrote:
PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Might as well bite the bullet and get one however much it costs... ^_~
Try factoring in the total cost, including shipping from Play-Asia. Assuming that their price is the same as the price listed at NCSX, and assuming that the shipping cost will be the same of the PS3's HRAP3: $218.90 + 50. Jesus christ, that's a quarter/half of your next Cave PCB.

I don't think it's worth it for that price.. but then again Play-Asia isn't NCSX, and they probably have ways of getting them for (maybe) cheaper, since they're in Hong Kong.

If you want the best that $$$ can buy, then you will pay whatever it costs + further upgrading the stock Hori push buttons to either Sanwa or Seimitsu push buttons. Console gaming ain't a cheap hobby these days and if you want a decent Japanese arcade stick for your favorite console, plan to fork out even more for the opportunity to do so. Think of it as a one-time intial purchase...you can always resell and get most of your intial investment back if it isn't what you thought it was going be... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:49 pm

Chrissakes...at this price it's cheaper to have one custom built for you. Custom art, stick, and buttons still wouldn't run this much.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:57 pm

Damocles wrote:Chrissakes...at this price it's cheaper to have one custom built for you. Custom art, stick, and buttons still wouldn't run this much.

Tis true for such a custom arcade stick...you get what you pay for. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 9:49 pm

spadgy wrote:
kemical wrote:
spadgy wrote:looks like I'll need a new stick, and this will be the one unless I can get my modded VSHG running through a 360...
you can, I think
It's actually a PS3 stick, so USB, and apparently it might work with a 360 - I just haven't had a game to warrant trying it with yet... I'll give it a spin tonight...

it won't work on 360 unfortunately. there has to be a dedicated 360 pcb installed because of microsofts security protection. only officially licensed peripherals can be used on the 360. it is possible however to add a 360 pcb to your stick and have it operate on both the the ps3 and the 360.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:39 am

Ugh I really wanted one of these but not for that price.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:59 am

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:If you want the best that $$$ can buy, then you will pay whatever it costs + further upgrading the stock Hori push buttons to either Sanwa or Seimitsu push buttons. Console gaming ain't a cheap hobby these days and if you want a decent Japanese arcade stick for your favorite console, plan to fork out even more for the opportunity to do so. Think of it as a one-time intial purchase...you can always resell and get most of your intial investment back if it isn't what you thought it was going be... ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

You can still buy better arcade sticks for cheaper. "If you want the best that $$$ can buy, you'll pay whatever it costs" is the most hilarious thing I've ever heard of. There certainly isn't enough on the 360 to warrant a purchase of this stick at that price just yet. Maybe later this year though.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:10 am

It generally only takes me one game that I will play quite a bit to make it worth buying a stick.

hermosaguy · Post by **hermosaguy** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:43 am

GaijinPunch wrote:It generally only takes me one game that I will play quite a bit to make it worth buying a stick.

Agreed. Senko for the 360 is what convinced me on the stick purchase.

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:19 am

I'd follow the same train of thought if I weren't already using a Saturn pad with my 360, yeah.

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:32 pm

Elixir wrote:I'd follow the same train of thought if I weren't already using a Saturn pad with my 360, yeah.

how?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:02 am

You need an XFPS, a Saturn PS2 pad, and a wired 360 controller. Since the XFPS takes PS2 pads, it'll also take that one (same with HRAPs and anything with PS2 plugs).

The downside is that you can't configure the button layout.

brokenhalo · Post by **brokenhalo** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 4:45 pm

Elixir wrote:You need an XFPS, a Saturn PS2 pad, and a wired 360 controller. Since the XFPS takes PS2 pads, it'll also take that one (same with HRAPs and anything with PS2 plugs).

The downside is that you can't configure the button layout.

gotcha. the srk guys cry about the lag that the xfps produces. have you noticed any problems in that area?

Elixir · Post by **Elixir** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 5:40 am

Uhh no, I haven't noticed any lag.. I know I did 1cc Triggerheart with it.

But this stick wasn't available then. You're looking at $90 for the XFPS + $30 for a wired 360 controller and however much Saturn PS2 pads eBay for these days. If this was available back when Raiden Fighters Aces was released, I probably wouldn't have this current method of play.

It's really just your choice.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:45 am

Elixir wrote:Uhh no, I haven't noticed any lag.. I know I did 1cc Triggerheart with it.

But this stick wasn't available then. You're looking at $90 for the XFPS + $30 for a wired 360 controller and however much Saturn PS2 pads eBay for these days. If this was available back when Raiden Fighters Aces was released, I probably wouldn't have this current method of play.

It's really just your choice.

What a wacky and complex setup you got there, Elixir...a dedicated 360 arcade stick would simply things a lot easier, don't you think? If you're happy with your current setup, then so be it. ^_~

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~