Radiant Silvergun DS

moonblood · Post by **moonblood** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:54 pm

http://www.ds-scene.net/?s=viewtopic&nid=5417

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byASfYROPQI

Looks nice

Plasmo · Post by **Plasmo** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:30 pm

Wow this looks worse than anything I've ever seen.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:38 pm

A homebrew version of Radiant Silvergun for the Nintendo DS.

It looks worse than the abomination that was DDP 2

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 3:56 pm

The pix reminded me of judgement silversword... but the movie raised my hopes.
It doesn't look bad at all, expecially since it is in alpha stage (it is, right?).
Glitchy but the programming up to now looks solid, and there's not much like that on the DS.
I'll keep track of it, thanks for the heads up

overkill55 · Post by **overkill55** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:57 pm

It will probably end up looking a lot better than this. For the record it does look pretty bad in the current stage

Triforce · Post by **Triforce** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:42 pm

Understand that this is being developed with the PAlib library, which means that right off the bat there will be limitations in what can be done in regards to the development of the game. I could be totally wrong here but it sounds like you guys may have no idea about doujin development on the NDS and what people have done with it so far so i will try to explain a little.

First up you cant really go expecting something on par with a commercial game as no homebrew dev has access to the official nintendo SDK. Secondly, you should know that the DS has a maximum of 4MB RAM, yeah thats not a typo, you have have a full 4MB of RAM to work with. But.. hes currently rewriting the engine to load sprites, levels, and music, all from FAT.

What retrohead has done so far is pretty good considering the project is in alpha stage and far from finished. Take into consideration that what you've seen so far is just a scratch off the surface on what he has planned for the game.

So while some of you may be thinking it's the biggest pile of shit you have ever seen. Look at 90% of all other DS homebrew written with PAlib and you might change your mind.

Super Laydock · Post by **Super Laydock** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:47 pm

Fuck it.... this looks nice enough for a dumbed down handheld version of this classic.
Some people complain too much.
I'd buy this for DS if it was commercial...

I wouldn't trade Judgement Silversword for it though...

Maybe someone with a wonderwitch dev kit could make this for the Wonderswan?:idea:

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:35 pm

My only doubt is whether or not he will continue the work on this - most homebrew projects die pretty early. But since this looks like a pretty ambitious project, thumbs up.

Obviously they won´t be able to do a full, proper port of the game, but I´ll take some free portable shmup action any day, and having sprite rips from RSG in it certainly helps.

Plasmo wrote:Wow this looks worse than anything I've ever seen.

Oh COME ON.

Alien Soldier · Post by **Alien Soldier** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:22 pm

What make Radiant Silvergun that good is the extremely polished level design. If you change it then it's not Radiant Silvergun anymore even though the graphic looks like it.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:33 pm

as if rsg wasn't bad enough already...

Hibou · Post by **Hibou** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:50 pm

Plasmo wrote: Wow this looks worse than anything I've ever seen.

Alien Soldier wrote:What make Radiant Silvergun that good is the extremely polished level design. If you change it then it's not Radiant Silvergun anymore even though the graphic looks like it.

Is this important ?

I don't remember anyone who has ever cared that Space Harrier for Amstrad CPC or Final Fight for C64 were far away from the original.

Homebrews are like demos. Devs do them only for the challenge, not to provide gamers and ROM kiddies free ports.

ED-057 · Post by **ED-057** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:04 am

you should know that the DS has a maximum of 4MB RAM

If you add up the Saturn's VDP1's framebuffers (256KB*2) and texture DRAM (512KB), VDP2's DRAM (512KB), main CPU's SDRAM (1MB) and DRAM (1MB), and the sound CPU's DRAM (512KB), the answer is...

The screenshots don't look bad IMO, but how would it be to play a shmup with a gap between the top and bottom halves of the screen?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:13 am

Cool! What a gigantic piece of shit!

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:58 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Cool! What a gigantic piece of shit!

Exactly. It doesn't help the dev to call it "Radiant Silvergun DS" either as that sets his audience's expectations astronomically high, and they will rip him to shreds even more when he releases the game and it turns out to suck.

M-KAI did not attempt to mimic the mechanics of RSG in any way, and he was creative and skilled enough to make one Hell of an awesome new game. However, I seriously doubt this effort will come remotely close to producing something of JSS' calibre though.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 7:30 am

Hibou wrote:I don't remember anyone who has ever cared that Space Harrier for Amstrad CPC or Final Fight for C64 were far away from the original.

Haha, old-school computer port players were like pigs in shit, weren't you? :D

Even so, Space Harrier is still Space Harrier with obstacles and enemies made up of lines. In fact it seems like a pretty good port; it's refreshing to see the relative size of things kept the same while the frame rate stays acceptable and without resorting to gigantic colored blocks.

Final Fight still looks like a fighting game (this is the C64 we're talking about), but it's not going to be the same without the same controls and moveset. U.S. Gold (more like Japanese Gold in this case) had a license, though, so they could've packed bean curd into Final Fight boxes and sold it if they had a license to do that, too.

"RSJ DS" seems more like Final Fight there, without a license. If it doesn't have the level design of the original, heck. At least it'll be good practice for the creator, I guess (perhaps not, since I just read it's using some game making library).

Etrian · Post by **Etrian** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:46 am

I'm really surprised that the DS is capable of handling this, especially considering RSG was one of the last Saturn games which was capable of emulating.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:54 am

Etrian wrote:I'm really surprised that the DS is capable of handling this, especially considering RSG was one of the last Saturn games which was capable of emulating.

lol did you watch the video?

don't answer, it's obvious enough :/

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:08 pm

Yay, enthusiasm!

At least this guy gets off his ass and does something; even if it turns out to be shit, it´s just homebrew anyways, it´s not like he came here and claimed to do a perfect port of it. (He should have picked a different title that "Radiant Silvergun DS", since this is exactly what makes people think this will be if they don´t read his post.)

Hibou wrote: Homebrews are like demos. Devs do them only for the challenge, not to provide gamers and ROM kiddies free ports.

This. Let´s not mix up the world of professional port development with one-man hobby projects here.

(Although homebrew programs like NitroTracker or DreamZZT blow 90% of the commercial DS releases out of the water.)

henry dark · Post by **henry dark** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:01 pm

While calling this 'Radiant Silvergun DS' is ridiculously arrogant, that these guys have the motivation and desire to do this kind of thing is fairly impressive.

Fenrir · Post by **Fenrir** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 1:47 pm

henry dark wrote:While calling this 'Radiant Silvergun DS' is ridiculously arrogant,

That's the problem here. But sooner or later they'll come across Treasure who will surely have their say about it.

But then again, the start looks promising. Preemptive bashing = not good.
But then again, this is shmups.com after all

the2bears · Post by **the2bears** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:10 pm

I'm not too surprised to see the 101st Chairborn sitting around complaining while someone else makes a game. Keep up the encouragement!

But yeah, he still shouldn't call is RSG

Bill

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:18 pm

the2bears wrote:I'm not too surprised to see the 101st Chairborn sitting around complaining while someone else makes a game.

Hi. :3

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:24 pm

hey someone go e-mail treasure and get this guy sued

the2bears · Post by **the2bears** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:17 pm

Udderdude wrote:
the2bears wrote:I'm not too surprised to see the 101st Chairborn sitting around complaining while someone else makes a game.
Hi. :3

Hi back... not sure what ':3' means, but I think at least your XOP Black thread had some good comments and discussion.

Bill

jpj · Post by **jpj** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:22 pm

Alien Soldier wrote:What make Radiant Silvergun that good is the extremely polished level design. If you change it then it's not Radiant Silvergun anymore even though the graphic looks like it.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:41 pm

see even RSG fans hate this game

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:49 pm

it cant get any worse than nanostray, so lets hope that this alpha version vomit gets some plastic surgery

Gungriffon Geona · Post by **Gungriffon Geona** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:55 pm

nanostray was fine you people whine too much.

elfhentaifan · Post by **elfhentaifan** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:24 am

the experience i did with nanostray was not so fine, but believin or not, due to nice memories back then i want this game back, even when i didnt have any fun with it

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:05 am

elfhentaifan wrote:the experience i did with nanostray was not so fine, but believin or not, due to nice memories back then i want this game back, even when i didnt have any fun with it

If I'm reading this right, it wasn't the game, it was the elf hookers!