Is there a more modern incarnation of the SEUCK?

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:17 pm

simple question, is there a nice easy program for creating shmups of your own??

if it was possible on the C64 then im guessing the idea has been updated??

ben

ill6 · Post by **ill6** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:23 pm

Yes - There was a "game" on Saturn... Its name escapes me.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:26 pm

Dezaemon.

http://lmnz.at.infoseek.co.jp/dezaemoners.htm

Tiny Phalanx was made with Dezaemon iirc. Ghegs might know better.

HardcoreOtaku · Post by **HardcoreOtaku** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:26 pm

DEZAEMON

nem · Post by **nem** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:27 pm

Look out for the Dezeamon line of games.

edit: laugh

HardcoreOtaku · Post by **HardcoreOtaku** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:28 pm

we must hit the post button nearly the same second

Post by **Ghegs** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:10 pm

Turrican wrote:Dezaemon.

http://lmnz.at.infoseek.co.jp/dezaemoners.htm

Tiny Phalanx was made with Dezaemon iirc. Ghegs might know better.

Erh, not really. I do have Tiny Phalanx but I don't recall ever hearing it was made with Dezaemon. It doesn't really look like it either. All the Dezaemon games I've seen have a certain similarity to them, or at least that's the impression I'm stuck with after going through all those fan-made games in the Dezaemon Kids! bonus disc...

Dezaemon's been released for many a console (NES, SNES, N64, Saturn, PS1 with two versions...) but none have been translated to english. Officially anyway, there are few fan-translations around for at least the NES and SNES versions.

There is some PC software sorta similar to the RPG Maker, but for shmups...I tried it out once but must've deleted it shortly afterwards. Don't even recall the name, sorry.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:15 pm

Shooter Maker. It should be very powerful, I've seen some impressive games made with it. But AFAIK, it never got translated. There was a half-translated version around, but even that was impossible to use without knowing japanese.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:26 pm

Ghegs wrote:Erh, not really. I do have Tiny Phalanx but I don't recall ever hearing it was made with Dezaemon. It doesn't really look like it either. All the Dezaemon games I've seen have a certain similarity to them, or at least that's the impression I'm stuck with after going through all those fan-made games in the Dezaemon Kids! bonus disc...

Dezaemon's been released for many a console (NES, SNES, N64, Saturn, PS1 with two versions...) but none have been translated to english. Officially anyway, there are few fan-translations around for at least the NES and SNES versions.

There is some PC software sorta similar to the RPG Maker, but for shmups...I tried it out once but must've deleted it shortly afterwards. Don't even recall the name, sorry.

My bad. I'm pretty sure that there was a commercially released shmup that had been created with Dezaemon... Snes' Biometal perhaps? Rob might know better.

Post by **Ghegs** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:33 pm

Turrican wrote:My bad. I'm pretty sure that there was a commercially released shmup that had been created with Dezaemon... Snes' Biometal perhaps? Rob might know better.

That seems to be it yeah, at least if we're to believe Destroy All Monster's page on the game. And why wouldn't we?

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:40 pm

Ghegs wrote:That seems to be it yeah, at least if we're to believe Destroy All Monster's page on the game. And why wouldn't we?

Wow, you were quick to find the source. I'm free to catch alzheimer - with you around, nothing is missed!

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:05 pm

Turrican wrote: My bad. I'm pretty sure that there was a commercially released shmup that had been created with Dezaemon... Snes' Biometal perhaps? Rob might know better.

The one made with a version of Dezaemon is actually the sequel, Biometal Gust (on the Saturn Dezaemon 2). Dezaemon on the SNES has Daioh Gale for its included game AFAIR.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:36 pm

What about this one ?

http://www.shootemupcreator.com/

From the screens it looks very much like a commercialized version of what Gunnar posted quite some time ago...

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.ph ... nstruction

Has anyone ever tried it ?

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:45 pm

I have a question about Dezaemon, while we're here. Who tried it? Who successfully completed one shmup on it? And, most important of all, how much user-friendly it is for a person who doesn't read Japanese?

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:51 pm

the dezaemon series' are very powerful. in particular the later incarnations on the Ps1 and saturn.

i have the saturn Dezaemon 2, and have been able to do some very interesting things with it. it should be noted though that the user interface is almost entirely text, so the non japanese literate (like me

) are in for an uphill battle).

dezaemon kids is the one to get, or so i hear. the menus are supposed to be much more intuitive, and the original printing of the game came with an extra disc of 100 fan made games from the previous Ps1 iteration, Daezemon +.

p.s.
anyone know if that video for "Retro Engine" (the psikyo like contest winner from Dezaemon +) is still being hosted anywhere? i think i got it from that japanese file trading site (can't even remember what it was called anymore

).

Turrican wrote:I have a question about Dezaemon, while we're here. Who tried it? Who successfully completed one shmup on it? And, most important of all, how much user-friendly it is for a person who doesn't read Japanese?

to answer turrican's question in a more directed way. i have Dezaemon 2 (least friendly of the bunch), and even with japanese knowledge, production is still possible.

the key for me was to play the packaged games over and over, until i understood where different bullet patterns, effects, and so on happen. and then going into the editor and exploring the menus and seeing how everything was put together.

also, i suggest anyone looking to do anything with the saturn version, pick up the net connect mouse. it streamlines the process a great deal.

and sadly i think the cartridge port on my white saturn died. so i basically won't be able to continue the project i was working on (character based shooter).

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:05 pm

gameoverDude wrote:Biometal Gust (on the Saturn Dezaemon 2). Dezaemon on the SNES has Daioh Gale for its included game AFAIR.

Are these official games by the companies or teams behind the original Biometal & Daioh? Sounds interesting.

Skyline · Post by **Skyline** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 12:09 am

All done by Athena. I actually like Daioh Gale better than the original, for some odd reason. Played the crap out of it for a long while.

Post by **Ghegs** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:52 am

Fudoh wrote:What about this one ?

http://www.shootemupcreator.com/

Heh, all the screenshots from games look disappointing, while the GUI for the constructor itself doesn't look all that horrible. Still, there needs to be a demo for it.

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:55 am

Can you spot the DDP bullets? >_>

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:05 am

Skyline wrote:All done by Athena. I actually like Daioh Gale better than the original, for some odd reason. Played the crap out of it for a long while.

Sweet, I should go check 'em out.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:06 pm

Udderdude wrote:

Can you spot the DDP bullets? >_>

It's not just DDP. You can see graphics from 1944, Omega Fighter, Uridium 2, Battle Squadron, Xenon 2 and probably more. The guy behind this certainly was an Amiga fan

Udderdude · Post by **Udderdude** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:31 pm

Shatterhand wrote:It's not just DDP. You can see graphics from 1944, Omega Fighter, Uridium 2, Battle Squadron, Xenon 2 and probably more. The guy behind this certainly was an Amiga fan

Ahh, I haven't played enough Amiga shmups to recodnise any of those

Post by **spadgy** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:42 pm

I had the Amiga Shoot-'em-up Construction Kit (Rather than Kreator). Are they the same thing?

I was 14 so all I did was make a shmup based on genitals. It was really easy to use but I think pretty limited.

Perhaps it exists for an Amiga emulator...

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:51 pm

Seuck on C64 and Amiga was made, AFAIK, by Sensible Software. So no, this PC thing isn't the same thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if it worked more or less the same way.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:33 pm

@cap'n ahar: thanks for the very informative post. I'm positively curious about Dezaemon, I'll try to hunt one down.

Post by **spadgy** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:14 pm

Turrican wrote:@cap'n ahar: thanks for the very informative post. I'm positively curious about Dezaemon, I'll try to hunt one down.

I believe bleem is selling one in the trading forums as we speak. Nobody's nabbed it yet...

Edit: Actually put the seller's name (bleem) in, rather than just leaving a blank!

And here's the thread:

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=18937

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:11 pm

i need dezaemon kids real bad. that bonus disc would provide hours of amateur fun. not to mention the total compatibility of the game saves with the ps1 memory card. oh one can dream, but that shit seems real rare!

Post by **Ghegs** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:19 pm

captain ahar wrote:i need dezaemon kids real bad. that bonus disc would provide hours of amateur fun. not to mention the total compatibility of the game saves with the ps1 memory card. oh one can dream, but that shit seems real rare!

Well, they're most definitely amateur games.

I was hoping to find some hidden gems in there, and while some of the games are indeed quite good (I'm planning to do sort of a game-by-game review of the bonus disc eventually), some are really, really bad. And some are just really, really weird.

But yeah, if you can find it, it's pretty interesting stuff. Especially some of the extra stuff the game creators had submitted...detailed stories and concept artwork for their games, for example.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:35 pm

i've always been a big fan of athena. they make a lot of game making tools, and as a result they give away lots of games, sometimes very decent ones, to advertise those products. go team!

mr_m0nks · Post by **mr_m0nks** » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:36 pm

thanks guys, quite a few there for me too look up.

ben