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Ceph wrote:
MR_Soren wrote:your opinion does not shape reality.
And yours does?

I didn't quit because I had become disgruntled or had started to hate Magic or anything like that, but because I decided for myself that it was time to do so, and I wasn't the only one. It's been several years since I quit, and yes, I think the distance I now have allows for a somewhat unbiased view.

And if you currently can't (or won't) acknowledge the obvious flaws of Magic, then I cannot but think that you lack said distance. Sorry if you feel like I stepped on your toes.

I'm not trying to state my opinions as fact.

I think its ridiculous to label intentional game structure/design decisions as flaws. A thought-out and intentional decision you disagree with is not a flaw. Your authoritative and arrogant tone in stating that is as irritating as reading a shmup review that cites "flaws" like one-hit kills, short length, high difficulty, and other things that make the game what it is.

I quit Magic for three years and said some of the things you were saying for a while. However, after getting the game out of my head and re-examining it with a fresh perspective, I was able to see why they were handling the game the way they were. Yes, it does result in them constantly selling new cards to make more money. It also results in a fresh and ever-changing game for the players. It also results in jobs for a bunch of designers, artists, writers, developers, and marketing people. It's a win-win-win situation.

Your desire for Magic to be a non-collectible one-time purchase would result in the game's death in less than two years. It would be like trying to sell a video game console with five built-in games that could never play anything new. It might seem fun at first, but people would eventually lose interest and stop playing.

Not all people like how Magic is set up. That's fair, but that does not make it a flaw.
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unsane wrote:
Davey wrote:but eventually we just stocked up on good cards and didn't change our decks anymore, so it got old.

Dude, you need to look into limited formats, like booster draft, Cube... With cycle rotation the infinite variety never gets old. It's way cheaper than Type 1/Type 2/constructed, to boot.
I always wanted to try out a sealed deck tournament back when I played the game, but there weren't any in my area, at least that I knew of (just a couple Type 2 tournaments at the local library).
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Ceph wrote:This (suggesting to play Magic using only common cards) sounds like advising people to only use "some" heroin. I don't think anyone will have the willpower to exclusively play Magic like this, instead of falling victim to the money sink that Magic is designed to be.

Well, i have the willpower. You evidently don't. That's 1 per side so far in our little survey. Anyways, more importantly, have you ever played anything but Type 1 in your life? Belittling commons smacks of someone who's never played Cube/draft/mental magic, for one thing.
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I play when I can.

When I was in texas, I used to go to FNM weekly. I had a quite killer was type 2 Ravnica block deck.

I have a 1.5 deck that just owns face. Reanimate in which I can play several ways possible. Some using the white Akroma, some using recurring nightmare and the dragons from Kamigawa (one sided stasis cycling with Yosei, the very sick life drain from Kokusho, to making an akroma HUGE with Jugen). I also use Buried alive. Its a very, very fast deck.
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unsane wrote: Well, i have the willpower. You evidently don't.
Well, I had the willpower to stop spending money on trading cards alltogether. You evidently don't.
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magic is dumb....
Damn Tim, you know there are quite a few Americans out there who still lives in tents due to this shitty economy, and you're dropping loads on a single game which only last 20 min. Do you think it's fair? How much did you spend this time?
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Strider77 wrote:magic is dumb....
RegalSin wrote:Videogames took my life away like the Natives during colonial times.
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Ceph wrote: Well, I had the willpower to stop spending money on trading cards alltogether. You evidently don't.
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Ceph wrote:
unsane wrote: Well, i have the willpower. You evidently don't.
Well, I had the willpower to stop spending money on trading cards alltogether. You evidently don't.
Oh, yeah! Well, I have the willpower to not spend any more money anything fun, because I'm afraid I might get addicted!
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It is rather humorous hearing video game players bitch about Magic being too expensive.
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Strider77 wrote:magic is dumb....
Thanks for coming out. I'll remember to shit in the next thread you make. :wink:
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Ceph wrote:Well, I had the willpower to stop spending money on trading cards alltogether. You evidently don't.

I neglected to mention that i haven't played mtg in over a year. Though i'm unsure if that means i'm safe from the almighty addiction you're crusading against.

I also neglected to mention that i've turned a net profit for the last 8 years i've been playing mtg (basically ever since i stopped driving cross-country to live tournaments). Though i'm unsure if that means i'm safe from the almighty moneysink you're crusading against.

Anyways, more importantly, you didn't answer my question about Type 1. Have you played any sane formats? Type 1 is indeed a huge moneysink.
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Something I want to add that has been nagging me since I came back into the fold.

What really annoys is how unpredictable the market in prices for Magic is. For example, cards like Sea Drake and Grim Tutor, while obviously very good in their own rights were only a couple years ago worthless. Now, suddenly the prices skyrocket to absurd values.

Obviously a lot of discontent arises from the money losing aspect. I can definitely say I've never made any profit from Magic and I don't foresee it ever happening unless I call it quits permanently and purge the lot.

It doesn't help local resale is good kick up the ass in terms of return compared to what buying locally will cost you.

In the end, there isn't anything that can be done to calm my irritation with the Magic market, so yeah, price guides and rarities can go gobble some cock.
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Limbrooke wrote:Something I want to add that has been nagging me since I came back into the fold.

Yeah because they print new stuff all the time, the constructed deck metagames fluctuate widely, which results in constant change of market values of everything. It's very challenging for investors because it's hard-impossible to predict what will go up and what will go down. Also even the most basic thing with very solid value (like the new dual lands) would suddenly plummet in value if they reprint them in 11th edition or whatnot.
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money the wasting ahurrrrr
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