Cave shmups coming to X360 confirmed!

cody · Post by **cody** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:53 pm

bloodflowers wrote: 2) There's nothing you can do about it.

Sure there is. You can change the region on your 360 (not that I think this is a good idea), and you can modify your joysticks to comply with microsoft's intentionally broken USB HID implementation. Gee, wonder who posted specific info on how to do both of those things?

List the 'modern' shmups coming to the PS3. Actually, try to think of even one.

Everyday shooter is more modern and interesting (imho) than anything available on XBL currently. The future is another story . . .

They're the ones who sue exporters into the ground for selling games on their "region free" consoles.

Name me one exporter that has been sued into the ground for selling GAMES. Lik-sang was sued into the ground for selling hardware and modchips.

They're the ones who got even /owning/ a modchip made illegal in parts of Europe.

Source? Something tells me it was probably the courts, not sony, making anything illegal. Even if this was true, good. Modchips should be illegal if all they are useful for is pirating software, not defeating (nonexistent) region locks.

They're the ones who thought it was acceptable to put a root kit on customers PCs.

SCEI has about as much relation to Sony BMG as I do to you.

Why are you guys giving Sony such an easy ride though?

Bottom line? The PS3 sitting in my living room hasnt broken, is extremely quiet, and will play pretty much whatever I want to put in it. The 360 sitting in my living room is a replacement for the first one that was defective out of the box, still sounds like a fucking jet engine, and will require major surgery if i want to play ketsui on it.

jpolz · Post by **jpolz** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:23 pm

Oh for fucks sake....

Necronom · Post by **Necronom** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:38 pm

"Something tells me it was probably the courts, not sony, making anything illegal. Even if this was true, good. Modchips should be illegal if all they are useful for is pirating software, not defeating (nonexistent) region locks."

Without Sony's constant legal efforts to make them illegal the courts wouldn't have decided that way. Many German retailers selling modded PS2s that DO defeat region locks still have a hard time with Sony's bloodsucking breed of lawyers.

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:39 pm

yojo! wrote: Who cares about Europe anyway ?

A rough guess: Europeans. There are one, maybe even two of them on this forum.

bloodflowers wrote:The games will probably just run on top of an emulation layer. Tell me which system is easiest to write emulation layers for? The almost completely alien PS3, the underpowered Wii (I'm sure it could easily run a native port, an emulation? Doubtful), or a moderately powerful PC in a box? Oh snap - PC wins.

Best argument so far.

jp · Post by jp » Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:42 pm

jpolz wrote:Oh for fucks sake....

Indeed.

Some folks are just dense like that yo.

cody · Post by **cody** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:28 pm

FrederikJurk wrote:
bloodflowers wrote: a moderately powerful PC in a box? Oh snap - PC wins.
Best argument so far.

yeah, that would be a great argument if it had any basis in reality.

Ketsui - motorola 68000 series
PC - legacy x86 architecture
xbox360 - triple core PPC

Yup, xbox360 sure is just a moderately powerful PC in a box. Except it isnt. Architecture has pretty much nothing to do with this. Microsoft has better developer tools (for some value of "better"), that's all.

jp wrote:Some folks are just dense like that yo.

Right, which is why they write flame-bait posts that expose a complete lack of understanding of statistics, computers, and / or the law, then act as if I'm the one derailing the thread when I call them out on it.

Necronom wrote:modded PS2s that DO defeat region locks

I'll be the first to say that region coding on PS2s is stupid, and that I'm glad it's easy to defeat.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:50 pm

So how 'bout them cave games huh? I hear they're quite popular among fans of helicopters and girls in frilly dresses.

jp · Post by jp » Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:58 pm

Cave? What is this Cave you speak of? Where am I?

I think I stumbled into the neo-geo.com War Room. My bad.

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:12 pm

I heard they're shooting games, so I guess its like Quake or Halo.

jp · Post by jp » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:36 pm

Oh OK, cool. I really needed more FP$s for my FP$360 made by M$. But I hate them.

Rah!

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:56 pm

cody wrote:
bloodflowers wrote: 2) There's nothing you can do about it.
Sure there is. You can change the region on your 360 (not that I think this is a good idea), and you can modify your joysticks to comply with microsoft's intentionally broken USB HID implementation. Gee, wonder who posted specific info on how to do both of those things?

How do either of those change the fact that the games are being released on the Xbox? You totally missed his point.

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:07 pm

Bullet wrote:
Kron wrote:You seem to be phenominally naive, Microsoft only repair the 3 Red Ring error free of charge, I've had 4 360's fail in the space of just over 2 years and the fourth one failed with a video display problem which isn't redringed so I'm stuck without a console or will have to pay a rediculous repair fee for their shoddy hardware.

So yeah, Quite alot of people who are sick of the hardware currently give a fuck.
i really dont care. they should keep that hate for the MS call center.

Also, dont sho us how much you are frustrated

HAHAHAHA!

"Hey you, don't come into my thread with objective, real world comments that show I'm wrong - you should keep them to yourself and not tell me how you don't like the product I'm trying to defend because it failed on you repeatedly and now you are out of pocket because of the manufacturer's enormous cock-up".

Pure, unadulterated gold. Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.

Love or loathe Microsoft, the 360 is notoriously crap. Failures happen at a ludicrously high rate. Saying this doesn't immediately make all other consoles not crap, nor does it make other console manufacturers any better. Yes, Sony have made entire batches of PS2 consoles with epic rates of laser failure. I own a Wii and had to have it replaced under warranty 10 months after purchase because the thing just stopped booting one day. So what? The 360 *still* blows goats in terms of reliability - finding other consoles that fail doesn't magically make it stop sucking. Getting all fanboi about it doesn't help anyone. You're allowed to like the console and games library and still admit the global rate of device failure is unacceptable. Nobody will take away your "MS Lovers Fanclub" badge if you do.

And none of that will stop my buying one if I can get Ketsui to run on a PAL 360 without modification (either through native local release, or region free Japanese release).

People need to separate their feelings about consoles, manufacturers and games libraries. I personally think Sony are a bunch of pricks, but bought both a PS1 and PS2 because games that I wanted to play were consistently released on those platforms. And again, as much as I hate both Microsoft and the XBox 360 (each for different reasons), I will buy the console if the games I want to play are released on the platform for a reasonable price. Pragmatism wins over fanboism any day of the week.

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Yeah, and Bloodflowers' post above FTW.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:21 pm

FYI, the thread about the ports is now here: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=19021
Please continue discussing the level of crappiness of Xbox 360 in the current thread and refrain from doing so in the new thread.

zero.otaku · Post by **zero.otaku** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:22 pm

bloodflowers wrote: I've had five die on me so far... I also had a couple of PS2s die, one of my Saturns stopped reading discs, I had 1 PS1 do the same thing, and I'm on my second DS due to a screen problem. I even saw a PC Engine die once.

Let me guess, they all "fell down the stairs," huh? Reported to social services.

orange · Post by **orange** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:24 pm

i think it needs to be thrown out there that arena shooters are fucking awful and i'd rather hit my dick with 10 hammers than play one

Tempest · Post by **Tempest** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:46 pm

Don't mind me, I'll just be putting these up all around the forum.

PPA · Post by **PPA** » Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:58 pm

Ceph wrote:
Bullet wrote:cheaper than making a trip there isnt it?

But i am lucky, know some japanese guys
You paying for the additional costs certainly is cheaper
Is that offer only valid for me or for everyone here?

Alright then, for starters, would you mind paypal-ing me the amount needed for shipping/fees/customs? Please pm me about the details, like the contact info of those Japanese guys who'll buy it and ship it to me.

you dont get me. They just come here by time to time since they work between jap and eu.

so i can ask them to bring me what i need/want...

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:55 am

Interesting how quickly the 360s on Play-Asia are getting snatched up since the news of a Ketsui release.

Strider77 · Post by **Strider77** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 10:10 am

Why are you guys giving Sony such an easy ride though? They're the ones who sue exporters into the ground for selling games on their "region free" consoles. They're the ones who got even /owning/ a modchip made illegal in parts of Europe. They're the ones who thought it was acceptable to put a root kit on customers PCs.

it's called PS fanboyism. like I said it's the worst kind. all others do massive wrong except sony. they have done nothing crummy.

they are all out for cash... none have been perfect in their actions through out their years. I just hate the one way street attitude folks have.

slateman · Post by **slateman** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:16 pm

Brutal thread!

Didn't we all wish for a Ketsui port for the past..uh...6 years? Now that we have one we have 15 pages of bitchslapping about the hardware it finally arrives on?

I dunno if I'll get to play it or not, but it's my best chance. My first 360 died and the replacement will die (it's already acting up). Oh well. At least I *MAY* get to play it, unlike the past 5 years when I knew I would *NEVER* get to play it (barring MAME in umpteen years).

It's something and I'll hold on to that. I'd prefer it on the PS3 for several reasons (prolly b/c I'm a fanboi, right?!), but whatever. Just lemme play it!

And, a reasonable comment here...I played Ikaruga on the DC this morning, first time in a while and I hate the DC's digital pad. I always used a PS1-DC adapter. I would like Ketsui/DDP on the PS3 b/c the digital pad is more responsive, IMO. Now *that* is a legitimate reason to prefer a game on another platform, no?

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 9:22 pm

slateman wrote:And, a reasonable comment here...I played Ikaruga on the DC this morning, first time in a while and I hate the DC's digital pad. I always used a PS1-DC adapter. I would like Ketsui/DDP on the PS3 b/c the digital pad is more responsive, IMO. Now *that* is a legitimate reason to prefer a game on another platform, no?

All these pads suck, so that's not much of an argument in favor of PS3. However, there is a PS2 > PS3 controller adaptor and a wealth of good PS2 controllers. That is a good reason for wanting it on the PS3 over 360, additional to region-free considerations.

Elixir` · Post by **Elixir`** » Sat Mar 08, 2008 11:48 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:hi

hi there.

not much has changed in three years it seems.

KNTain · Post by **KNTain** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 12:15 am

People need to separate their feelings about consoles, manufacturers and games libraries.

This. It's actually really, really easy to do.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:09 am

only if you're over 17, and have gotten laid.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 3:14 am

pixelcorps wrote:only if you're over 17, and have gotten laid.

What if you've done one but not the other?

I'll leave it to the audience to divine which may be true about me

(but as always I will leave open an invitation of assistance

NTSC-J · Post by **NTSC-J** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:06 am

jp · Post by jp » Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:06 am

Pssssh! If this was going to get locked it would've been so like, 7 pages ago.

nem · Post by **nem** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:04 am

If anything, the other dupe thread should be locked.

bcass · Post by **bcass** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:49 am

professor ganson wrote:All these pads suck, so that's not much of an argument in favor of PS3. However, there is a PS2 > PS3 controller adaptor and a wealth of good PS2 controllers. That is a good reason for wanting it on the PS3 over 360, additional to region-free considerations.

I don't have any problems using the 360 d-pad for any of the XBLA games that let you use it. It really isn't as bad as people are making out. It's nowhere near as bad as the PSP d-pad. The 360 pad has had a minor revision since release and they definitely improved the d-pad with the newer version.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:10 am

I have a question: Is there a new hardware revision of Xbox 360 where the reliabilty issues have been solved?