R-Type PCB...did I pay too much?

maxlords · Post by **maxlords** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:32 pm

I just picked up a Nintendo R-Type PCB tested and working from a guy online for $40 + shipping. It's got the JAMMA sound mod on it so the sound works properly. Is that a reasonable price? It seemed ok to me but I never see the game for sale, so I figured what the heck.

Shion · Post by **Shion** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 7:48 pm

40 dollars for a shmup classic, I can't see how that wouldn't be a fair price.

It's for sale for 265 USD at coinopexpress.com, so you should consider yourself lucky

maxlords · Post by **maxlords** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:46 pm

O_O $265??? Yeesh...didn't think I got that good of deal....though I suspect coin-op is a bit high

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:47 pm

Nintendo, as in PlayChoice-10?

I dunno, that seems about right. I've paid more for console games, after all.

JAMMA modded too...didn't know that was possible. Don't you just stick these in a PC-10 system?

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 8:57 pm

There wasn't a PC-10 R-Type

Mortificator · Post by **Mortificator** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:33 pm

Nintendo published the arcade game in the U.S.

Nice deal.

maxlords · Post by **maxlords** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:47 pm

Heh, yeah Ed, not PC-10, a full board. Nintendo release R-Type in the US in one of those Nintendo classic cabs...same style of cab as Donkey Kong or Popeye.

Aleanil · Post by **Aleanil** » Sat Mar 01, 2008 11:28 pm

Yeah, is a full board... big ol' honking huge thing too. I have a dedicated R-type cab (though it spends most of its time running mars matrix ^^). $40 for the PCB is an excellent deal, especially with the sound fix.

Incidentally, R-Type is a fully JAMMA compliant board, excepting for the sound. I didn't have to modify the wiring at all in my R-Type cab to run CPS-2 (Mars Matrix) - video and controls are fine, just no sound (so I hooked up a set of stereo speakers. Who wants mono anyway?).

But yeah... great deal on a classic shmup

Post by **undamned** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:20 pm

maxlords wrote:...though I suspect coin-op is a bit high

Yes, coin-op is king of high prices, as far as large scale on-line pcb sales.
-ud

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:24 pm

This thread is just confusing. Is this an original R-Type PCB or not? The real thing is quite pricey, going by Fujita. I've been thinking about saving up for one myself.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:56 pm

Aleanil wrote:Incidentally, R-Type is a fully JAMMA compliant board, excepting for the sound. I didn't have to modify the wiring at all in my R-Type cab to run CPS-2 (Mars Matrix) - video and controls are fine, just no sound (so I hooked up a set of stereo speakers. Who wants mono anyway?).

But yeah... great deal on a classic shmup

R-Type is JAMMA compliant, if you had to change the sound you don't have a JAMMA compliant cabinet.

rtw

Post by **undamned** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:00 pm

professor ganson wrote:This thread is just confusing. Is this an original R-Type PCB or not? The real thing is quite pricey, going by Fujita. I've been thinking about saving up for one myself.

For some reason, certain boards go for a lot in Japan. For example Final Fight might go for $150 over there, where as they can be had on ebay in the $50-60 range. Go figure.
-ud

Aleanil · Post by **Aleanil** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:05 pm

rtw wrote: R-Type is JAMMA compliant, if you had to change the sound you don't have a JAMMA compliant cabinet.

rtw

Actually, R-Type does have problems outputting sound to a regular JAMMA cabinet. This page gives you the steps to convert it to work. As my cab is an original Nintendo dedicated R-Type cabinet, my R-Type works fine in it (though Mars Matrix and other JAMMA boards have no sound, thus my set of speakers that live on top of my cab). Perhaps this only applies to the US version of the PCB or something, but I know it holds true for me.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:16 pm

Aleanil wrote:Actually, R-Type does have problems outputting sound to a regular JAMMA cabinet. This page gives you the steps to convert it to work. As my cab is an original Nintendo dedicated R-Type cabinet, my R-Type works fine in it (though Mars Matrix and other JAMMA boards have no sound, thus my set of speakers that live on top of my cab). Perhaps this only applies to the US version of the PCB or something, but I know it holds true for me.

Interesting, I have the JP PCB and it plugs straight into my JAMMA loom with sound and everything. Do you have a picture of your PCB ?

Those capacitor changes, did you have to do them on the PCB itself or in the cab ?

rtw

Aleanil · Post by **Aleanil** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 8:27 pm

Those capacitor changes are for the board itself. I'm afraid I didn't get any pics of my PCB during my disassembly and cleaning of my R-Type cab, I only took outer photos - and now the cab is kinda in a place where I can't easily open it up to take pics.

That's really interesting that your JP version works fine in a JAMMA cab w/o the modification. Wish I had another cab to test my unmodified (at least, I'm pretty sure it's unmodified... I got the cab from a fairly clueless guy, but *some* previous owner had been pretty savvy as they had replaced one of the fire buttons on the CP with a Sanwa button instead of the original leaf style) PCB in and see if the sound would work or not. Based on what I had read before, that capacitor modification was required for all R-Type boards, but that's obviously not true.

maxlords · Post by **maxlords** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:47 pm

professor ganson wrote:This thread is just confusing. Is this an original R-Type PCB or not? The real thing is quite pricey, going by Fujita. I've been thinking about saving up for one myself.

Yeah, a legit US release R-Type board

Sorry for the confusion!

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 9:59 pm

maxlords wrote:
professor ganson wrote:This thread is just confusing. Is this an original R-Type PCB or not? The real thing is quite pricey, going by Fujita. I've been thinking about saving up for one myself.
Yeah, a legit US release R-Type board Sorry for the confusion!

Nice find! I guess I'll be patient and see if I can do better than the price at Fujita.

rtw · Post by **rtw** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:29 pm

Had a look at the schematics. The capacitor mods which have been done:

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1: Remove the jumper wire from position C108 (+) to C102 (-)
2: Add C101 and C102. Both are 2200 microfarad electrolytic capacitors, rated at 16 WVDC, (DC Working Volts) and radial type.
3: Add C108, 1 microfarad electrolytic capacitor, 50 WVDC, radial leads.

Looks like they removed the amplification stage from the PCB. May I ask how you adjust the volume on this cabinet ? Is there an external amp ?

Even though the PCB is JAMMA the cabinet is not. It goes through two FCC connection boards. Into two different harnesses labeled 44P FCC & 36P FCC. See page 10 of the manual for details.

rtw

Aleanil · Post by **Aleanil** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 10:40 pm

Ah, *that* clears things up very nicely! This is my only cabinet, so I thought that the two harnesses coming off of the JAMMA connector was an odd, but not unknown and not non-standard thing.

I actually don't recall how to adjust the volume - I only ran R-Type for about two weeks before I put in Mars Matrix (which required bypassing the sound and using external speakers). I think there may have been a knob up by the speaker inside. I'll take a look when I get home from work.

Post by **system11** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 9:03 am

I keep feeling like killing people when I read about R-Type not being JAMMA. All R-Type boards are JAMMA when they left the factory. I've owned a great deal of them, and a great deal of M-72 games which were conversions or had donor mainboards from R-Types. The motherboards are identical to every other M-72 based game, all of which people are happy to accept as JAMMA, because they are.

If there are any boards out there which are not JAMMA compliant, then it's because somebody modified them, probably Nintendo.