Cave's Next

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:01 pm

Herr Schatten wrote:What's on the last page of the booklet of the MMP OST? They sold that one, too, at the Cave fest, didn't they?

Oh, I got that one right here. There's a picture of Master Chief with a '4' over him.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:27 pm

sven666 wrote:my moneys on a guwange-like game (not a sequel as such), looks like jun has definetly found his way back tho and it feels like a pretty safe bet that he will be doing the art for whatever it is.

as much as id love a Dodonpach 5 i dont really want a new one untill Cave make the leap to high-res.. the series is already so refined i think it would need something like that to feel fresh.

Since Dodonpachi-DOJ is already referred by Cave as "Donpachi Episode 4", then such a high-resolution Dodonpachi V PCB would make logical sense. One realizes that it would be Cave's first venture into high-res arcade shmups if they choose to do so with that format.

And is the current Cave SH-3 type PCB capable of such high-res 640 x 480 mode? (Perhaps, another all-new arcade PCB motherboard built from the ground up to pull off that high-res mode...means spending more yen to do so = resulting in higher PCB kit price factor upon intial release on day one.)

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:45 pm

hi res DOJ sequel

I would stab an old lady right in the heart for this.

lmn4096 · Post by **lmn4096** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:57 pm

Hi there

I'm the one who launched the subject on the french forum.

And my thought was that Inoue, in his interview, said that he would not have free time because he will start soon a new contract for a manga that will not be monthly (could be weekly ?).

Well if he has no time for a shmup, I beleive it would exclude games from his franchise, no ?

and the Kakjiku was clear...
...I know, it's too blatent.

But lately Cave did not go in complicate things. they go for the easy way, with simple marketing like lolicon gothloli and so on ...

that's why I wrote the next Cave could be DDP, but again it's just a rumor.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:11 pm

icycalm wrote:
Herr Schatten wrote:What's on the last page of the booklet of the MMP OST? They sold that one, too, at the Cave fest, didn't they?
Oh, I got that one right here. There's a picture of Master Chief with a '4' over him.

masterful suspense.. really.

Post by **undamned** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:14 pm

sven666 wrote:as much as id love a Dodonpach 5 i dont really want a new one untill Cave make the leap to high-res.. the series is already so refined i think it would need something like that to feel fresh.

Is Cave's hw still PGM based? I don't know if it supports high-res, but the PGM2 is now a reality. Oriental Legend 2 runs on it.

( http://page10.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/m51690111 )
-ud

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:22 pm

Then if the PGM2 hardware's already done which has high-res option mode, then it would be up to Cave to develope such a high-res arcade shmup title for it...sounds very intriging for the next high-profile Cave arcade shmup release -- will be worth the wait! ^_~

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:28 pm

I hope so for your sake, because you'll be waiting for the rest of eternity.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:30 pm

the PGM2 does not support high res, its obsolete even before its been properly released imo

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:34 pm

IGS are OLD SKOOL to the MAX

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:36 pm

Thanks for heads up of the PGM2 hardware not being high-res...

Cave would have to create a new PCB to output it's future arcade titles in high-res then... ^_~

Or they could just release their newest arcade game offering on the tried & true SH-3 hardware as usual..... ^_~

Macaw · Post by **Macaw** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:37 pm

PC Engine Fan X! wrote:Cave would have to create a new PCB to output it's future arcade titles in high-res then..... ^_~

Cave are just too OLD SKOOL to ever make a high res game.

Dragon1952 · Post by **Dragon1952** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:39 pm

I would say that you are suffering from too much wishful thinking if you believe that CAVE will go "hi-res"! Just my opinion though....

Obviously, they are still going to continue to make shooters for their captive audience, but to move to high-res means a lot of new expenses to take on.

A new hardware system and all new software development tools and prioritary art applications are going to be required and will cost money that will have to be recovered on the very first effort, as that is their way! In fact, the very first batch sold... It will also require that operators in Japan will have to upgrade to med-to-hi-res cabinets.

Why should they change if it isn't yet neccesary? Apparently their core audience still loves their capabilities using their current SH-3 based hardware and it's beautiful "low-res" presentation.

PC Engine Fan X! · Post by **PC Engine Fan X!** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:46 pm

For Dragon1952,

Your points are valid...I'm sure Cave has thought about making the switch to high-res games in their usual brain-storming group discussions about the next arcade game to develope but seems quite comfortable with the current SH-3 platform for the foreseeable future. Why not milk the SH-3 PCB setup for what it's worth?

It must of been quite an expensive ordeal to come up with the current SH-3 platform in the first place for Cave... ^_~

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:53 pm

I don't like words like 'captive' and 'milk' used in this context. They imply a predatory attitude on the part of Cave, an implication that is highly unwarranted. Cave is not Squeenix, after all. They live and die by the quality of their games, and Lord knows quality has been through the roof since the beginning.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 10:57 pm

lol he means there's little incentive to switch to other hardware atm

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:04 pm

Yes, we all know what he means. Now try figuring out what I meant before replying to me.

Dragon1952 · Post by **Dragon1952** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:20 pm

My use of "captive" implies a "fanatical" audience, not any other meaning....

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:29 pm

Context usually includes the points the author's making too LOL

oh well who cares

MX7 · Post by **MX7** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:36 pm

In after Icycalm.

Also feudal DoDonpachi prequel? A proto-pachi? I'm going to go out on a limb and say 'yes'.

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:54 pm

shoe-sama wrote:Context usually includes the points the author's making too LOL

oh well who cares

Obviously you do, because you've already made two posts about it. So let me help you with understanding what's going on here.

I was not trying to contest Dragon1952's or PCE Fan's assertions. I was only objecting to the words they used to make them.

Do you understand now? It's an issue of semantics. The words they used have negative connotations -- when you say that someone is "milking" something, you are indirectly criticizing them. So Squeenix may be milking the FF franchise because all they do is make shitty games with it in order to make money, but Cave is not milking any of their franchises because they put a lot of thought and soul into each of their releases.

et cetera et cetera

markedkiller78 · Post by **markedkiller78** » Sat Jan 05, 2008 11:54 pm

icycalm wrote:Either that or it's a game about anorexic chicks. Could be a Muchi Muchi Pork sequel, only for those with a thin-girl fetish.

LOL. I wonder what the cuddle pillow will look like? A broom handle with a ballon for a head?

Dragon1952 · Post by **Dragon1952** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:21 am

Icycalm....

Captivation is not a negative assertion....

If I am captivated by a woman or a new Cave game it does not imply negative feelings.... it means that I am under a spell or enthralled by that object of by affection!

icycalm · Post by **icycalm** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:34 am

Fair enough, I understood your meaning after your first clarification. That's why in my second post I focused on the 'milking'.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:45 am

We need HD Cave game on new arcade hardware

1280x720 of pure bullet hell. SEXY.

Dragon1952 · Post by **Dragon1952** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:53 am

A new CAVE game in HD on new hardware would be great only if it were a new "line" of product. Not replacing the current SH-3 low-res stuff that I love so much! If only I could afford all of it on pcb!

One day old dragon...one day yet to come!

I love this place.....!

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:42 am

I'm the one who launched the subject on the french forum.

Did I meet you at the show by any chance?

It's also worth noting that Inoue did the poster design of DOJ, and nothing else. So, they could've very well hired him for a concept image only. Who knows. At least we have *something* to go on... unlike the very unlikely (eg: high res).

EDIT: What the hell happened to the Cave 2ch thread? You'd figure they'd be yapping about it there.

And, the last page of the MMP OST has MMP stuff.

lmn4096 · Post by **lmn4096** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 9:42 am

GaijinPunch wrote: Did I meet you at the show by any chance?

No, I didn't went there, it would be nice to meet you one day.

my last trip to Japan was last September and I missed the matsuri by 2 days.

GaijinPunch wrote: As for that "hint" at the show, like a dumb ass, I didn't bother looking in the OST. Last page of the Guwange/ESPRade CD... low and behold:

It's not Guwange. It is written in pretty oldish Japanese, and is hand written which stings a little more. From a once over, it seems like a love story. Thoughts?

it is not really old japanese writing, but more broken japanese vocal song there

(thanks to the help of my wife on this one...)

In fact, this is the third track(or stage) song of the OST.

Inoue wrote on his page that he wanted the singer of death smiles to work for the third stage vocal version of the Guwange CD.

He also wrote that Death Smiles is(was) his latest game work with Cave.

Inoue's webpage here:
http://www5.airnet.ne.jp/jokerjun/cavematsuri.htm

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:55 am

Interesting stuff lmn4096, thanks

Somewhat disappointed if Inoue isn't working on this

And am I the only one who doesn't ever want Cave to go high res?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 3:32 pm

it is not really old japanese writing,

That's why I said oldish.

In fact, this is the third track(or stage) song of the OST.

Hang on... I'm lost. None of the tracks have words, in the least, and the words don't match any of the dialogue in the stage stories either.