Sega Saturn vs Playstation

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:15 pm

Yep, sounds to me like you been called out DawnPatrol.

The question now is, are you a Mexican or a Mexicaint!?

I know, but none of it makes any sense so why should I...???

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:56 pm

DawnPatrol wrote:Are you questioning my fanhood?

Would you prefer that we ignore your posts rather than take them seriously?

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:57 pm

This really isn't that tough. The Saturn is the collectors choice by a mile, with a ton of exceptional games (many shooters) not available anywhere else. The console is made all the more desirable due to lack of decent emulation...anywhere.

The Playstation has its moments - just not enough, and although there are some sound conversions, its 2D doesn't always make the grade.

Get stuck into:

Guardian Heroes
Battle Garegga
Kingdom Grandprix
Radiant Silvergun
Panzer Dragoon + PD Zwei + PD Saga
Princess Crown
Dondonpachi
SF Alpha 2 (finest console conversion)
Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru
Burning Rangers
Nights
Waku Waku 7
Thunder Force V
Batsugun
Layer Section
Keio 2
Sengoku Blade
Cotton 2

Amongst others.

Tell Solid Snake to stick that in his pipe.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:20 pm

Skykid wrote:The Saturn is the collectors choice

lol, you're right.

The console is made all the more desirable due to lack of decent emulation...anywhere.

Google "MAME"

DawnPatrol · Post by **DawnPatrol** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:33 pm

DawnPatrol wrote:Are you questioning my fanhood?

It's an advertising campaign on ESPN. It's supposed to be a joke. You know funny haha?

FIL · Post by **FIL** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:59 pm

MAME's STV emulation isn't very good.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:08 pm

^yip, what he said

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:31 pm

Just played... Raydiant...silver...gun........must...rest...soon.................

This might be off topic but where can I get that soundtrack???

Ive looked all over...

Oh yeah, how about more of these b4 I go....................... & .................

There, that oughta do it.........................

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 10:37 pm

DawnPatrol wrote:
DawnPatrol wrote:Are you questioning my fanhood?
It's an advertising campaign on ESPN. It's supposed to be a joke. You know funny haha?

I should have got that one, though I only care about NFL Live these days. If I could get the NFL Network here, I probably wouldn't watch ESPN at all.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:07 pm

FIL wrote:MAME's STV emulation isn't very good.

Agreed. To make matters worse, you need a computer with a newer processor and decent video card for the emulators that emulate it better.

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:16 pm

So I tried MAME 32 & seemed to have a little problem getting it started.

Then I tried EXTRA MAME & shazaam, kapow, gaboinkz Im flyin' thru space.

Is there a big diff between the 2 that only old hands, unlike myself, would see?

What is is the premier emulator?

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:26 am

FIL wrote:MAME's STV emulation isn't very good.

Exactly, so all the Saturn has are ST-V ports and Blastwind. That's why I don't own it anymore.

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:29 am

Rob wrote:
FIL wrote:MAME's STV emulation isn't very good.
Exactly, so all the Saturn has are ST-V ports and Blastwind. That's why I don't own it anymore.

There's more to the Saturn than Shmups BTW. And you forgot Hyper Duel.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:33 am

MAME Hyper Duel

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:45 am

Rob wrote:MAME Hyper Duel

Saturn Hyper Duel.

Saturn mode in Hyper Duel is 10x better than the arcade version. I'm being dead serious. Saturn mode makes the arcade mode look like a joke.

Skykid · Post by **Skykid** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 2:00 am

Wow, I did forget Hyper Duel!

Hang my head in shame...

jp · Post by jp » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:32 am

Skykid wrote:This really isn't that tough. The Saturn is the collectors choice by a mile, with a ton of exceptional games (many shooters) not available anywhere else. The console is made all the more desirable due to lack of decent emulation...anywhere.

The Playstation has its moments - just not enough, and although there are some sound conversions, its 2D doesn't always make the grade.

Get stuck into:

Guardian Heroes
Battle Garegga
Kingdom Grandprix
Radiant Silvergun
Panzer Dragoon + PD Zwei + PD Saga
Princess Crown
Dondonpachi
SF Alpha 2 (finest console conversion)
Shinrei Jusatsushi Taromaru
Burning Rangers
Nights
Waku Waku 7
Thunder Force V
Batsugun
Layer Section
Keio 2
Sengoku Blade
Cotton 2

Amongst others.

Tell Solid Snake to stick that in his pipe.

I like this kid.

Saturn Hyper Duel.

Saturn mode in Hyper Duel is 10x better than the arcade version. I'm being dead serious. Saturn mode makes the arcade mode look like a joke.

Good call.

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 10:23 am

Fighter 17 wrote:Saturn mode in Hyper Duel is 10x better than the arcade version. I'm being dead serious. Saturn mode makes the arcade mode look like a joke.

this is untrue, only hardcore Hyper Duel fans would be interested in the differences offered by the Saturn version. This myth that it is 'x10' better serves only to fuel the high prices/collector craziness that currently surrounds it.

Spartacus · Post by **Spartacus** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:01 pm

I wouldn't care to argue with anyone over whether the Saturn or the PS1 has the BETTER library. Our likes and dislikes about shooters is a matter of personal taste. But if you are willing to shell out for imports, then you should know that either library will involve serious coinage! If I was just deciding on which system to start with and there was the distinct possibility that I would end up only owning a few imports from it's library, then I would probably choose the Saturn. On the other hand, if you are really serious about owning an incredible shmup library, the PlayStation has a larger selection of unique titles. Best of all though, the PlayStation will give you a larger selection of shmups to play without doing any importing at all!
If you look at the list of Saturn exclusives ...Sengoku Blade, Gun Frontier, Batsugun, Battle Garegga, Blastwind, Game Paradise, Hyper Duel, Metal Black, Planet Joker, Steam Hearts, Kingdom Grandprix and
Radiant Silvergun. Then you probably have a list of some of the best (and worst) shmups in history. But some of these are already starting to get ported over on the PS2.
If Radiant Silvergun is the rarest of Saturn shmups, it equally has it's match in PlayStation's Gaia Seed. I'm not saying the games are equals in playability or enjoyment. I'm just saying that owning either title will put you in a pretty exclusive group.
It's also interesting to note that the Saturn library is completely devoid of some shmup classics. There's no Raiden's, R-Types, Xevious or Zanacs on it a all! The PlaySation gives you Raiden Project, Raiden DX,
R-Types, R-Type Delta, Xevious 3D and Zanac X Zanac.
The Saturn does have some Darius, but not G Darious. It has some Gradius, but not Gradius Gaiden. It has some Cotton shmups the PlayStation doesn't have, but the PlayStation has Cotton Original and Marchen Adventure which the Saturn doesn't.
Some other shooter's that the PlayStation has that the Saturn doesn't include Einhander, X2: No Relief, Toaplan Shooting Battle, Two-Tenkaku, Stahlfeder, Meta-Ph-List u.X.2297, Air Grave, EOS: Edge Of Skyhigh, and
Shooter: Space Shot and Starfighter Sanvein.
Those might not be "must have's" in anyone's library, but they are interesting to own and play. Plus the PlayStation does cute'em ups a bit more thoroughly than the Saturn library. It has Time Bokan: Bokan to Ippatsu too, plus Time Bokan: Bokan Desuyo!, Kyuiin and Harmful Park. It also has some exlusive anime based shmups like Geppy-X: '70s Robot Anime and Gatchaman.
Lastly, if you'd care to build your own shmup, the Saturn has Dezaemon 2, but the PlaySation has Dezaemon Kids!, Dezaemon Plus and 3D shooting Tsukuru.
From a player's standpoint, I'd probably start with the Saturn. From a collection standpoint, you might like to start with the PlayStation. And if you decide to do it by going the PS2 route, then the library differences become quite one-sided in Sony's favor.

And DawnPatrol, if you think the Saturn had more unique games, then I don't think you've given the Sony library enough consideration. The Saturn library has what, maybe a thousand games? (Just guessing) I know it's life got cut pretty short with some poor management decisions. Sony's library encompasses many, many, MANY thousands of games. Unless you happen to be terribly biased against it and aren't willing to look into it further, I'm sure that you'll find it has far larger library of unique games - based on what I've experienced so far!

Fighter17 · Post by **Fighter17** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:38 pm

DC906270 wrote:this is untrue, only hardcore Hyper Duel fans would be interested in the differences offered by the Saturn version. This myth that it is 'x10' better serves only to fuel the high prices/collector craziness that currently surrounds it.

Did you ever play the Saturn version before?

DC906270 · Post by **DC906270** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:02 pm

yes, i bought it recently off this forum

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 3:37 pm

There's entirely too much Saturn fanboyism in this thread.

I love my Saturn, and have 60+ games (all Japanese imports) for it, but this idea that there aren't as many good shooters for Playstation, or that it somehow can't handle 2D as well is rubbish.

charlie chong · Post by **charlie chong** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:24 pm

CIT wrote:There's entirely too much Saturn fanboyism in this thread.

I love my Saturn, and have 60+ games (all Japanese imports) for it, but this idea that there aren't as many good shooters for Playstation, or that it somehow can't handle 2D as well is rubbish.

truth !!

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:35 pm

charlie chong wrote:
CIT wrote:There's entirely too much Saturn fanboyism in this thread.

I love my Saturn, and have 60+ games (all Japanese imports) for it, but this idea that there aren't as many good shooters for Playstation, or that it somehow can't handle 2D as well is rubbish.
truth !!

Truth indeed.
I love both my Sega Saturn and my Sony PlayStation.

Post by **spadgy** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:08 pm

Sonic R wrote:
charlie chong wrote:
CIT wrote:There's entirely too much Saturn fanboyism in this thread.

I love my Saturn, and have 60+ games (all Japanese imports) for it, but this idea that there aren't as many good shooters for Playstation, or that it somehow can't handle 2D as well is rubbish.
truth !!
Truth indeed.
I love both my Sega Saturn and my Sony PlayStation.

I agree too. I was probably one of those fanboys when I first discovered shmups properly, and when you are introduced to the scene it's easy to beleive that the Saturn is the best shmup machine by such a long way.

In fact, there's really not much between to two at all. I think anyway...

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 6:09 pm

I feel both are great for shmups too. The only problem I have is that while more shmups came to the US for PSX, many of them stayed in Japan, which is a pain since the PSX is harder to import for. I have a PS-X-Change 2 for my PS One, which is fine for stuff like Gradius Gaiden and the Konami shmup packs, but won't cut it for Donpachi, Dodonpachi, or the Toaplan collection.

While the Konami Deluxe packs are similar for both systems, the Saturn ones have the minor advantage of having the ability to switch games without turning the system off and back on or even pressing the reset button. Switching games in Twinbee Deluxe Pack is annoying with PS-X-Change 2, since you have to do the boot disc thing all over again just to switch games. Still, I don't regret getting the pack, especially at the price Play-Asia sold it for brand new.

While not exclusives, PSX has some sweet ports of Xevious and R-Type (though R-Type Delta, which I heard is awesome, is an exclusive and Xevious 3D/G and Xevious Arrangement weren't ported to any other sytems). Gradius Gaiden is very nifty and shows that the PSX can do 2D.

Koa Zo · Post by **Koa Zo** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:28 pm

NTSC-J PS2 is the obvious answer.

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:59 pm

CIT wrote:There's entirely too much Saturn fanboyism in this thread.

I love my Saturn, and have 60+ games (all Japanese imports) for it, but this idea that there aren't as many good shooters for Playstation, or that it somehow can't handle 2D as well is rubbish.

I'd refer to it instead as deserved praise for the last real 2D system. The SS can indisputably handle 2D better due to the much higher VRAM and 2 dedicated frame buffers that allow more frames to be outputted in a given amount of time. That equates to more potential sprites displayed at any moment. The PS in all likelihood would not be able to handle Radiant Silvergun as is (as Crave probably found out); on the other hand, there's not a single full 2D game out there for the PS that doesn't seem to be overshadowed by a better looking 2D SS title.

I have nothing against the PS though (I bought the PS over the SS when it came out anyway). I do feel that the SS shooter library was stronger at the time but right now, enough of its exclusives are available elsewhere that I can't favor it as the more worthy 32-bit console to get for shooters anymore.

doodude · Post by **doodude** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 9:39 pm

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Better hurry...

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:55 pm

Ganelon wrote:I'd refer to it instead as deserved praise for the last real 2D system. The SS can indisputably handle 2D better due to the much higher VRAM and 2 dedicated frame buffers that allow more frames to be outputted in a given amount of time. That equates to more potential sprites displayed at any moment. The PS in all likelihood would not be able to handle Radiant Silvergun as is (as Crave probably found out);

That's true on paper, and can be seen in the fact that virtually every single 2D Fighting Game released on both systems is better on Saturn.

But regardless of what a system can do theoretically, it's still down to the programmers to get the job done, and in practice we somehow still have many titles (especially shooters) where the Playstation version is better.

on the other hand, there's not a single full 2D game out there for the PS that doesn't seem to be overshadowed by a better looking 2D SS title.

What's better looking than Akumajo Dracula X?

I have nothing against the PS though (I bought the PS over the SS when it came out anyway). I do feel that the SS shooter library was stronger at the time but right now, enough of its exclusives are available elsewhere that I can't favor it as the more worthy 32-bit console to get for shooters anymore.

Hmm, but don't you also feel most of the games that got later ports (for Taito Legends, Psikyo Collections, etc) are still best enjoyed on Saturn, because of tate-options, lowres display, extras, etc?