Ketsui for DS?!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:07 pm

roker wrote:
makes me wish it were heading to the PSP instead, since it's very easy to display it on a TV screen now

Yeah. It could have a TATE mode too. The funny thing is the new PSP slim has over double the RAM of a PS2, with its 64MB RAM. So it could handle Ketsui better than the PS2.

BTW guys, could you stop quoting that whole huge picture? Makes the thread cumbersome to read.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:29 pm

roker wrote:
Fighter17 wrote:Any way I can buy that cable so I can display the top screen on the TV?
I'm sure someone can figure it out

but you'd probably have to sacrifice your DS

makes me wish it were heading to the PSP instead, since it's very easy to display it on a TV screen now

Jumbotron DS

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:29 pm

And since the PSP Slim and Lite has a d-pad that easily surpasses the quality of both the original PSP and the DS Lite one it might actually be playable.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:23 pm

I hae an old clunker DS. The DPad is definitely not fit for shooting games if you're used to arcade sticks.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sun Sep 23, 2007 10:31 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:I hae an old clunker DS. The DPad is definitely not fit for shooting games if you're used to arcade sticks.

Trust me, DSL is even worse in that regard. So keep your fatty one.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:29 am

Agreed. The "ol' clunker" DS has a very nice d-pad, really. Better than most consoles in fact =) Nice and clicky

bay · Post by **bay** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 1:38 am

Fighter17 wrote:Any way I can buy that cable so I can display the top screen on the TV?

that looks more like the dev system for the nintendo ds, it's not just a cable. the "ds" there is wired into the blue box that you can see through the hole. the blue box can then interface with codewarrior or other IDEs to allow debugging on a pc.

i believe it's the nitro debugger, i played with one when i was working with a local game company.

that link for displaying to a larger display is pretty cool tho.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:16 am

One important gameplay mechanic I forgot to mention. There's an autobomb feature. If you get hit, you lose all your bombs, but of course save a life. Your last bomb also slows down the bullets quite a bit. I think it's pretty weak b/c I'm always looking to use two of my bombs and ride the last one out as long as possible.

dial911 · Post by **dial911** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:02 pm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6l3UcWT5jNY

Anyone post this yet???

Edit: http://www.arikaonline.com/download/mov ... 070907.mpg

Post by **Dave_K.** » Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:33 pm

dial911 wrote:Anyone post this yet???

Yeah about 3 weeks ago

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Oct 13, 2007 9:36 am

I've been gone for awhile. Nice to come back and see that this was confirmed. Still amazed a Cave game was ported to the DS. Ditto that the Lite's pad takes a LOT of getting used to (I play Gunstar SH exclusively on my SP) and ditto that a PSP slim rev using the TV out would be sweet. In any case, I'll still be unable to resist this despite Gaijin's disappointing impressions.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:11 am

It looks like easily the most intense game on DS. I play Gradius Galaxies on my Onyx Lite all the time, I don't have a problem with the D-pad.

Erinu · Post by **Erinu** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:14 am

Arvandor wrote:Agreed. The "ol' clunker" DS has a very nice d-pad, really. Better than most consoles in fact =) Nice and clicky

That's what I can't stand about the original DS. The clicky feeling makes it feel like you're playing with a toy.

MathU · Post by **MathU** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:21 am

nem · Post by **nem** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:23 am

Erinu wrote:The clicky feeling makes it feel like you're playing with a toy.

Gasp, the revelation.

moonblood · Post by **moonblood** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:47 am

Any news on this since the trailer, release date, anything?
Is it definitely 'just' the bosses, or are they considering including more?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:01 am

Erinu wrote:
Arvandor wrote:Agreed. The "ol' clunker" DS has a very nice d-pad, really. Better than most consoles in fact =) Nice and clicky
That's what I can't stand about the original DS. The clicky feeling makes it feel like you're playing with a toy.

as opposed to the 360 controller, which drives home the fact that you're playing with a toy

Erinu · Post by **Erinu** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:28 am

No. Wrong. The DS isn't a toy. The PSP isn't a toy. They're considered hi-tech handheld console devices and I don't want some annoying clicky bullshit for a dpad. This is why they upgraded to the DS Lite. They knew for a fact that the original DS wasn't up to par much like Microsoft knew the original Xbox controller wasn't up to par, and they made a newer model.

It makes perfect sense.

Don't even THINK about a smartalic reply.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:33 am

isn't a toy something you play with

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:35 am

Clicky diagonals always work. The lite's sometimes don't. I don't care if it DOES feel like a "toy" (which it really is), I want functionality. The old DS's d-pad just WORKS better. The clicky part is nice because you KNOW if you're hitting a direction or not. Unlike on the Lite where you kind of have to mash your thumb down real hard and hope.

And I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the d-pad change on the lite was purely due to a lack of space. The GBASP has the nice clicky d-pad, and everyone (but you) loves it. Same with the clunker DS. EVERYONE's biggest complaint (but yours) with the Lite is the retarded d-pad.

Erinu · Post by **Erinu** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:36 am

People play with cars too, are they toys? People play with girls, are they toys? etc.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:36 am

Erinu wrote:annoying clicky bullshit for a dpad

Neo Geo pads are cool, fool.

Erinu wrote: It makes perfect sense.

Maybe in Bizarro World games aren't toys. Or in Soviet Russia. In Soviet Russia, game plays YOU!

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:37 am

Yes and yes, but don't tell either... Both are very touchy about things like that. Especially cars o_O

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:40 am

Erinu wrote:People play with cars too, are they toys? People play with girls, are they toys? etc.

either you have a twisted definition of "playing" that probably stems from administrating gamefaqs, or your point is poorly worded. nonetheless, people treating them as such (in the classical definition) have serious mental conditions that need to be addressed

though, you implying that a video game console has the same importance as a car or emotional value of a member of the opposite sex (or same sex) is quite ludicrous and subsequently hilarious and as a result you are not much better than the group of people treating the aforementioned two as toys

Erinu · Post by **Erinu** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:48 am

Twiddle wrote:
Erinu wrote:People play with cars too, are they toys? People play with girls, are they toys? etc.
either you have a twisted definition of "playing" that probably stems from administrating gamefaqs

Uh, no.

Twiddle wrote:or your point is poorly worded.

No. Dig deeper.

Twiddle wrote:nonetheless, people treating them as such (in the classical definition) have serious mental conditions that need to be addressed

though, you implying that a video game console has the same importance as a car or emotional value of a member of the opposite sex (or same sex) is quite ludicrous and subsequently hilarious and as a result you are not much better than the group of people treating the aforementioned two as toys

It is obviously beyond you that I was merely using those two as examples, nothing more. No, let's not bother considering that, clearly I'm fucked in the head due to being a gamefaqs member of moderation (something that I'm sure people here would grab if given the opportunity).

But it doesn't matter whether people are considering them toys or not. The point is the clicky dpad was annoying as hell and I couldn't play games like Jump! Super Stars with it. Then again, the "made for asian hands" DS Lite dpad, complete with "lack of diagonal accuracy" isn't much better.

PSP would be a better idea for Ketsui, now that the Slim is out.

Herr Schatten · Post by **Herr Schatten** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:51 am

Arvandor wrote:The GBASP has the nice clicky d-pad, and everyone (but you) loves it.

I hate it. It's the main reason I use the Micro for playing GBA games almost exclusively.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:57 am

You guys are weird =P

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:00 am

it must be arznei posting as erinu because only a dumbass would post shitty posts

:V

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 11:08 am

Erinu wrote:It is obviously beyond you that I was merely using those two as examples, nothing more. No, let's not bother considering that, clearly I'm fucked in the head due to being a gamefaqs member of moderation (something that I'm sure people here would grab if given the opportunity).

maybe you could choose better examples, like televisions and computers, which can be played with by sane individuals but have more practical uses than toys

Frederik · Post by **Frederik** » Mon Oct 29, 2007 12:42 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game

Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interactivity. Games generally involve mental or physical stimulation, and often both. Many games help develop practical skills, serve as a form of exercise, or otherwise perform an educational, simulational or psychological role.

A GAME is not a TOY. Those are two different things, but since both are usually connected to childlike play, people seem to confuse them.

A game console isn´t a toy because it´s a mere game-player. Without a game inserted, it simply is a electronic device meant to play something on it, like a CD player. If you insert, say, Tetris DS into the DS, then you can play a game with it. If you insert Electroplankton, THEN you are playing with a toy.

The device itself isn´t a toy, it´s a program player. It´s contents is interchangeable, with no distinctive character of its own.

# If no goals are associated with a plaything, it is a toy. (Crawford notes that by his definition, (a) a toy can become a game element if the player makes up rules, and (b) The Sims and SimCity are toys, not games.) If it has goals, a plaything is a challenge.
# If a challenge has no “active agent against whom you compete,” it is a puzzle; if there is one, it is a conflict. (Crawford admits that this is a subjective test. Some games with noticeably algorithmic artificial intelligence can be played as puzzles; these include the patterns used to evade ghosts in Pac-Man.)