New hope for a PS2 Ketsui port?

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:49 am

Ed Oscuro wrote:I've seen tons of comics that are still only worth their cover price, and this two decades or so after printing. Those have actually lost money due to inflation.

But there are still a ton that go UP in value. Games not only lose money due to inflation, their actual dollar value drops as well in almost every case. Games that appreciate over time are extremely rare...even long amounts of time. The point is, if you are into games as an investment, you are a bit of a dipshit (or something like that)

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:52 am

Never_Scurred wrote:To pretty much sum it up......

"Oh please, no ports. I'm tryna retire on deez pcbs!"

is that the sound of a nail being hit on the head I hear??

you could probably also replace "port" with

*posters
*emulation
*auction alerts
*DDP BL repairs

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:26 am

segasonicfan wrote:Thing is though, for those of us that have invested in Ketsui and other PCBs, we did so hoping the title(s) would maintain a similar market value.

Just to go with what undamned said... I bought my Ketsui to play a damn game. At the time I had no idea it would appreciate, nor did I count on it to; I did not buy it as "an investment". If I wanted to do something smarter with my money I would have bought some RRSPs, but instead I wanted to have some fun.

A good home port of this great game can only be a good thing for the majority of people here and I am excited and will buy at least one copy, but I'll still hang onto my PCB just to have the perfect version. I've already had my fun, it's about time everyone else has a sample too.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:34 am

all collectors cry more

sideshow · Post by **sideshow** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 2:07 am

icycalm wrote:
sideshow wrote:I am a console gamer at heart.
Man, oh man.

So if I gave you a no-name controller and a screen, and the actual hardware was hidden inside a box, so you couldn't tell if it was a console system, a computer, or an arcade system powering the game, what would you do? Would you, like, short-circuit or something and stare at the screen blankly?

Nope. I would play the game.

Yes, I understand the game was meant to be played in the arcade form but I'm not rich enough to spend 1000 dollars on 1 game when I get a lesser quality port for 50 bucks. Or if Ketsui was ported to the 360 or PS3 then it could be close to arcade perfect if not par.

roker · Post by **roker** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:25 am

hi!

I own portz too, OMG!

I'd much rather play them on a cab (my highest scores are always from cabs), but I'm a mobile guy who hasn't the resources to take a cab with him everywhere he goes. Also, I like to spend my money on things that I won't get bored of one day (a bed, a car, a hooker and a hotel room, some blow, etc.)

Ports are easier to carry around and they fit in my lunch box. Thank you baby Jesus, portz are the teh best!

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:34 am

so : arcade perfect = $1000
near as dammit port = $60

I think the $940 dollar difference in a framerate/loadtime/graphical tradeoff (IF ANY) is more than liveable in my eyes...

wether I actually think it's worth that $940 to get those minor additions is another matter.

anyhoo, the PCB dumping is now immediately inevitable, i guess we'll see if a port or an emulatable version comes first.

so, segasonicfan, there's the warning you asked for, better sell your board , as it seems like it's all about the benjamins!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:37 am

pixelcorps wrote:
so, segasonicfan, there's the warning you asked for, better sell your board , as it seems like it's all about the benjamins!

I think the wise folks here will start selling at least their bare PCBs soon (note some recent threads in the Trading Forum here, some have already started doing this). The price will fall like a sack of potatoes once a port or emulated version hits. Then people can buy back the PCB later at a lower price.

I wouldn't sell the artwork/fliers set though. Those should hold their value pretty well, much like Mushihime-sama.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:42 am

EOJ wrote:
I think the wise folks here will start selling at least their bare PCBs soon

who knows?? it might not get emulated for an age.. and then you'll kick yourself!!

sell, not sell... ohhhh the torture!

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:44 am

pixelcorps wrote:so : arcade perfect = $1000
near as dammit port = $60

I agree with most what you posted in this thread, but not everyone who owns a Ketsui board bought one recently at current prices.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:48 am

pixelcorps wrote:
who knows?? it might not get emulated for an age.. and then you'll kick yourself!!

sell, not sell... ohhhh the torture!

Right, that's why I said the "wise" people. Once a port or emulated version is announced, it will already be too late. The price will fall immediately. You need to sell it before such an announcement. And a lot of signs are pointing to such an announcement within the next year or so.

But I could be wrong.

It is still game of odds.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:48 am

EOJ wrote:
pixelcorps wrote:
so, segasonicfan, there's the warning you asked for, better sell your board , as it seems like it's all about the benjamins!
I think the wise folks here will start selling at least their bare PCBs soon (note some recent threads in the Trading Forum here, some have already started doing this). The price will fall like a sack of potatoes once a port or emulated version hits. Then people can buy back the PCB later at a lower price.

I wouldn't sell the artwork/fliers set though. Those should hold their value pretty well, much like Mushihime-sama.

I like the game too much to sell my board now, although I "only" paid $500 for it. Then again, I'm not really concerned if the thing drops to $150 in the next year, I got way more than what I paid out of it in enjoyment alone.

And this is all assuming a port or emulation even occurs in any reasonable time frame. I'm certainly not willing to deprive myself of playing it for some unknown period of time.

omg my investments!!!11!1!

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:50 am

@zakk: yeah, if you bought it on the cheap and still love playing it, then I wouldn't sell it either. But for people who just shelled out $1000+ for a bare PCB, then yeah, I think they should seriously think about it.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:51 am

iatneH wrote:
pixelcorps wrote:so : arcade perfect = $1000
near as dammit port = $60
I agree with most what you posted in this thread, but not everyone who owns a Ketsui board bought one recently at current prices.

you mean they spent more?? well the gap is even larger more justifiable.

you mean they spent less?? great, they should enjoy their perfect 60fps and no load times and relax...

if you're using these games to play the "geek stock market' you're not being very savvy - the value could drop due to a legit port, or large production runs, whatever - take a course in real estate or something.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:42 am

I got an idea....

Why not have a Shmups pcb ticker?
That way we can track the change in value of a pcb title on a daily basis.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:43 am

Incentive for resellers to continuously jack up prices.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 4:50 am

interestingly, those that demand they only play PCB's and dismiss ports, and have never bought a brand new PCB are actually supporting cave's income less than anyone else, well not at all actually.

might explain this interesting little statistic..
http://www.corporateinformation.com/Sit ... =C392PI700

surely if things are in such a plummet, ports should definitely be looked into, let alone an online store where merchandise could be bought.

guess they hope that the DS port and their shitty looking MMO will pull that ever plummeting line back up....

so, with that in mind, maybe we should be buying those ports wether we like them or not... or maybe some of you people hope that your PCB's will skyrocket if cave went bust? which by the look of things could be an inevitability......

Battlesmurf · Post by **Battlesmurf** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:11 am

might explain this interesting little statistic..
http://www.corporateinformation.com/Sit ... =C392PI700

I've bought plenty of new pcb kits and such...but I can't bring myself to buy MMP (or Mushi's...but I folded on that with Futari recently)..lol..to me that line says "MMP and Ibara" : P

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:14 am

the people that buy brand new boards, while maybe an impossibility for myself and many others, YOU people are the true heroes in cave's eyes...

so in that case, you're a true hero - you should maybe buy shares too!!

oh and battlesmurf - PM me!!

RyanDG · Post by **RyanDG** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:19 am

Never_Scurred wrote:I got an idea....

Why not have a Shmups pcb ticker?
That way we can track the change in value of a pcb title on a daily basis.

Any price guide is going to inevitably drive up pricing as a whole in my opinion.

DBHashman93 · Post by **DBHashman93** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:30 am

Sorry to change gears, but were there ever talks of a Progear port? That's one I'd like to see....

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 5:36 am

pixelcorps wrote: might explain this interesting little statistic..
http://www.corporateinformation.com/Sit ... =C392PI700

2007 Sales: 2,516,895,000 yen? Doesn't seem like certain doom, but I dunno.

tada · Post by **tada** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:39 am

What the hell caused them to tank so much in 2006?

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:13 am

pixelcorps wrote: might explain this interesting little statistic..
http://www.corporateinformation.com/Sit ... =C392PI700

Cave's 2007 earnings report showed they were UP in profits during the fiscal year from 2006-2007, compared to 2005-2006. So I'm not sure where you got that chart.

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:19 am

EOJ wrote:
pixelcorps wrote: might explain this interesting little statistic..
http://www.corporateinformation.com/Sit ... =C392PI700

Cave's 2007 earnings report showed they were UP in profits during the fiscal year from 2006-2007, compared to 2005-2006. So I'm not sure where you got that chart.

http://www.corporateinformation.com/Sit ... =C392PI700

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 8:23 am

Rob wrote: 2007 Sales: 2,516,895,000 yen? Doesn't seem like certain doom, but I dunno.

Yeah, that's roughly 22 million USD. And we're only a bit over halfway through the year (those sales are computed until Jan 2008). Considering they only have 148 employees, it sounds like they're doing fine.

Kiken · Post by **Kiken** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:53 pm

DBHashman93 wrote:Sorry to change gears, but were there ever talks of a Progear port? That's one I'd like to see....

Ask Capcom.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 1:30 pm

That's stock price & earnings per share. Has nothing to do with them making money or not. Look at how many expensive stocks lose loads of cash every year?

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 6:25 pm

GaijinPunch wrote:That's stock price & earnings per share. Has nothing to do with them making money or not. Look at how many expensive stocks lose loads of cash every year?

That would explain their financial report I mentioned.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:46 pm

http://finance.google.com/finance?moren ... q=NJM:3760