I'd like to get into 3D shmups now

TKGB_Mental_Gear · Post by **TKGB_Mental_Gear** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:56 pm

I'm not the biggest shmup fan in the world but I have a liking for this genre. After getting Taito Legends 2 and enjoyed Darius-G and Raystorm, I decided to try out more 3D shmups. So what is a good choice to start for a beginning shmuper like me.

I was thinking of getting R-Type Final cuz I'm interested in the 100 extra ships in it.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:03 pm

1) Buy Gradius 5.
2) Buy Dreamcast.

TKGB_Mental_Gear · Post by **TKGB_Mental_Gear** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:09 pm

P_HAT wrote:1) Buy Gradius 5.
2) Buy Dreamcast.

Step 2 is done except I only got an arcade stick and nothing to save the game with.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:18 pm

Under Defeat
Einhänder
R-Type Delta

All are must-haves.

R-Type Final is not so good, unfortunately.

P_HAT · Post by **P_HAT** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:25 pm

CIT wrote:Under Defeat
Einhänder
R-Type Delta

All are must-haves.

WOW, no love for Zero Gunner 2?

also GigaWing 2, Psy/Psy2, Ikaruga, TF5.

btw, i don't like Einhäder - looks good, plays bad.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:30 pm

UT2004 Invasion on Godlike.

Large map.

Go.

JJG · Post by **JJG** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:30 pm

What do you mean when you say "3D Shmup"? When I think of 3D I think of Layer Section 2 and maybe Giga Wing 2 but I see a lot of people recommending everything.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:39 pm

TKGB_Mental_Gear wrote:enjoyed Darius-G

Dat be da hip hop version of G-Darius, yo?

JJG wrote:What do you mean when you say "3D Shmup"? When I think of 3D I think of Layer Section 2 and maybe Giga Wing 2 but I see a lot of people recommending everything.

I think he probably means polygonal shmups. I haven't played too many polygonal shmups, so I can't recommend too much, though I like Castle Shikigami 2. I also like Nanostray despite the flaws.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:40 pm

Border Down.

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:15 pm

I'll put in my recommendation of R-Type Final. I have an uninfected view of it since I don't own Delta, & I think it's a fun game. Cool atmosphere.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:20 pm

FRO wrote:I'll put in my recommendation of R-Type Final. I have an infected view of it since I don't own Delta, & I think it's a fun game. Cool atmosphere.

fixed

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:29 pm

There's no excuse for liking R-Type Final.

Pixel_Outlaw · Post by **Pixel_Outlaw** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:35 pm

Actually I do, just played it yesterday.
I guess it's bad because the enemies are sparse and the graphics are in some ways sub par. Also I have aquired a taste for Chaos Field, it's one of the few danmaku games available in America.

No mention of Shiki 2?

gavin19 · Post by **gavin19** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:39 pm

If it's 2D shmups with partially 3D gfx then there's loads, as have been mentioned. They don't have any special advantage gameplay-wise though, except that they sometimes look better.

The only 3D shmups I can think of that I have played would be Xyanide (Xbox) and Rez (PS2/DC), and even they aren't totally 3D. I did play the Silpheed demo (X360) but it was too busy for my liking, though it was proper 3D.

Krimzon Kitzune · Post by **Krimzon Kitzune** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:56 pm

KBZ · Post by **KBZ** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 10:12 pm

Need I say more

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:01 pm

Einhänder looks better than most everything mentioned.

No mention of Shiki 2?

As a reason to not make shooters 3D.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:35 pm

Rob wrote:
No mention of Shiki 2?
As a reason to not make shooters 3D.

There are worse. I popped in Gigawing 2 the other day. I'm going to have to vote it worst ship design ever. The game ain't half bad but wtf were they thinking w/ the ship? It looks like a fucking box.

szycag · Post by **szycag** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:48 pm

Star Fox 64

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 11:51 pm

Ika -- Oops! I forgot I'm not supposed to like that

Cave's bullet patterns are actually 3d.

The Coop · Post by **The Coop** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:01 am

Some polygonal shmups, eh? Some of the ones I've liked over the years are...

Silpheed Sega CD
Einhander PS1
Silpheed: The Lost Planet PS2
RayCrisis PS1
R-Type Final PS2
R-Type Delta PS1
Giga Wing 2 DC
Border Down DC
Under Defeat DC
Thunder Force V Saturn
Radiant Silvergun Saturn
Ikaruga DC
Zero Gunner 2 DC
Gradius V PS2
Raiden III PS2/PC

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:07 am

GaijinPunch wrote: There are worse. I popped in Gigawing 2 the other day. I'm going to have to vote it worst ship design ever. The game ain't half bad but wtf were they thinking w/ the ship? It looks like a fucking box.

There are some pretty nice looking things in Giga Wing 2, but also a fair amount of ugly. I think the ugliest thing of all are the bullets. 3D graphics can be fine but please don't make the bullets 3D. The color choices are also very poor.

kengou · Post by **kengou** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:43 am

Gradius V and Ikaruga are two of my favorite shmups and they'll last you a long time trying to 1CC them, unless you're crazy good. Border Down is good, Triggerheart Exelica is good although a bit easy, Psyvariar is also pretty good although it plays kind of differently. Oh yeah, and Under Defeat is very good although the scoring is kind of weird.

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I'm not a big R-type fan so I wouldn't really recommend Final, but if it's your kind of game then I bet it will be enjoyable.

JJG · Post by **JJG** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 12:44 am

The backgrounds in Giga Wing 2 really remind me of Powerstone 2. If they took the ship design of the first game as well as the bullets and combined it with the backgrounds of the 2nd it'd be awesome. Great game still but I can nitpick if I want to...

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:41 am

Gigawing is one of those weird cases where each installment get progressively worse than the previous. Shikigami no Shiro would be another.

Squirrel · Post by **Squirrel** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 1:45 am

True 3D?

Starfox for SNES, overclocked. No slowdown. Good times.

Thunderforce V I enjoyed a lot of.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:15 am

GaijinPunch wrote:one of those weird cases where each installment get progressively worse than the previous.

What about the Ray series? I usually hear Rayforce>Raystorm>Raycrisis for that one. I haven't played Crisis, but I like Force better than Storm (though I also like Storm).

Pirate1019 · Post by **Pirate1019** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:16 am

Rob wrote:There's no excuse for liking R-Type Final.

Yes there is. The price tag. Eight whole dollars.

ARCADIA · Post by **ARCADIA** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:21 am

Wyvern F-0

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 10:40 am

I'm confused - opinions on R-Type Final seem to be fairly divided.
I haven't played it (no PS2) - I do own Delta though, which I like a lot (although PS1 polygons look fugly)

How can Final be worse?

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