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Eugenics: you know it's right!
That has been the general consensus, but you're right, unless there's a pre-order option, it is impossible to say with certainty.Brian wrote:Raiden III has been confiirmed for PS2?
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...what? Neither the PGM hardware nor Cave's new SH3-based hardware is more powerful than the PS2. This isn't an issue regarding capabilities; it's purely one about presentation and whether developers care enough to make a game display in its native resolution. It would have been perfectly possible with the Psikyo packs, given the games' 320x224 native res, which PS2 does easily support. Developers must have an extreme case of laziness for them not to support a resolution for which they wouldn't have to resize any graphics. Any arcade port of a 2D shooter has the potential to look just like the original, especially with the capabilities of modern consoles.sffan wrote:I don't see this as a "problem" at all, since Dragon Blaze looks great. If they made Mushi less blurry that's okay with me, as long as it plays right. Anyway, it's a port, not the original, so you can't expect it to look exactly like the original game. They do what they gotta do to make it play on the console, which is inferior to the arcade machine.
I can't recall any such sites off the top of my head, but MS3 is a particularly icky example of what can go wrong. It's scaled-up and runs in high resolution at 30fps, so you should see a lot of flickering and interlaced trails when the screen scrolls or enemies move. MVS/AES MS3 runs at 30fps, too, but it runs in its native low resolution, so there's no flickering or interlacing.chtimi wrote:i'm not too familiar with filters and what not, are there side by side shots of any given game so that i can see how bad it is?Recap wrote:low res or not
was PS2 metal slug 3 filtered? it looks good to me but then i don't have the MVS.
Maybe the problem is with 2D sprites. Aren't they too much RAM dependant? PS2 could be a more advanced hardware overall, but doesn't have sufficient RAM to efficiently backup so many bullets on-screen. But I don't know how much RAM those PCBs have to compare.jiji wrote:...what? Neither the PGM hardware nor Cave's new SH3-based hardware is more powerful than the PS2. (...)
Yep. Add there the Taito-published PS2 XII Stag port. But it's not the norm.Well probably also a few other devcos, e.g. the PS2 Shienryu 1 port in the Double Shienryu pack also offers a choice of true low res or filtered high res display.
You indeed can expect to look like the original game in terms of on-screen display. A PS2 is as true low res, RGB-friendly as any PCB. Remember, RGB is the key if you want to say if something looks "great" or not.I don't see this as a "problem" at all, since Dragon Blaze looks great. If they made Mushi less blurry that's okay with me, as long as it plays right. Anyway, it's a port, not the original, so you can't expect it to look exactly like the original game. They do what they gotta do to make it play on the console, which is inferior to the arcade machine.
It's not easy to find good snapshots in the 'net to show a true low res, RGB picture display. Check this:i'm not too familiar with filters and what not, are there side by side shots of any given game so that i can see how bad it is?
was PS2 metal slug 3 filtered? it looks good to me but then i don't have the MVS.
Yep, they do. They're scaled-up from the tate picture display.No it doesn't. And ESPGaluda doesn't either.
Cave's SH3-based system is indeed more powerful than the PS2 to handle a large number of sprites since it's customized to do that.Neither the PGM hardware nor Cave's new SH3-based hardware is more powerful than the PS2.
The truth is that, besides the DC and the PS2 no other current console has true low res capabilities.Any arcade port of a 2D shooter has the potential to look just like the original, especially with the capabilities of modern consoles.
That's a good question, but who cares since they're emulated. I discovered the other day that the PS2 ports/emulations of the Rockman arcade games were made by an European team. And it wouldn't be rare that the forthcoming CP-S II to PS2 ports (as Vampire DC) will indeed be using the emulation program from that team. And believe me, it's better Cross Nauts just let others do the ports.Regardless, I have a feeling Cave will exercise more control over the port's quality than X-nauts have (does anybody know exactly who ported the games for the Psikyo collection packs?).
I have over $700 coming back from Uncle Sam so I'm covered.BulletMagnet wrote:That one is definitely a good sign.Dylan1CC wrote:Thank goodness they're using DVD-ROM.
Oh man, I'm so low on cash, but I've so been hoping for this port...man, what the heck do I do?
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Thank you! Agreed! And the bullet curtains in Level 5 would make a Psyvariar player swoon!Rob wrote:Nope, it's great and the port is adequate. People should really get over the 30 frames per second and try it out. It's totally playable, as I've been doing for a few days.GaijinPunch wrote:I heard GWG was a turd to begin with.
If people try and justify conversions like Gigawing generations then it will simply give developers even less incentive to make future ports as good as possible.gunbird18 wrote:Thank you! Agreed! And the bullet curtains in Level 5 would make a Psyvariar player swoon!Rob wrote:Nope, it's great and the port is adequate. People should really get over the 30 frames per second and try it out. It's totally playable, as I've been doing for a few days.GaijinPunch wrote:I heard GWG was a turd to begin with.
Thank you for that post.Kron wrote: If people try and justify conversions like Gigawing generations then it will simply give developers even less incentive to make future ports as good as possible.
I can't fathom how people can call something adequate when essentially it runs like a game thats badly emulated with frameskip.
Ah, cool. Thanks man.jiji wrote:NCS never charges until a game ships, nor do they require deposits.Dylan1CC wrote:Do you need to pay NCS something to be on the preorder? I'm hoping I'm not just on an "alert" list by e-mailing them. If they require a small payment for a preorder then I will need to contact them again.
They're not reading my posts on this forum, so don't worry.Kron wrote:If people try and justify conversions like Gigawing generations then it will simply give developers even less incentive to make future ports as good as possible.
Because I'm playing it without a problem, it gives me the options I'm accustomed to (score attack), and it suffers from no playability problems that truly bad port (Night Raid) does. That's "adequate," which I can take.I can't fathom how people can call something adequate when essentially it runs like a game thats badly emulated with frameskip.
She's Yuuko from the manga xxxHolic. <3Dylan1CC wrote:Ah, cool. Thanks man.
BTW, who is the girl in your avatar jiji?
Actually, there is some filter or resolution change on PS2 port of XII Stag. It's not so sharp as G-Net original. I don't stress over this stuff unless it gets 'movement blurry' though, like PS2 rev Metal Slug 4 for example.Recap wrote:Yep. Add there the Taito-published PS2 XII Stag port. But it's not the norm.Well probably also a few other devcos, e.g. the PS2 Shienryu 1 port in the Double Shienryu pack also offers a choice of true low res or filtered high res display.
Having never played the arcade version of Night Raid, I've been wondering if the controls were that loose in the original...maybe we'll be able to find out once it's available on MAME?Rob wrote:Because I'm playing it without a problem, it gives me the options I'm accustomed to (score attack), and it suffers from no playability problems that truly bad port (Night Raid) does. That's "adequate," which I can take.
It really isn't bad at all. I went from the MVS version to the PS2 version and it didn't bother me. I think the PS2 version looks really good and I can't remember to have seen any of the problems you describe. At least not something that ruins it, at all.jiji wrote:
I can't recall any such sites off the top of my head, but MS3 is a particularly icky example of what can go wrong. It's scaled-up and runs in high resolution at 30fps, so you should see a lot of flickering and interlaced trails when the screen scrolls or enemies move. MVS/AES MS3 runs at 30fps, too, but it runs in its native low resolution, so there's no flickering or interlacing.
That doesn't mean they automatically look like shit. I can't believe anyone would say with a straight face that Galuda or DAI-OU-JOU look like shit in yoko! They may look worse than in TATE but worse than TATE is not the same as shit. Learn to look at things with some perspective people! Dammit.Recap wrote:
Yep, they do. They're scaled-up from the tate picture display.
Thank-fucking-you. I thought I was the only sane person around here. I'm playing GWG without a problem as well. And enjoying it a lot.Rob wrote: Because I'm playing it without a problem, it gives me the options I'm accustomed to (score attack), and it suffers from no playability problems that truly bad port (Night Raid) does. That's "adequate," which I can take.
