Playing vs. Collecting Shmups

durias · Post by **durias** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:58 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:Whoa, they recently opened a forum dedicated to sealed games collecting :/

http://sealedgameheaven.forumieren.com/

Thanks for the lead! I'll check it.

PROMETHEUS · Post by **PROMETHEUS** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:25 pm

PROMETHEUS wrote:Whoa, they recently opened a forum dedicated to sealed games collecting :/

http://sealedgameheaven.forumieren.com/

The caption for the nintendo sub-forum says "What are the rarest Big N sealed games? What kind of sealed wrappings are existing?". I find this kind of sick O_O!

durias wrote:Thanks for the lead! I'll check it.

oh well @_____@

Pirate1019 · Post by **Pirate1019** » Sun Aug 19, 2007 10:27 pm

Rob wrote:
-Bridget- wrote:I cant understand why someone would buy a game and then NOT play it.
Preserving it for the afterlife, duh.

They are a better investment then stocks, duh.

jp · Post by jp » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:33 am

cody wrote:
jp wrote: But someone with a sealed Blast Wind just collecting dust or a sealed Crows is kinda being a jerk IMO.
Based on the reviews & gameplay vids i've seen, someone keeping a copy of crows sealed is doing the world a favor . . .

http://www.got-next.com/board/showthread.php?t=117179

PooshhMao · Post by **PooshhMao** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 10:53 am

What a DUMB thread.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:22 pm

doctorx0079 wrote:
article on Siliconera wrote:Game Quest Direct said that they would try to reprint any game that goes on eBay for over $100.
Thank goodness. I hope they do some imports.

I emailed them and they said:

"Crescent Mkg./Game Quest

Hello, thank you for taking the time to contact us. At the moment we are focusing on reprinting games sold in the U.S. However, in the future we may begin reprinting import games as an additional marketplace.

Thank you for letting me assist you. Have a wonderful day.

Service Rep- Celia"

Anybody think of any rare US-released games? I presume they are sticking to CD's.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 8:11 am

undamned wrote:
PROMETHEUS wrote:I don't understand what's up with collecting unsealed games. What's beautiful or good about a game is the game itself, not the CD-ROM or box on which it is stored.

I can understand people collecting paintings or whatever, but collecting games ? Just collect game data so you can play them again later.
A sealed game is like an old sealed pack of baseball cards. It's an investment that can be appreciated without opening. I try and have sealed copies of games that actually mean something to me. I took a liking to Winds of Thunder, Star Parodier, and Final Zone II, so when I found a seller on ebay with sealed copies, I picked them up. I play my used ones today, but the sealed ones are like homage to their utter coolness or something.
-ud

While thats cool and all Undamned, you still can't "take em with you" when you're gone. (you know what I mean)
I enjoy collecting, but I also enjoy playing even more!!! Everything I have is opened and regularly PLAYED! Don't assume that these games get "worn out"...my discs are still mint. They only get worn out if you mishandle them, which I don't allow that to happen.

I really don't want to get caught up in a discussion such as this, because, in my opinion, those who buy games only to keep them sealed are "hoarders"...not game players. BIG difference!

Just remember people, nothing lasts forever...

umi · Post by **umi** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:55 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:I really don't want to get caught up in a discussion such as this, because, in my opinion, those who buy games only to keep them sealed are "hoarders"...not game players. BIG difference!

No, actually they would be customers.

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Just remember people, nothing lasts forever...

Do you have a car? Not that either. Nor money. Houses. And depending on your... worldview... we and our souls may not either (this includes our loved ones). Yeah, not even this silly thread :/ I'm sure the list goes on...

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:19 pm

If you think your about to commit suicide thinking things just can't get any worse. Just read that "sealed game forum" and it will save your life.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:27 pm

umi wrote:
TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:I really don't want to get caught up in a discussion such as this, because, in my opinion, those who buy games only to keep them sealed are "hoarders"...not game players. BIG difference!
No, actually they would be customers.

Makes no difference to them if it's a second hand copy, though.

They also enjoy more business if a retailer orders a reprint (which has the side effect of driving prices on ebay down, commencing tears.)

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:22 pm

I'm not collecting sealed games, but I have a handful of sealed ones which I will keep that way. For instance Iron Clad Brikinger. I have a CD-R of the game, so there's no point in opening my sealed copy just so I can play it. Besides, considering it would suddenly be worth 200 USD instead of 500 (just guessing here, no idea what it's really worth) it would be quite idiotic to open it, wouldn't it?

Of course, keeping sealed games around defeats the original purpose, and if you don't care about having them just for the sake of having them (yes, collecting can be an unhealthy habit) my advise would be: Sell the sealed games if they are valuable, buy unsealed ones instead AND make a profit.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:39 pm

Collecting can definitely be unhealthy, and it's usually good to fight the impulse. Further, games are rarely a good investment.

For these reasons I don't buy games that I intend to keep sealed. What happens is that I sometimes buy sealed games that I don't get around to opening-- for the same sorts of reasons as Ceph.

One way that the collector's mentality gets a grip on me is that with my very favorite games I like to have all the various ports, and sometimes limited editions as well. Shiki II is one of my favorites and I love having the various versions of it. I don't want them sealed, though. I like to play them and look at the various inserts etc.

The other case where the collector's mentality has some sway over me is that I'm so close to having a complete and very mint collection of DC shooters. But the one I still need is Chaos Field. Can I really bring myself to plunk down $60 for a lame game I already have for the GC? Here I try hard to resist the collector's impulse, but it's probably only a matter of time before I cave in.

ROBOTRON · Post by **ROBOTRON** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:36 am

Collecting is a hobby...plain & simple. There's nothing wrong with that. However, I must admit it is rather irritating when titles like Blast Wind are so darn expensive.

But thats life...

I collect, but I play what I collect. I have rare titles like Radiant Silvergun, but I do play it quite a bit. Now there are other titles I've purchased like Chaos Field and Trizeal...these are examples of games that were so-so and I don't play as much...but I still plan to keep them anyway. Its not like I'm being a jerk about it, but I feel like I'm supporting the shmup genre by getting titles like these when they come out (and BTW...and they also look dam nice on my Dreamcast shelf).

Some people collect toy trains and play with them, some collect Hot Wheels....more power to them. I collect shmups and play em'...I don't see why people have a problem with that.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:20 am

ROBOTRON wrote:Some people collect toy trains and play with them, some collect Hot Wheels....more power to them.

"more power to them" - I would say no. Hot Wheels aren't going to bring anyone's childhood back.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:53 am

If you are buying games as an investment, PLEASE... stop smoking weed. Games are an awful investment. Do I need to go into why? Sure, one comes along in a short while that you know will be worth at least as much as it does now if not more, but they are few and far between. Even w/ the recent stock market debacle, I've only had my money in funds for about 2.5 years and it's still up. That doesn't happen w/ games.

I do have a few sealed ones though. They're not for investment... mainly b/c the game means something to me. In any case, I will have some way to play any game I have sealed, usually w/ another used copy.

BBH · Post by **BBH** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:21 am

PROMETHEUS wrote:Whoa, they recently opened a forum dedicated to sealed games collecting :/

http://sealedgameheaven.forumieren.com/

The caption for the nintendo sub-forum says "What are the rarest Big N sealed games? What kind of sealed wrappings are existing?". I find this kind of sick O_O!

holy christ, that must be the most buttery forum on the internet

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:40 am

umi wrote:
TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:I really don't want to get caught up in a discussion such as this, because, in my opinion, those who buy games only to keep them sealed are "hoarders"...not game players. BIG difference!
No, actually they would be customers.

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Just remember people, nothing lasts forever...
Do you have a car? Not that either. Nor money. Houses. And depending on your... worldview... we and our souls may not either (this includes our loved ones). Yeah, not even this silly thread :/ I'm sure the list goes on...

I'm reading your reply here, and now I'm shaking my head. You seem to try to prove me wrong somehow, but how can you prove me wrong based on my opinion based on collecting sealed games verses playing games.
Personally, I think your missing my point of view, and for what its worth...yea, I do own a car. (1968 Cheverolet Chevelle Super Sport) as well as lots of other things.

The difference between me and other people I'm refering to(not Undamned) is that I buy games to collect and PLAY them...not to keep sealed so that one day I can sell em on Ebay and make a so-called "killing".
I also dispise "scalpers" at concerts as well.
Guess what? Its my choice to feel this way...you have your opinion, I have mine.

Oh, and by the way...I'm not forcing some sort of Twitch "World-View" here...I already tried that many years ago regarding Tate vs. widescreen...

The phrase, "To each is own" should be applied here in this thread.

Ed Oscuro · Post by **Ed Oscuro** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:17 am

BBH wrote:holy christ, that must be the most buttery forum on the internet

I had to restrain myself from trashing their thread on DP when it went up. I guess that was easy enough to do since I had already made a crazy anti-collecting rant and didn't need to become DP's new kamino

Besides, I have tons of shit I don't play, and most every game I do own is easily emulated.

GaijinPunch wrote:If you are buying games as an investment, PLEASE... stop smoking weed. Games are an awful investment.

That's what I said, but these people are like "hey I beat inflation, hoo boy aewsum"

I bet the fuckers ran out and bought fifty sheets of Forever Stamps when they came out, too.

RGC · Post by **RGC** » Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:01 pm

-Bridget- · Post by **-Bridget-** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:07 am

Rob wrote:
-Bridget- wrote:I cant understand why someone would buy a game and then NOT play it.
Preserving it for the afterlife, duh.

Aha...... I see.

Well, at least it all makes sense now

umi · Post by **umi** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 1:53 pm

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:
umi wrote:
TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:I really don't want to get caught up in a discussion such as this, because, in my opinion, those who buy games only to keep them sealed are "hoarders"...not game players. BIG difference!
No, actually they would be customers.

TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Just remember people, nothing lasts forever...
Do you have a car? Not that either. Nor money. Houses. And depending on your... worldview... we and our souls may not either (this includes our loved ones). Yeah, not even this silly thread :/ I'm sure the list goes on...

I'm reading your reply here, and now I'm shaking my head. You seem to try to prove me wrong somehow, but how can you prove me wrong based on my opinion based on collecting sealed games verses playing games.
Personally, I think your missing my point of view, and for what its worth...yea, I do own a car. (1968 Cheverolet Chevelle Super Sport) as well as lots of other things.

The difference between me and other people I'm refering to(not Undamned) is that I buy games to collect and PLAY them...not to keep sealed so that one day I can sell em on Ebay and make a so-called "killing".
I also dispise "scalpers" at concerts as well.
Guess what? Its my choice to feel this way...you have your opinion, I have mine.

Oh, and by the way...I'm not forcing some sort of Twitch "World-View" here...I already tried that many years ago regarding Tate vs. widescreen... :lol:
The phrase, "To each is own" should be applied here in this thread.

Hrm... I can only go by what you wrote: "Just remember people, nothing lasts forever...". Huh? Are you a religious man? If a statement like that wouldn't warrant my reply, well...

Btw, one reason why non-collectors will never understand (hardcore?) collecting is because to start with they seem to think a collection's value is all monetary. There's a lot more effort and passion that goes into it than can be measured merely with a dollar value.

Okay, this is my last post to this thread :P Try to keep an open mind, people. We all feel that the world revolves around ourselves (and that's normal), but it helps to keep the awareness in the back of our minds at all times that... it really doesn't.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:10 pm

umi wrote:Btw, one reason why non-collectors will never understand (hardcore?) collecting is because to start with they seem to think a collection's value is all monetary. There's a lot more effort and passion that goes into it than can be measured merely with a dollar value.

like the quality of butter slathered upon it

Okay, this is my last post to this thread Try to keep an open mind, people. We all feel that the world revolves around ourselves (and that's normal), but it helps to keep the awareness in the back of our minds at all times that... it really doesn't.

since you're trying to teach a lesson every other poster in this thread already knows (hopefully) are you trying to tell us that the world revolves around you

pixelcorps · Post by **pixelcorps** » Sat Aug 25, 2007 5:25 am

Twiddle wrote: like the quality of butter slathered upon it

hey, for those freaks, it's the only way their seed will get used in a cosntructive manner - they have plenty of backup and it's a great water soluble adhesive for preventing their stacks of shrinkwrapped games from falling over.

I need to start remembering names from that place, and get some good condition empty game boxes and a shrink wrapping machine...

Veracity · Post by **Veracity** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:41 pm

I'm 100% 'player' in theory, probably ~70% 'collector' in practice, but I imagine that's a fairly common situation.

Not that I'd condone such underhandedness, of course, but, regarding these folks who like to drool over sealed copies, what can they realistically do to prevent an enterprising individual with a shrink-wrap machine from ripping them off quite spectacularly? Should probably ask them on their special forum, I guess, but I fear the question might be misinterpreted.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 8:49 pm

Veracity wrote: Not that I'd condone such underhandedness, of course, but, regarding these folks who like to drool over sealed copies, what can they realistically do to prevent an enterprising individual with a shrink-wrap machine from ripping them off quite spectacularly?

It's pretty easy to tell if it's original factory wrap (for systems I'm familiar with). No, I'm not a member of that forum.

Veracity · Post by **Veracity** » Wed Aug 29, 2007 7:54 am

Rob wrote: It's pretty easy to tell if it's original factory wrap.

Damn. Uh, I mean 'good'.

Denvan · Post by **Denvan** » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:58 pm

pixelcorps wrote:
Twiddle wrote: like the quality of butter slathered upon it

hey, for those freaks, it's the only way their seed will get used in a cosntructive manner - they have plenty of backup and it's a great water soluble adhesive for preventing their stacks of shrinkwrapped games from falling over.

I need to start remembering names from that place, and get some good condition empty game boxes and a shrink wrapping machine...

hmm I don't think so ...
I think everyone should collect what he/she wants and what makes him/her happy ... anyway I like to collect sealed games and I enjoy it as a hobby ...
and www.sealedgameheaven.com is a good place for all sealed collector to talk about this things....

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:22 am

I like collecting plastic stuff and I plan on taking it all with me when I die.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:23 pm

I like collecting rare sealed food.

I have thing like my 1985 McDLT, my box of Fruit Island Cereal, and a 1996 first run Rally's Big Bufurd.

Why eat food when it can be treasured in its original packaging

Zebra Airforce · Post by **Zebra Airforce** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:09 pm

Damn spambots. Our defenses failed!