So why exactly does Cave not want to port anymore?

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:10 pm

roker wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Yes it is. I win. Bye bye.
1. you have a faggot user name

2. you're a faggot

3. you have a faggot av

4. I win by default

(awaits childish response because arguing things in logical manners eludes an elitist all knowing prick like yourself, which I can expect in a few days after you think of something "clever")

5. I'm the farthest thing from pleasant

yes, i'd like an express ticket to banned, please.

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:14 pm

Surely the post was a joke...?

At least I'm sure it made GP laugh.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:29 pm

Shatterhand wrote:Okami take ages to start. I remember when I got it, I was chatting with a friend on MSN, and said "Hey, I just got Okami!" .. "Is it any good?" .. "I dunno, I just popped the game ,and it's showing the intro"

10 minutes later

"So, is the game any good?" .. "I don't know, I still didn't played it, the thing is still in the intro"

like, one hour later

"So, is the game any good?" .. "FUCKING HELL WHY CAN'T I SKIP ALL THIS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH ?? THIS IS TOO MUCH ANNOYING TO ME.. JUST LET ME SAVE AND QUIT, SO I DON'T HAVE TO READ IT ALL AGAIN..."

To be quite honest, I still havent played the game

It doesn't last an hour, maybe 25 minutes. But I get your drift. This is also the funniest thing i've read in quite a while on this forum.. Keep it up.

Btw, its nothing compared to MGS2. Not only do the sequences go on for like 20 minutes AT A TIME. But they don't make any damn sense at all.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:47 pm

heh

I could have a long rant about this.

Yeah, MGS2 made no sense at all, but at least I could skip those scenes. I got the PC version of MGS2 with a friend, and we both finished the game more or less at the same time, and we were talking with each other trying to make a sense of all that mess. After we talked about it half an hour, we just gave up, as the game obviously has the most fucked up elaborated plot ever.

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:49 pm

roker wrote:you missed the point

even if it isn't perfect, it's still a far cry from the 16 bit gen

Quit living in the past. Also, leave comparing ports from that era to AirRaidX. Strider and Ghouls N' Ghosts on Genesis were fine so leave it at that.

neorichieb1971 wrote:Btw, its nothing compared to MGS2. Not only do the sequences go on for like 20 minutes AT A TIME. But they don't make any damn sense at all.

At least you could skip the MGS2 videos.

Shatterhand wrote:Yeah, MGS2 made no sense at all, but at least I could skip those scenes. I got the PC version of MGS2 with a friend, and we both finished the game more or less at the same time, and we were talking with each other trying to make a sense of all that mess. After we talked about it half an hour, we just gave up, as the game obviously has the most fucked up elaborated plot ever.

I think this whole 'the plot is a big mess' idea is brainwashing at it's finest. Either that or I never had a big issue with it. In anycase, MGS2 doesn't begin to get wacky until the end, and the fact there are many loose ends upon completion doesn't help either. Plus, who ever said a little confusion would hurt?

roker · Post by **roker** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:33 pm

Icarus wrote:
roker wrote:1. you have a faggot user name
2. you're a faggot
3. you have a faggot av
4. I win by default

(awaits childish response because arguing things in logical manners eludes an elitist all knowing prick like yourself, which I can expect in a few days after you think of something "clever")

5. I'm the farthest thing from pleasant
I laughed at this post. Not because it was funny (because it isn't) but because it's kind of ironic how you can call someone childish when you use the term "faggot" three times in one post, and structure an argument like a ten-year old.

thank you, sir!

fight fire with fire I always say.

I love the vids you post, seriously

that's some skill

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 7:50 pm

roker wrote:thank you, sir!
fight fire with fire I always say.

Love to know what would happen if your house caught fire.
"Well officer, I noticed my curtains were on fire. But instead of using water to put out the fire, I set everything else in the room alight, to see if the flames would put themselves out. You know, fight fire with fire. Yup." *scratches head*

roker wrote:I love the vids you post, seriously
that's some skill

I don't. I think they suck.
I just record and distribute it out of habit.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:36 pm

i kind of agree with roker LOL FILTERING is def not an issue worth killing yourself over unless you're recap, in which case kill yourself asap

gameplay changes can be significant enough to disqualify use of a game's version though

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Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:02 pm

Twiddle wrote: (this post brought to you by the onion router, the go-to distributed proxy project for when DNS is horribly broken)

Seems we are the only 2 people posting here tonight...

Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:04 pm

Ceph wrote:Seems we are the only 2 people posting here tonight...

This was at 7.30pm today.
I was the one that was logged in and hidden.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:13 pm

what's with dns lately it seems like at least 1 site i go to is down for an entire week

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Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:15 pm

Twiddle wrote:what's with dns lately it seems like at least 1 site i go to is down for an entire week

Dunno.

I get this sneaking suspicion that 80% of shmupsforum don't know how to use netproxies.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:17 pm

i can't blame them when they do put in the effort to using a working one it ends up being horridly slow

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Post by **Icarus** » Tue Jul 17, 2007 10:26 pm

Twiddle wrote:i can't blame them when they do put in the effort to using a working one it ends up being horridly slow

Horridly slow or not, at least they work. Funnily enough I'm not on a proxy at the moment, so it must be affecting certain regions only.

Christ, it's boring tonight. Shmups on a standstill, /a/ under attack by a ghostbumping script, and I'm hungover. Think I'll watch something to kill some time.

Veracity · Post by **Veracity** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 1:21 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Yeah, well, call it what you will. I'm glad there are still at least some people that care about quality.

Wasn't supposed to be derogatory - I'd love to see more of the 'do it right or release nothing' attitude Arika apparently has, but it's unfortunately a rare exception. An appropriately-equipped PC should be able to do arcade resolution, and even one that can't should be able to get close with some combination of pixel doubling and borders if you want pixel-for-pixel. Not that this means you can safely assume PC ports will support it, of course. Similarly, even if the PS2's capable of arcade resolution output, ports don't necessarily offer it; additionally, it's cronky old hardware that may be at full stretch trying to reproduce recent arcade releases.

Even if it can be done, you'll potentially need to plough vast development effort into target hardware that can reproduce a game only after extensive optimization - maybe sometimes enough to make the difference between financially viable and not. I suspect people often underestimate the work of porting from arcade hardware to consoles and PCs, particularly where hardware emulation isn't an option.

For my part, I'm reasonably content so long as a port gets aspect ratio and timing right. I think blur-o-vision's irksome, but not unbearable. Everyone has their personal takes on what's too crap to put up with, though. It's inconceivable to me that anyone could consider 50Hz/60Hz (or 17% permanent slowdown) a trivial quibble, but some aren't fussed. Returning to the Nintendo idiocy grumbling for a sec, this bugs me immensely, since VC releases are apparently a throwback to the bad old days of PAL meaning 50Hz or import. But in a market that's seemingly struggling to support any ports, never mind perfect ones, I do think expecting arcade perfection as the default standard is unrealistic - with that minimum requirement, you're best off to just get the arcade hardware and be done with it.

Have Cave actually made statements supporting this alleged disdain for the console market,
No, but they have made it very clear in both their actions, and statements in their financial docs they publish that they are all about the aracdes.

Perhaps just semantic wrangling on my part, but that sounds like indifference, not elitism - consoles just aren't relevant to their business.

Much more importantly, Penis Man sounds awfully like some form of superhero. I'm not certain what his powers should be, though.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 1:42 am

roker wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote:Yes it is. I win. Bye bye.
1. you have a faggot user name

2. you're a faggot

3. you have a faggot av

4. I win by default

(awaits childish response because arguing things in logical manners eludes an elitist all knowing prick like yourself, which I can expect in a few days after you think of something "clever")

5. I'm the farthest thing from pleasant

I guess asking you out on a romantic date is out of the question?

I do think expecting arcade perfection as the default standard is unrealistic

I have little time to play games. I don't think being critical of them is too much to ask.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:41 pm

Zeether · Post by **Zeether** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:16 am

So this means casual gamers won't have access to great games like Mushihimesama Futari, Pink Sweets, Ketsui, and ESPGaluda II.

Fuck you, Cave. FUCK. YOU.

EOJ · Post by **EOJ** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 2:36 am

ZeetherKID77 wrote:So this means casual gamers won't have access to great games like Mushihimesama Futari, Pink Sweets, Ketsui, and ESPGaluda II.

Add Muchi Muchi Pork to that list. Death Lolita is also likely to remain PCB-only, unless some console deal is struck again. If by some weird chance it's on new hi-res hardware, the chances of a port go up 10 fold.

Fuck you, Cave. FUCK. YOU.

Come on now. Do you live in Japan? If not, Cave never gave a shit about you.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:01 am

Okay, what it means here is I would need more money to buy PCBs.

But currently, I can't even find the money for the Wii... So I guess I would have to sell the PCBs I currently got in order to get the new ones, just like what an acrade is doing.

Well, I guess there is not many people is rich enough to buy PCBs like console games. So that's the way to go.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 3:41 am

Fuck You, Nintendo, for not marking arcade games! FUCK YOU!

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 4:11 am

your ALL faggots you ever think about THAT

roker · Post by **roker** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:01 am

Dandy J wrote:your ALL faggots you ever think about THAT

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 10:37 am

Dandy J wrote:your ALL faggots you ever think about THAT

I think about it all the time. What do you think I masturbate to every night?

Skyline · Post by **Skyline** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 12:48 pm

Cave games make me touch myself

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:52 pm

Skyline wrote:
Cave games make me touch myself

Actually, that gives a whole new meaning to your sig 「シューティングラブ。」
("Shooting Love").

Acid King · Post by **Acid King** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 10:37 am

ZeetherKID77 wrote:So this means casual gamers won't have access to great games like Mushihimesama Futari, Pink Sweets, Ketsui, and ESPGaluda II.

Fuck you, Cave. FUCK. YOU.

I don't know a casual gamer that would play those games seriously, let a lone think about making a 50+ dollar purchase of them, even if they were given solid gold copies by big titted chicks who could only communicate via blowjob.

The reason they don't port is because there is no financial incentive for them to port because "casual gamers" aren't going to buy a game in a genre that's become so refined only existing fans of the genre are acclimated enough to survive 5 minutes of their first play. Aside from that, as others have said, I'm sure Cave would be more than happy to license the games to other companies for ports but because the sales of the games that have been ported have been so low, few publishers want to take the time to port something that doesn't have a guaranteed return.

gamingjustin · Post by **gamingjustin** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:51 pm

Cave's latest game is titled Death Lolita-- makes me puke in disgust. Really, Cave doesn't need to stoop to this level. There are plenty of crap 2d fighters and shoot-em-ups that feature boobs/little girls.

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:56 pm

If I won the lottery I would pay Arika a guaranteed lump for the conversions. Then I would take things to a whole new level.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sun Jul 22, 2007 11:45 pm

gamingjustin wrote:Cave's latest game is titled Death Lolita--

That's still a working title, and only reported by one Mixi blog.