Future STGT Guidelines (STGT '08 Rule Changes?)

Post by **Shatterhand** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 6:16 pm

I agree with ayuh...

if we are going to keep the "3 best scores count for the team overall", we should give a prize for the best score that does not count for the team overall.

This way we still make sure the "low tier" players do their best....

That's just an idea...

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 8:03 pm

Shatterhand wrote: This way we still make sure the "low tier" players do their best....

I think a sense of shame should work best. Like... if people can't put in a solid effort (doesn't have to be a great or even top 3 team score) maybe don't sign up and water down the teams. So there can be actual team competition.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 10:20 pm

I like some of those ideas. Be aware that the Red Lantern prize isn't exactly very good. Last time was the N64 Star Soldier. I know there's one or two that may like that game, but it would still be somewhat difficult to snipe individual ranking's lowest score every scoring week and not get caught.

The prize would hopefully not be worth the effort to scout and pre-plan scoring manipulation over a 10 week period. I'd be surprised if somebody really went through the tediousness of arranging that outcome. And if two people have the same idea...well...we'll know why there's a tournament entry of 100 points, huh.

I like shame. Shame is funny. Shame is welcome upon the Red Lantern

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:22 pm

Hey let's mock all the low tier players once the competition is over.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Jun 13, 2007 11:26 pm

Star Soldier 64 is underrated.

shoe-sama wrote:Hey let's mock all the low tier players once the competition is over.

Agreed. And give them all prizes consisting of one animated gif of my choosing.

Post by **nZero** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:09 am

Whether I'm playing or not is going to have a lot more to do with a simple formula involving "how much free time I have" over "how much I hate this game".

Rob wrote:Star Soldier 64 is underrated.

Sarcasm aside, it does have one of my favorite caravan modes.

Pirate1019 · Post by **Pirate1019** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:17 am

I think that everybody needs to provide their own motivation to keep playing. Sure people can offer prizes but if you aren't willing to put out the time just because you're not on top then don't sign up at all.

shoe-sama · Post by **shoe-sama** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:43 am

Sound like me lol.

Half of the time I get bored and stop playing a shmup after I've almost had a 1cc or something.

ayuh · Post by **ayuh** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:16 pm

DJ Incompetent wrote:
The prize would hopefully not be worth the effort to scout and pre-plan scoring manipulation over a 10 week period.

I meant, if it came down to the last week, and I was 3rd to last, what's to stop me from submitting a crap score and screwing up my team?

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:34 pm

ayuh wrote:I meant, if it came down to the last week, and I was 3rd to last, what's to stop me from submitting a crap score and screwing up my team?

The difference being, that if you're on a team with 6+ members and you submit the lowest score of your team, only the top three scores from your team count towards the points calculation.

Therefore, the only people you screw up by submitting a low score, just to get a cheap prize, is yourself.

Speaking of the Red Lantern, I reckon it should be hideously awful, so monumentally crap that no one in their right mind would want to screw themselves over just to "win" it. That would provide some incentive for all players, even the lower placed ones, to do well.

Post by **Shatterhand** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 6:24 pm

I'm reading last year's tournament topic... that was so cool, I am really looking forward to this year's competition... hope we can have as much fun as we did last year

Danny · Post by **Danny** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:32 pm

I think the only prize there should be is the prize of being the best team in the trouney, but hey I am proberbly an minoraty on that one...

Davey · Post by **Davey** » Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:13 pm

I agree that anybody who's not self-motivated enough to try probably shouldn't be in the tournament in the first place. After all, this thing is A) voluntary and B) a competition.

Icarus wrote:
ayuh wrote:I meant, if it came down to the last week, and I was 3rd to last, what's to stop me from submitting a crap score and screwing up my team?
The difference being, that if you're on a team with 6+ members and you submit the lowest score of your team, only the top three scores from your team count towards the points calculation.

That logic doesn't work if there's only two people on your team submitting scores. Hypothetical example, of course.

Icarus wrote:Speaking of the Red Lantern, I reckon it should be hideously awful, so monumentally crap that no one in their right mind would want to screw themselves over just to "win" it.

Like this?

ayuh · Post by **ayuh** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:09 pm

I'm just playing devil's advocate

I don't plan on actually doing any of this, I don't want to give you guys the wrong idea~

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:40 pm

can we get autofire 1 back

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 3:20 pm

COMPLETE!!!

Thank you all for contributing.

If there's anything else regarding the base rules you feel we need to discuss and it wasn't covered here already, by all means, share your thoughts. If you feel one of the topics already discussed wasn't explored or argued correctly, go ahead and state your case.

However, please don't go into week themes, as you'll probably have to type your suggestions again later; wait until that thread is introduced in a few weeks.

As reference, everything we've ever talked about is on the first page. So if somebody starts an essay fight during the tournament, hopefully somebody can just point to the discussion on this thread to stop drama from asploding.