The end of Taito shmup ports (thanks to Square-enix)

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The end of Taito shmup ports (thanks to Square-enix)

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Just found this article, I haven't seen it on any gaming website yet:

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20070 ... 07-jij-biz

It says basically that Square-enix is unhappy with their subsidiary company Taito after Taito posted a huge loss in the first half of the fiscal year. So, they will end Taito's expansion in the amusement business, shut down unprofitable software releases/development, and focus on a few bigger (=more profitable) projects. Shmup ports will likely be a thing of the past. Thanks Squeenix. :?
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How about that, I never knew S-E controlled Taito at this point, I wonder when that happened.
More disapointing news to say the least. Keep it coming twe...
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Maybe tripleP wasn't too off in his prediction of shmups dying in '07 o_O At least as far as consoles are concerned. Hopefully Arika isn't totally done with Cave, and is only giving up on Ketsui in particular.
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Arvandor wrote:Maybe tripleP wasn't too off in his prediction of shmups dying in '07 o_O At least as far as consoles are concerned. Hopefully Arika isn't totally done with Cave, and is only giving up on Ketsui in particular.

Psssh! There will be new shmups coming out on the DC all the way into 2010. :lol:
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Yeah, even if they are only doujin/homebrew now that GD-ROM production is being officially stomped ;P

Also, I meant quadruple P. PsikyoPshmupPshooterP. Forgot about the one on the end -_^

Not much to be done if they weren't making money, and while it is a pity to lose Taito... Worse things could have happened shmup-wise.
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Arvandor wrote:Not much to be done if they weren't making money, and while it is a pity to lose Taito... Worse things could have happened shmup-wise.
No kidding. Of course I am annoyed with Square (getting really tired of big companies almost pointlessly buying out folks like Taito and Hudson only to seemingly stifle or simply let them continue to stagnate). But besides old ports/collections, what have they put out in the last 6 years shmup-wise since Raycrisis? Taito hasn't done much to keep itself thriving.

Of course one also wonders what if anything Square did in the way of positive management to wake them out of their sleep either.

Anyways, thank goodness for the folks who started GRev.
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to those cock-smokes at Square-Enix: get of your asses and make an original game for once. We don't need another port of FF1&2. Unless it's a sequel to Einhander or Vagrant Story, eat a dick!
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Dylan1CC wrote: But besides old ports/collections, what have they put out in the last 6 years shmup-wise since Raycrisis? Taito hasn't done much to keep itself thriving.
Taito shut down all their arcade development studios in the late 90's to focus on other stuff (Zuntata were most likely very pissed off)

And of course it all seems to have backfired leading to the buy-out by Square-Enix.
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^^^

Exactly, they gave themselves their very own little "series termination" and shot themselves in the foot.
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scrilla4rella wrote:to those cock-smokes at Square-Enix: get of your asses and make an original game for once. We don't need another port of FF1&2. Unless it's a sequel to Einhander or Vagrant Story, eat a dick!

Awww... you can never get enough ports of FF1 and 2.

I mean, with each port of FF1 it gets even shittier!! We gotta see how low they can go!!

And FF2 is the black sheep of the series. So they gotta show that one off ya know?
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I know that the news seems to be about software development, but one of the things that I thought of was the Type-X system. Do you suppose that this means that the platform will be discontinued?

In a way, I'm glad that Taito released those "memorial" packs for those that missed the original games, but on the other hand (a la Dylan1CC), I wonder what they would've come up with if they decided to instead go back to the drawing board. Maybe that was even part of their plan; Provide a 'refresher' course, and then unveil what's to come.

(I also didn't know that Taito was now a subsidiary of Square Enix, but then, I also realized recently that Zuntata were developers also. :D)
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icepick wrote: (I also didn't know that Taito was now a subsidiary of Square Enix, but then, I also realized recently that Zuntata were developers also. :D)
Zuntata arnt game developers, they are just Taito's 'house band', and did the music for all their arcade titles.
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No, they are developers of aural transcendency. ;)
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that's a shame. i did hear rumblings that square/taito were gonna develop their own console at one point :shock: but everything comes back to commercial viability... so now we can add taito to the list of devs who don't make/publish shooters.
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Re: The end of Taito shmup ports (thanks to Square-enix)

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twe wrote: It says basically that Square-enix is unhappy with their subsidiary company Taito after Taito posted a huge loss in the first half of the fiscal year. So, they will end Taito's expansion in the amusement business, shut down unprofitable software releases/development, and focus on a few bigger (=more profitable) projects. Shmup ports will likely be a thing of the past. Thanks Squeenix. :?
For the last 6 months I suspected the above as Taito basically stopped cold turkey with their shooter releases. As much as everyone bitched about filtering and quality control, I'm sure most on this board appreciated the steady stream of Taito shooter releases we were getting for the last couple years.
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Like Taito was planning a shmup ever again.....
Unfortunatly this might also mean less retro packs will be released which could feature older shmups though.
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At least we all got taito legends 2, come on guys metal black g darius darius gaiden raystorm all on 1 disc! for that money saving pack I'm truly grateful.
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D wrote:Like Taito was planning a shmup ever again.....
Have to agree here, it's not like they were just about to publish galuda2 or pink sweets.

Maybe this will force cave to go back to akira and get them to port the galuda sequel.
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So... this pretty much means the end for the Darius and Rayforce series? :?
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A little offtopic rant, but anyway:
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In the 16bit era I was a fan of Squaresoft and Enix. (esspecially the team Quintet) I really liked their RPGs and action adventure games. I also was satisfied with many PS1 games by Square (and yeah I like FF7). But since Squaresoft and Enix fusioned the company were going downhill for me. The releases were becoming more and more soul less. SquareEnix is now just a big publisher like EA. They are way too concerned about their market shares. Does it hurt so bad to, just a little bit, think about your customers, the gamers?

I don't care for any Final Fantasy or whatever game SquareEnix will release in future. Hironobu Sakaguchi, the actual former of Squaresoft, and many other people who worked hard aren't working there anymore. Just some huge business company, like many others. And that's why I hate our global market, companies which are run by a couple of busnissmen who don't value anything than their market share litterally caring shit about all the employees and fans who actually made the company that big.

I do understand that a company have to make money in order to keep running, but you also are responsible for all people working in your company. If they close studios, people will lose their job. People the company were responsible for. Also stay loyal to your fans and customers. And finally learn to respect video games are art and not "purely" made for comercial success. It is way more satisfying to make a good product, something people will admire. And probably all the money of the mega companies will only be used that the already wealthy investors can accumulate their money.

Fuck our $ driven society. :P
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But they just ported Dino Rex! They were on a roll!

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freddiebamboo wrote:
D wrote:Like Taito was planning a shmup ever again.....
Have to agree here, it's not like they were just about to publish galuda2 or pink sweets.

Maybe this will force cave to go back to akira and get them to port the galuda sequel.
Publishing is nothing. Perhaps a publisher could not even make a loss on a publishing due to contracts. A developer let's his game be published by a publisher. the publisher gets paid for an x amount of copies to be published. so they would still publish those games probably I think......
Didn't even know Taito were about to do that.
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Post by freddiebamboo »

I thought people were saying that cave themselves did the mushi and ibara ports and it was just taito that published them. I can't remember which thread it was in (maybe the one about the mushi graphics), but I could be remebering this wrong however.
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More respect for Akira for caring what's important the most, the game.
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freddiebamboo wrote:I thought people were saying that cave themselves did the mushi and ibara ports and it was just taito that published them. I can't remember which thread it was in (maybe the one about the mushi graphics), but I could be remebering this wrong however.
This is correct but this information was not revealed until many months after Mushi was released. By then the Taito bashing had snowballed. Besides, It's easier to bash Taito than it is the shooter gods Cave themselves. :wink:
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This does not bode well for Zun...last I heard he worked for Taito.
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Re: The end of Taito shmup ports (thanks to Square-enix)

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Fuck. :evil: Square-Enix can take Final Fantasy and shove it. For their penance, they need to put out Einhander II.

Taito's Battle Gear series has been outsourced to Nextech (now known as Nex Entertainment) at least since BG3. IIRC they haven't developed a new game on their own recently. I'm about ready to bet the new Chase HQ got cancelled- no one has said a damn thing about it for ages.

I miss Zuntata. At least Yack is with Super Sweep, but what about all the others? I think only a few of them are still with Taito- OGR and Dr. Haggy (Hideki Takahagi) did music for a Zoids arcade game.

Are we going to end up saying goodbye to TypeX2? Hopefully KOF XII is close to being ready. Will Raiden IV be the last shmup to be published by Taito?

Farewell, Taito. *gets out Yamaha keyboard and plays Taps* :cry:
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Fucking ingrates (but hey, that's business). The best games Square ever released were the JJ/3D Worldrunner ones.

Anyway, times may change yet...internet distribution systems are pretty much the only hope now, though.
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NTSC-J wrote:But they just ported Dino Rex! They were on a roll!

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jp wrote:
scrilla4rella wrote:to those cock-smokes at Square-Enix: get of your asses and make an original game for once. We don't need another port of FF1&2. Unless it's a sequel to Einhander or Vagrant Story, eat a dick!

Awww... you can never get enough ports of FF1 and 2.

I mean, with each port of FF1 it gets even shittier!! We gotta see how low they can go!!

And FF2 is the black sheep of the series. So they gotta show that one off ya know?
:lol: Yeah, and we gotta see how many more boy-band characters they can come up with!

When TF did Square-Enix buy out Taito?? And they own Hudson, too?? :? Craziness!

As far as Arika goes, why not have SPS take over some Cave ports? AFIK, they are still around and they did an awesome job with PS1 DoDonPachi.
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